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Re: DxO Optics Pro 9 released
« Reply #30 on: October 31, 2013, 01:04:11 PM »
Here is another one processed with new DXO and the other one ACR. Both resampled to 50%.
Again just std preset in DXO and auto with ACR - some exposure that it wanted to auto.
Not scientific I know but better then nothing.
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Re: DxO Optics Pro 9 released
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Re: DxO Optics Pro 9 released
« Reply #31 on: October 31, 2013, 01:12:58 PM »
Is there any difference between DxO Optics and Viewpoint? I tried Viewpoint (79$) and this is indeed amazing, beats Adobe's new "Upright" hands down, of course an as usual and unfortunate at the loss of the ACR raw workflow.

Optics Pro is a full RAW converter, Viewpoint is only for correction of perspective-related distortions.  The corrections in Viewpoint are available in Optics Pro, but the implementation is different (easier and in some ways more powerful) in Viewpoint.  Apparently, the coding engines are different enough that they can't (won't) incorporate Viewpoint-like tools (particularly the Loupe) in Optics Pro v9, but perhaps v10 - it was decsribed as a 'major undertaking'.

Just kind of stinks that the one version doesn't work for crop and FF... Seems like they could make it so it did!  But they are a profit center, not a charity and I get that! 

The Elite version does work for FF, APS-H and APS-C bodies, the Standard works only for APS-C.  Other than the sensor-specific correction modules, they are exactly the same.
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Re: DxO Optics Pro 9 released
« Reply #32 on: October 31, 2013, 01:30:11 PM »
Here is another one processed with new DXO and the other one ACR. Both resampled to 50%.
Again just std preset in DXO and auto with ACR - some exposure that it wanted to auto.
Not scientific I know but better then nothing.
I think it would be interesting to see 100% crops of the area around the (very tired and cute) baby's ear.  The skin texture, hair (midtone and shadow) detail, & blanket texture and detail would be a good comparison.
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Re: DxO Optics Pro 9 released
« Reply #33 on: October 31, 2013, 01:56:13 PM »
Ok i'll try again.
Here is an original raw, one dxo converted with regular preset and the new noise reduction, and one with ACR auto - some exposure compensation with neat image noise reduction.
Again not perfect I know. Sorry for that.

Maybe I should of did them with no correction only neatimage vs new dxo noise reducer.
Let me know. lol

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Re: DxO Optics Pro 9 released
« Reply #34 on: October 31, 2013, 02:05:59 PM »
Ok i'll try again.
Here is an original raw, one dxo converted with regular preset and the new noise reduction, and one with ACR auto - some exposure compensation with neat image noise reduction.
Again not perfect I know. Sorry for that.

Maybe I should of did them with no correction only neatimage vs new dxo noise reducer.
Let me know. lol

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Interesting comparison - thanks.  I'll see if I can post some tonight, too.
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Re: DxO Optics Pro 9 released
« Reply #35 on: October 31, 2013, 02:36:26 PM »
NP. Im not really sure what to make of any of them. Not sure which NR I like better. I will say that for some reason I do like the application DXO v 9. Never really liked lightroom  for whatever but I am enjoying the trial, even if it does take longer to do things.
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Re: DxO Optics Pro 9 released
« Reply #36 on: October 31, 2013, 03:39:38 PM »
Finally got round to installing it. Did a very quick look so far, comparing:
1: Output image with normal NR
2: Output image with Prime
3: #1 ran through Neat image at 50% luminance reduction

1 is obviously noisier, with 2 and 3 looking very similar, so I was thinking, is Prime really worth 2m23s processing time compared to 9s with normal process? As I looked further, there really wasn't anything of note in detail retention or excessive smoothing. However there was a slight benefit to Prime, in that I saw less local bursts of colour noise. These are rather large scale and I guess missed by normal NR, but Prime is able to deal with it. Also colour retention in darker areas seemed better with Prime, were other NR would start killing real colour as if it were noise. If I have time later I could do some crops to demonstrate the above.

Since I'm already a DxO user I'll upgrade to keep things going. But I wouldn't rate this as a game changer if you already use something else. Maybe I'll change my mind after more testing, but I doubt it.
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Re: DxO Optics Pro 9 released
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Re: DxO Optics Pro 9 released
« Reply #37 on: October 31, 2013, 03:47:27 PM »
Finally got round to installing it. Did a very quick look so far, comparing:
1: Output image with normal NR
2: Output image with Prime
3: #1 ran through Neat image at 50% luminance reduction

1 is obviously noisier, with 2 and 3 looking very similar, so I was thinking, is Prime really worth 2m23s processing time compared to 9s with normal process? As I looked further, there really wasn't anything of note in detail retention or excessive smoothing. However there was a slight benefit to Prime, in that I saw less local bursts of colour noise. These are rather large scale and I guess missed by normal NR, but Prime is able to deal with it. Also colour retention in darker areas seemed better with Prime, were other NR would start killing real colour as if it were noise. If I have time later I could do some crops to demonstrate the above.

