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Re: Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS Gets its Price
« Reply #15 on: October 25, 2013, 10:56:36 AM »
Am I going to buy this lens....  most probably not... I have a 24-105 already, and am looking at the prime route!

But do i like it...  definitely...  even if it is just Sigma putting pressure on Canon (who are not doing as well as they would like). More lenses Canon, and for less please! :)
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Re: Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS Gets its Price
« Reply #16 on: October 25, 2013, 11:00:57 AM »
Lots of trash talk going on here...

Sigma is facing a few problems with this lens, but so far I think they made the right decisions:

1) The EF 24-105's price is low, when purchased as a kit or as a used kit lens.
2) The EF 24-105's IQ is quite good.

Answers:

1) The street price of this lens will soon be low enough to challenge the Canon.
2) Well, we will see  ;D

One thing to keep in mind:
Neither Sony nor Nikon offer lenses like this, so there might be a bigger market on the dark side.
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Re: Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS Gets its Price
« Reply #17 on: October 25, 2013, 11:04:27 AM »
I am not trashing the lens. In fact if the IQ is greatly better than the Canon version then I believe that I will buy the lens. 

I am pointing out, however, the big elephant in Sigma's room.  They have begun producing some very impressive lenses, and producing them quite rapidly. But their cameras are just so weird that they do not seem likely to gain nearly the market share on the bodies that it seems plausible they may gain gain on the great lenses.  Maybe they need to make a sensor deal with Sony like Nikon did, and produce a line of "straight" cameras if the Foveon thing never fully catches on.  Or make their own.  Maybe a non-bayer approach like Fuji is using.

Just as a point of order, this post has nothing to do with Sigma cameras. This is about their new lens.

As for the new lens I'd be more wary than I would with primes. Given the experiences I've read with the Sigma zooms, the AF may be much less reliable and accurate throughout the range. And you will surely need to have their lens dock to do the calibrating work -- adding more to the cost if you don't already have one.

Personally, I hope they have produced a real winner. I have their 35mm f/1.4 and it's my most used general purpose lenses.

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Re: Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS Gets its Price
« Reply #18 on: October 25, 2013, 11:22:00 AM »
I am not trashing the lens. In fact if the IQ is greatly better than the Canon version then I believe that I will buy the lens. 

I am pointing out, however, the big elephant in Sigma's room.  They have begun producing some very impressive lenses, and producing them quite rapidly. But their cameras are just so weird that they do not seem likely to gain nearly the market share on the bodies that it seems plausible they may gain gain on the great lenses.  Maybe they need to make a sensor deal with Sony like Nikon did, and produce a line of "straight" cameras if the Foveon thing never fully catches on.  Or make their own.  Maybe a non-bayer approach like Fuji is using.

Just as a point of order, this post has nothing to do with Sigma cameras. This is about their new lens.

As for the new lens I'd be more wary than I would with primes. Given the experiences I've read with the Sigma zooms, the AF may be much less reliable and accurate throughout the range. And you will surely need to have their lens dock to do the calibrating work -- adding more to the cost if you don't already have one.

Personally, I hope they have produced a real winner. I have their 35mm f/1.4 and it's my most used general purpose lenses.

Good advice about the zoom...although it seems that Sigma is really making a MUCH better effort these days.
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Re: Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS Gets its Price
« Reply #19 on: October 25, 2013, 11:26:54 AM »
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<p><strong>Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS ready for preorder<br />

</strong>The Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG is scheduled to ship on November 4, 2013 according to B&H Photo. The new Art series lens from Sigma will be priced at $899. This is significantly less than the <a href=\"http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/397662-USA/Canon_0344B002AA_24_105mm_f_4L_IS_USM.html/bi/2466/kbid/3296\" target=\"_blank\">Canon EF 24-105 f/4L IS</a> when purchased new. Although, you can shop around for easy “white box” deals that bring the lens below the Sigma. However, if the Sigma performs better, then the small additional cost may be worth it.</p>
<p><strong><a href=\"http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1009621-REG/sigma_635_101_24_105mm_f4_dg_os.html/bi/2466/kbid/3296\" target=\"_blank\">Preorder the Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS at B&H Photo</a></strong></p>
<p><em>thanks Alessio</em></p>
<p><strong><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">c</span>r</strong></p>



OK...this is funny...4 posts back on the rumor homepage is the canon 24-105mm alert for $639... That is quite a bit cheaper...plus the Canon has IS.  I am a little slow on the uptake sometimes...but the Sigma has no IS...correct?
I owned the Canon and it is a very decent Zoom lens ...especially at $639!...
I am A Sigma Fan...own the new 35mm....but I am wondering if this lens really best the IQ on the Canon "significantly" asit will have to to sell well, right?


