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Re: Which setup would you have?
« Reply #30 on: October 29, 2013, 10:16:47 AM »
As I said for anything indoors, anything at night or even heavy overcast, if you want to stop action you really should have a 2.8 lens if shooting with a 6D...this is both for being able to have high enough shutter speed to stop action as well as to have autofocus (with center point alone on AV mode).  With my 6D and the 70-200 2.8 I can get pictures in these situations.  With my 100-400 I simply can not even at iso's >12000 which aren't ideal.  To be honest even with a 2.8 lens sometimes it's not possible at night games. Kids fields aren't always that well lit. 

That being said I can get great pictures with a 2ti and the 100-400 in the middle of the day
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Re: Which setup would you have?
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Re: Which setup would you have?
« Reply #31 on: October 29, 2013, 04:29:37 PM »
I think the problem with a  high iso  capable camera is that people use the high iso in lieu of lighting correcting....  exposing correctly.   I'm occasionally guilty of this myself

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Re: Which setup would you have?
« Reply #32 on: October 29, 2013, 05:28:03 PM »
I think the problem with a  high iso  capable camera is that people use the high iso in lieu of lighting correcting....  exposing correctly.   I'm occasionally guilty of this myself

I don't get it if you expose the image what ever way you can using iso/aperture/time it should not matter as long as your image comes out the way the original photographer intended.  Each of us have different views but its the original author who needs to make price with what he produces no?

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Re: Which setup would you have?
« Reply #33 on: October 29, 2013, 05:37:39 PM »
I agree that high iso can sometimes be seen as an excuse not to use supplementary lighting.

High ISO cannot on it's own add catchlights, modelling, increase contrast.


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Re: Which setup would you have?
« Reply #34 on: October 30, 2013, 01:24:43 AM »
I think the problem with a  high iso  capable camera is that people use the high iso in lieu of lighting correcting....  exposing correctly.   I'm occasionally guilty of this myself

I don't get it if you expose the image what ever way you can using iso/aperture/time it should not matter as long as your image comes out the way the original photographer intended.  Each of us have different views but its the original author who needs to make price with what he produces no?

In some places that have mixed lighting or really ugly lighting it won't matter how long you expose or how high the ISO - it's still ugly light! In order to create good light you'll likely need to add light via flash etc. to get a more even light or to create separation between subject and background (backlight or rim light).

However the high ISO gives you more flexibility when exposing for the ambient light and when using flash (more power).

An example is a portrait in a dimly lit restaurant; you'd want to use a higher ISO to be able to stop down a bit and get a relatively short shutter speed. Then accentuate with flash to finish the job lighting your subject. This way you get independent control of background and subject. 
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Re: Which setup would you have?
« Reply #35 on: October 30, 2013, 08:30:21 AM »
I think the problem with a  high iso  capable camera is that people use the high iso in lieu of lighting correcting....  exposing correctly.   I'm occasionally guilty of this myself

I don't get it if you expose the image what ever way you can using iso/aperture/time it should not matter as long as your image comes out the way the original photographer intended.  Each of us have different views but its the original author who needs to make price with what he produces no?

In some places that have mixed lighting or really ugly lighting it won't matter how long you expose or how high the ISO - it's still ugly light! In order to create good light you'll likely need to add light via flash etc. to get a more even light or to create separation between subject and background (backlight or rim light).

However the high ISO gives you more flexibility when exposing for the ambient light and when using flash (more power).

An example is a portrait in a dimly lit restaurant; you'd want to use a higher ISO to be able to stop down a bit and get a relatively short shutter speed. Then accentuate with flash to finish the job lighting your subject. This way you get independent control of background and subject.

I guess the example I had in my head was the grainy overly contrast black and whites that some people like Jared polin do alot of they think its perfect, and rightly so they think its perfect, but most of us may think its crap.

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Re: Which setup would you have?
« Reply #36 on: October 30, 2013, 09:02:16 AM »
Hmm Flash is helpful for basketball games I guess but for outdoor soccer most of the action is going to be too far away.  Fast lens and high iso are your friend.  I guess some people have extremely powerful flashes but my guess is that some refs and participants might object. 
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Re: Which setup would you have?
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Re: Which setup would you have?
« Reply #37 on: October 30, 2013, 10:28:47 AM »
I think the problem with a  high iso  capable camera is that people use the high iso in lieu of lighting correcting....  exposing correctly.   I'm occasionally guilty of this myself

Jd....I think I understand what you're saying....

I have shot at poor light sporting events where the action is stopped, and I continue to shoot manual at 1/1000 and ISO 3200, even though the subjects are moving slow or not moving much....they are exposed correctly, but the image quality would be better if I quickly switched to 1/500 and ISO 1600....or maybe 1/250 and ISO 800

 I probably should use my custom settings more to do this.
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Re: Which setup would you have?
« Reply #38 on: October 30, 2013, 11:55:09 PM »
I think the problem with a  high iso  capable camera is that people use the high iso in lieu of lighting correcting....  exposing correctly.   I'm occasionally guilty of this myself

Jd....I think I understand what you're saying....