Since I'm already a DxO user I'll upgrade to keep things going. But I wouldn't rate this as a game changer if you already use something else. Maybe I'll change my mind after more testing, but I doubt it.
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Re: DxO Optics Pro 9 released
« Reply #38 on: November 01, 2013, 12:46:11 PM »
Is there any difference between DxO Optics and Viewpoint? I tried Viewpoint (79$) and this is indeed amazing, beats Adobe's new "Upright" hands down, of course an as usual and unfortunate at the loss of the ACR raw workflow.

Optics Pro is a full RAW converter, Viewpoint is only for correction of perspective-related distortions.  The corrections in Viewpoint are available in Optics Pro, but the implementation is different (easier and in some ways more powerful) in Viewpoint.  Apparently, the coding engines are different enough that they can't (won't) incorporate Viewpoint-like tools (particularly the Loupe) in Optics Pro v9, but perhaps v10 - it was decsribed as a 'major undertaking'.

Just kind of stinks that the one version doesn't work for crop and FF... Seems like they could make it so it did!  But they are a profit center, not a charity and I get that! 

The Elite version does work for FF, APS-H and APS-C bodies, the Standard works only for APS-C.  Other than the sensor-specific correction modules, they are exactly the same.

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The Elite version does work for FF, APS-H and APS-C bodies, the Standard works only for APS-C.  Other than the sensor-specific correction modules, they are exactly the same.

Well, you're certainly right about that!  One version does handle all!  I like it quite a bit so far.  Not having a crop camera anymore, I'll be opting for the Elite version.  Thanks for the original post mentioning it!   :)
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Re: DxO Optics Pro 9 released
« Reply #39 on: November 01, 2013, 12:55:43 PM »
It was Christmas photo time at my house last night so still no time to play with v9 for the CR forum, but I can report 2 things:

1. The new Portrait preset is pretty amazing in terms of getting you very close to ideal settings in one click
2. DON'T try PRIME on ISO 100 photos!  I thought DxO was going to have a heart attack as it spent 3:34 processing one photo!  Most of my PRIME shots have processed in less than 30s, but my "experiment" at ISO 100 was a hilarious failure.  Yes, I had to try...
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Re: DxO Optics Pro 9 released
« Reply #40 on: November 01, 2013, 01:01:39 PM »
It was Christmas photo time at my house last night so still no time to play with v9 for the CR forum, but I can report 2 things:

1. The new Portrait preset is pretty amazing in terms of getting you very close to ideal settings in one click
2. DON'T try PRIME on ISO 100 photos!  I thought DxO was going to have a heart attack as it spent 3:34 processing one photo!  Most of my PRIME shots have processed in less than 30s, but my "experiment" at ISO 100 was a hilarious failure.  Yes, I had to try...
I think the presets are pretty amazing too!  Almost wonder if they're too good!  Don't want to take all the fun out of processing! lol!

I was going to try an ISO 100 image as well but hadn't had an opportunity yet, perhaps I'll pass!  ha ha!
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Re: DxO Optics Pro 9 released
« Reply #41 on: November 01, 2013, 02:01:58 PM »
The new Portrait preset is pretty amazing in terms of getting you very close to ideal settings in one click

But is the ideal look still the ideal look if everybody who can click once is able to get it :-) ?

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« Reply #42 on: November 01, 2013, 02:40:20 PM »
    Also, some random DxO tips:

    • If you have more than 2 cores/processors, change the Preferences to match - it sets it to 2 by default
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    I don't see anything in the preferences for setting the number of cores, just the cache size and GPU acceleration? I like optics pro but would like it to work faster. That is something I like about DPP, it just pops open and is good for quick sorting and deleting.

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Re: DxO Optics Pro 9 released
« Reply #43 on: November 01, 2013, 02:43:25 PM »
Anyone using this new version after applying preset/doing your thing....do you notice color fringing around the edges at all?
By edges I mean like around a person with a bright sky. It seems to be messing up for me, on more then one photo.
I read on their forum that it is clipping shadows by default...could that be what im seeing?
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Re: DxO Optics Pro 9 released
« Reply #44 on: November 01, 2013, 02:46:25 PM »
The new Portrait preset is pretty amazing in terms of getting you very close to ideal settings in one click

But is the ideal look still the ideal look if everybody who can click once is able to get it :-) ?
Good point, and probably not in terms of style, but in terms of portrait basics like desaturating reds, softening skin imperfections while sharpening eyelashes and such that you probably want to with any portrait, it works great.  It's a great start and from there, you can tweak to your heart's content to make it your own :)

    Also, some random DxO tips:

    • If you have more than 2 cores/processors, change the Preferences to match - it sets it to 2 by default
I don't see anything in the preferences for setting the number of cores, just the cache size and GPU acceleration? I like optics pro but would like it to work faster. That is something I like about DPP, it just pops open and is good for quick sorting and deleting.
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It's under Preferences>Advanced and there should be a slider to adjust the number of cores/processors, but DxO cautions:
"DxO Optics Pro uses all of your computer’s core processors to process one or several images. However, if you increase the number of images you want to process, make sure that you have enough RAM available so that you can take full advantage of your processors, rather than risking being slowed down because of the rate of data exchange between the RAM and the hard drive."[/list]
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