The sigma has stabilization. They call it 'Optical Stabilizer' (OS) instead of 'Image Stabilizer' (IS).


Thanks LuCo....somehow (I read three different right-ups and missed that info!!!)....The write ups I have read have DG in the name...but not the OS?   THAT is important to include. I apologize for my oversight. (don't get old...everything gets confusing!!! LOL!)/
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Re: Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS Gets its Price
« Reply #20 on: October 25, 2013, 11:35:29 AM »
Meh...

So far, for me the Canon has the following advantages:

Weather sealing
Filter size
Lens corrections in DPP, which I use to process my photo's.
Weight and size.

All of these make it a great travel lens!

And I have no issues with image quality; it made me sell my 24-70 f/2.8 :)

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Oh, and the Canon has the focus and zoom rings the correct way around (focus ring nearest the front element).
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Re: Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS Gets its Price
« Reply #21 on: October 25, 2013, 02:01:59 PM »
It's a shame that the Sigma hasn't weather sealing! :(  :'(

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Re: Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS Gets its Price
« Reply #22 on: October 25, 2013, 02:31:20 PM »
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<p><strong>Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS ready for preorder<br />

</strong>The Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG is scheduled to ship on November 4, 2013 according to B&H Photo. The new Art series lens from Sigma will be priced at $899. This is significantly less than the <a href=\"http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/397662-USA/Canon_0344B002AA_24_105mm_f_4L_IS_USM.html/bi/2466/kbid/3296\" target=\"_blank\">Canon EF 24-105 f/4L IS</a> when purchased new. Although, you can shop around for easy “white box” deals that bring the lens below the Sigma. However, if the Sigma performs better, then the small additional cost may be worth it.</p>
<p><strong><a href=\"http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1009621-REG/sigma_635_101_24_105mm_f4_dg_os.html/bi/2466/kbid/3296\" target=\"_blank\">Preorder the Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS at B&H Photo</a></strong></p>
<p><em>thanks Alessio</em></p>
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Considering kitted 24-105 can be had at times for $550-600 and split kits for $600-650 and the 24-70 f/4 IS has at times sold for just $170 more it sure better be a good performer if it wants to sell in the Canon world. Nikon land it appears to have some very smooth sailing though.


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Re: Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS Gets its Price
« Reply #23 on: October 25, 2013, 02:33:51 PM »
OK...this is funny...4 posts back on the rumor homepage is the canon 24-105mm alert for $639... That is quite a bit cheaper...plus the Canon has IS.  I am a little slow on the uptake sometimes...but the Sigma has no IS...correct?
I owned the Canon and it is a very decent Zoom lens ...especially at $639!...
I am A Sigma Fan...own the new 35mm....but I am wondering if this lens really best the IQ on the Canon "significantly" asit will have to to sell well, right?


A couple of things.

1) As mentioned previously, Sigma have their own equivalent of Canon's "IS".
2) The 24-105Ls that are selling for $639 are lenses that have been pulled from kits - they're not standalone lenses. Here is the standalone version of the lens priced at $1149 at B&H:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/397662-USA/Canon_0344B002AA_24_105mm_f_4L_IS_USM.html
If you look at this page:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?atclk=Zoom+Focal+Lengths_24-105mm&ci=274&N=4288584247+4261208183
Then the Sigma lens is $250 cheaper.
3) If the MTF graphs are anything to by then yes, this lens will easily surpass the current Canon version.


Does anyone actually pay that $1140 type price for the 24-105L these days though??? I mean I've seen the newer, better 24-70 f/4 IS sell for almost $150 less than that! And paying twice as much as a split kit seems a bit excessive. That price is barely any less than the Tamron 24-70 VC too (and before you say yeah but the Tamron is a big bulky f/2.8 lens that might be too much for some, well.... I believe this f/4 Sigma is the same size and weight!)! I don't think that's a realistic price to point to for the 24-105L these days.