I have shot at poor light sporting events where the action is stopped, and I continue to shoot manual at 1/1000 and ISO 3200, even though the subjects are moving slow or not moving much....they are exposed correctly, but the image quality would be better if I quickly switched to 1/500 and ISO 1600....or maybe 1/250 and ISO 800

 I probably should use my custom settings more to do this.

Hey Northstar, thanks for all of your help! The tips you gave on editing and cropping are very helpful!

Right now, I can't get the high end 70-200 simply because I don't have the money. I'll use the 70-300 for friday's match and hopefully I can get some good pictures.

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« Reply #39 on: October 31, 2013, 07:27:07 AM »
I think the problem with a  high iso  capable camera is that people use the high iso in lieu of lighting correcting....  exposing correctly.   I'm occasionally guilty of this myself

Jd....I think I understand what you're saying....

I have shot at poor light sporting events where the action is stopped, and I continue to shoot manual at 1/1000 and ISO 3200, even though the subjects are moving slow or not moving much....they are exposed correctly, but the image quality would be better if I quickly switched to 1/500 and ISO 1600....or maybe 1/250 and ISO 800

 I probably should use my custom settings more to do this.

Hey Northstar, thanks for all of your help! The tips you gave on editing and cropping are very helpful!

Right now, I can't get the high end 70-200 simply because I don't have the money. I'll use the 70-300 for friday's match and hopefully I can get some good pictures.

Did you buy it new from a place where you can return it if you don't like it.
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Re: Which setup would you have?
« Reply #40 on: October 31, 2013, 06:22:09 PM »
Hmm Flash is helpful for basketball games I guess but for outdoor soccer most of the action is going to be too far away.  Fast lens and high iso are your friend.  I guess some people have extremely powerful flashes but my guess is that some refs and participants might object.

I agree, if you use a better beamer or something, you're going to blind the players. 

High ISO capability in low light is extremely necessary.  It's also necessary in very bright daylight if you are using f/9 and want 1/2500 of a second. 

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« Reply #41 on: October 31, 2013, 08:46:33 PM »
Hmm Flash is helpful for basketball games I guess but for outdoor soccer most of the action is going to be too far away.  Fast lens and high iso are your friend.  I guess some people have extremely powerful flashes but my guess is that some refs and participants might object.

I agree, if you use a better beamer or something, you're going to blind the players. 

High ISO capability in low light is extremely necessary.  It's also necessary in very bright daylight if you are using f/9 and want 1/2500 of a second.

I have the yongnuo 622's and the IR beam works well for night time shots, but it doesn't work with AI servo... which is a shame... because that would be nice to have it.
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« Reply #42 on: October 31, 2013, 11:41:36 PM »
Hmm Flash is helpful for basketball games I guess but for outdoor soccer most of the action is going to be too far away.  Fast lens and high iso are your friend.  I guess some people have extremely powerful flashes but my guess is that some refs and participants might object.

I agree, if you use a better beamer or something, you're going to blind the players. 

High ISO capability in low light is extremely necessary.  It's also necessary in very bright daylight if you are using f/9 and want 1/2500 of a second.

I have the yongnuo 622's and the IR beam works well for night time shots, but it doesn't work with AI servo... which is a shame... because that would be nice to have it.

You're speaking of IR triggered off camera flash, or on camera flash?  How would flash work with AI servo anyway?  I tried a Yongnuo 560 and sent it back.  I admit I don't know much about them, but I know I need E-TTL...

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« Reply #43 on: November 01, 2013, 01:16:11 AM »
I think the problem with a  high iso  capable camera is that people use the high iso in lieu of lighting correcting....  exposing correctly.   I'm occasionally guilty of this myself

Jd....I think I understand what you're saying....

I have shot at poor light sporting events where the action is stopped, and I continue to shoot manual at 1/1000 and ISO 3200, even though the subjects are moving slow or not moving much....they are exposed correctly, but the image quality would be better if I quickly switched to 1/500 and ISO 1600....or maybe 1/250 and ISO 800

 I probably should use my custom settings more to do this.

Hey Northstar, thanks for all of your help! The tips you gave on editing and cropping are very helpful!

Right now, I can't get the high end 70-200 simply because I don't have the money. I'll use the 70-300 for friday's match and hopefully I can get some good pictures.

Did you buy it new from a place where you can return it if you don't like it.
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« Reply #44 on: November 01, 2013, 09:10:24 AM »
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I have the yongnuo 622's and the IR beam works well for night time shots, but it doesn't work with AI servo... which is a shame... because that would be nice to have it.

You're speaking of IR triggered off camera flash, or on camera flash?  How would flash work with AI servo anyway?  I tried a Yongnuo 560 and sent it back.  I admit I don't know much about them, but I know I need E-TTL...
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 the 622's  are transceivers that trigger off camera flash,  but used alone,  they will emit the red lines which aid in auto focus in darkness.   using that alone would not blind the players and would help to lock in on your subject....  but it doesn't work in ai  servo mode. 
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