But yeah it should sell well in Nikonland and, if it does a lot better than it's MTF hint at, it might do OK in Canonland perhaps. But currently, if you time your buy, you can get a new 24-70 f/4 IS, which is wayyyy smaller and lighter, for $100-120 more than the Sigma's listed price (although it might drop on street quickly soon?).



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Re: Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS Gets its Price
« Reply #24 on: October 25, 2013, 05:07:16 PM »
Ok so this Sigma does not have weather sealing, and the Canon 24-105 I just bought, does.  That's a relief.  I think I will stick with this Canon, but I do like Sigma lenses a lot.  It's a shame there is no 24-70 f/2 from Sigma, as there was rumored.  The "new price" for the Canon, at over $1000...is ridiculous though.  I bought a "used" white box unit from Ebay and am happy with it.  It was technically unused, or so it appears.  It works great as long as I have time to put it on the camera...

Maybe Sigma could make other lenses nobody makes, like a 16-35 f/2 (full frame), or a 90-160 f/.9-f/1.8...with 5 stops of "OS" !!  Or a full frame foveon sensored camera with Canon EF mount...and 18 bit ADC per channel...I don't ask for much do I?  haha. 

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Re: Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS Gets its Price
« Reply #25 on: October 25, 2013, 06:06:06 PM »
Never been impressed with the Canon 24-105mm L.  It's good but not worthy of 'L' status IMO.  So I'm very interested in this lens.  At an eventual street price of $650 more or less, it will be very interesting.  And great to have a worthy alternative to Canon.
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Re: Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS Gets its Price
« Reply #26 on: October 25, 2013, 07:01:20 PM »
Never been impressed with the Canon 24-105mm L.  It's good but not worthy of 'L' status IMO.  So I'm very interested in this lens.  At an eventual street price of $650 more or less, it will be very interesting.  And great to have a worthy alternative to Canon.

It will take a loooong time before this new lens hits that price! The 35 1.4 hasn't budged much in price since day one. At the most it will drop $100. All recent Sigma lenses seem to be priced around the same $800 ish mark. It's still a lot of money for some, especially considering there is no weather sealing.

I'm relatively happy with the Canon version, bought it 2nd hand. Weather sealing and 77mm filter thread is more useful for me so I'll stick. Interesting prospect though for those looking at buying a general purpose zoom right now. A 6D or 5D3 with this thing would likely be a winning combo!
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Re: Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS Gets its Price
« Reply #27 on: October 25, 2013, 07:30:53 PM »
Never been impressed with the Canon 24-105mm L.  It's good but not worthy of 'L' status IMO.  So I'm very interested in this lens.  At an eventual street price of $650 more or less, it will be very interesting.  And great to have a worthy alternative to Canon.

It won't ever hit $650.  And the Canon is worthy of being an L, most definitely.  Just because it gets more compromised past about 70mm, and has a good bit of barrel distortion at 24mm, is no reason to say it's not worthy of being an L.  It has loads of contrast and nice color...the IS works fairly well.  It's probably heavier than it should be, but it's a decade old design now, or almost.

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« Reply #28 on: October 25, 2013, 07:59:08 PM »
Never been impressed with the Canon 24-105mm L.  It's good but not worthy of 'L' status IMO.  So I'm very interested in this lens.  At an eventual street price of $650 more or less, it will be very interesting.  And great to have a worthy alternative to Canon.

It will take a loooong time before this new lens hits that price! The 35 1.4 hasn't budged much in price since day one. At the most it will drop $100. All recent Sigma lenses seem to be priced around the same $800 ish mark. It's still a lot of money for some, especially considering there is no weather sealing.

I'm relatively happy with the Canon version, bought it 2nd hand. Weather sealing and 77mm filter thread is more useful for me so I'll stick. Interesting prospect though for those looking at buying a general purpose zoom right now. A 6D or 5D3 with this thing would likely be a winning combo!

Well, it will be cheaper than the EF 24-105 at least.  Several hundred dollars is several hundred dollars. 

I find the EF-S 18-200 to be just as good if not better than the 24-105.  Unless you get the uber-expensive and enormous 28-300mm, the 24-105 is the best in Canon's class in the range for a FF lens.

But for crop, the 18-200 rocks.  On my 50D, the images are pretty good.  On a 7D, you can't tell between it and 'L' glass...
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Re: Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS Gets its Price
« Reply #29 on: October 25, 2013, 09:05:08 PM »
$900?  Thanksgiving/Christmas sale season 2014 seems about right to purchase this Sigma :D

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