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Lee Jay

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Re: EOS 7D Mark II Spec List Surfaces [CR1]
« Reply #90 on: October 27, 2013, 08:24:48 PM »
What I said is that the delay just has to be less than the user can perceive....

And what I said is that that is false.  And it is.

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Re: EOS 7D Mark II Spec List Surfaces [CR1]
« Reply #90 on: October 27, 2013, 08:24:48 PM »

Don Haines

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Re: EOS 7D Mark II Spec List Surfaces [CR1]
« Reply #91 on: October 27, 2013, 08:25:25 PM »
How many MP is 4k?

2K video is 1920x1080
4K video is 3840x2160
8K video is 7680x4320

When I first saw 4K video (about 4 years ago) the quality of it just blew me away... even though we had to display it on a 2x2 matrix of monitors... 8K video is even better, you even have sharp detail right up close to the displays... but at this point we seem to be hitting the law of diminishing returns. Personally I would say 4K video is twice as good as 2K, but there is no way I would say 8K video is twice as good as 4K.... 4K seems to be the sweet spot...

Affordable cameras with 4K video? Keep in mind that a GoPro shoots 4K video at 15fps and stores it on a micro-sd card.... I wonder what a pair of Digic5+ can do....

lol... you will know why I laughed in a minute.
yes... the gopro shoots 4K @ 15fps...

But! the 1DX can shoot 5K @ 12fps and its RAW baby!

I'm laughing too.... the GoPro video is HEAVILY! compressed.... I wonder what a pair of Digic5+ can do, particularly to a fast storage card...
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Re: EOS 7D Mark II Spec List Surfaces [CR1]
« Reply #92 on: October 27, 2013, 08:26:17 PM »
What I said is that the delay just has to be less than the user can perceive....

And what I said is that that is false.  And it is.

Can you perceive zero?
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Lee Jay

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Re: EOS 7D Mark II Spec List Surfaces [CR1]
« Reply #93 on: October 27, 2013, 08:29:15 PM »
What I said is that the delay just has to be less than the user can perceive....

And what I said is that that is false.  And it is.

Can you perceive zero?

Your perception and your reaction time are both irrelevant to the topic of tracking.

Don Haines

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Re: EOS 7D Mark II Spec List Surfaces [CR1]
« Reply #94 on: October 27, 2013, 08:37:06 PM »
What I said is that the delay just has to be less than the user can perceive....

And what I said is that that is false.  And it is.

Can you perceive zero?

Your perception and your reaction time are both irrelevant to the topic of tracking.

As someone who deals with tracking satellites from violently pitching and vibrating platforms, let me say that reaction time and perception are everything....
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Re: EOS 7D Mark II Spec List Surfaces [CR1]
« Reply #95 on: October 27, 2013, 08:39:09 PM »
20MP or 24MP sensor with Dual Pixel CMOS AF
- borrowed from 70D

Auto-Focus system similar to the EOS 5D Mark III (61 points), possibly the same as 5D3
- borrowed from 5D3

Single card slot
- LOL

WiFi & GPS
- borrowed from 6D

Innovative video features
- probably filters and effects borrowed from 700D

Price around $2000
- at least

Very good ISO performance
- compared to 7D but same with 70D


typical canon
nothing new
they didn't either bother to put a dual slot in the camera.


hope to prove i'm wrong.. i'd be glad if i'm wrong.
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Re: EOS 7D Mark II Spec List Surfaces [CR1]
« Reply #96 on: October 27, 2013, 08:45:29 PM »
As someone who deals with tracking satellites from violently pitching and vibrating platforms, let me say that reaction time and perception are everything....

You're equating control bandwidth and input latency with human reaction time.  They are totally different.

Human reaction time is around 200ms.  So how is it possible to, say, hit a golf ball when you need to make dozens of adjustments during a swing that lasts only about twice that long?

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Re: EOS 7D Mark II Spec List Surfaces [CR1]
« Reply #96 on: October 27, 2013, 08:45:29 PM »

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Re: EOS 7D Mark II Spec List Surfaces [CR1]
« Reply #97 on: October 27, 2013, 08:54:50 PM »
As someone who deals with tracking satellites from violently pitching and vibrating platforms, let me say that reaction time and perception are everything....

You're equating control bandwidth and input latency with human reaction time.  They are totally different.

Human reaction time is around 200ms.  So how is it possible to, say, hit a golf ball when you need to make dozens of adjustments during a swing that lasts only about twice that long?

But I am smart enough to know when a discussion is pointless.... goodnight!
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Re: EOS 7D Mark II Spec List Surfaces [CR1]
« Reply #98 on: October 27, 2013, 10:08:29 PM »
Price around $2000
- at least

typical canon
nothing new
they didn't either bother to put a dual slot in the camera.

+1

Highly disappointing if this is true. The price tag is too high, given the plunging interests in digital cameras these days.

We'll see how the mythical Nikon D400 stacks up. I am willing to bet it'll have some breathtaking technologies. Let's wait for 2014.

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Re: EOS 7D Mark II Spec List Surfaces [CR1]
« Reply #99 on: October 27, 2013, 10:12:42 PM »
Scepticism aside, I wonder how Canon will be able to place a 7D MkII in its current product line?

+1

With FF cameras now selling for $1700-2000, I just don't see Canon coming up with a 7DII.
There's just no place in the lineup for it.

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Re: EOS 7D Mark II Spec List Surfaces [CR1]
« Reply #100 on: October 27, 2013, 10:14:11 PM »
"Very good ISO performance"

Which just means they cranked up the JPG noise reduction again.   :P
Now when they start talking about real improvements in RAW ISO performance, then I'll listen.

Lee Jay

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Re: EOS 7D Mark II Spec List Surfaces [CR1]
« Reply #101 on: October 27, 2013, 10:26:14 PM »
"Very good ISO performance"

Which just means they cranked up the JPG noise reduction again.   :P
Now when they start talking about real improvements in RAW ISO performance, then I'll listen.

Do you really think a low pixel density mediocre focusing low frame rate 6D competes against a high pixel density very high-end focusing fast frame rate camera?  I sure don't.  I have both kinds of cameras and I generally use them for entirely different situations.  That's why I want both.

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Re: EOS 7D Mark II Spec List Surfaces [CR1]
« Reply #102 on: October 27, 2013, 10:29:14 PM »
Digic V+? Pfft!

What I wonder is why Canon would use a dual DIGIC V+ when the DIGIC VI is already out?  - That said, I don't know how much on an advance on the DIGIC V the DIGIC VI is.
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Re: EOS 7D Mark II Spec List Surfaces [CR1]
« Reply #102 on: October 27, 2013, 10:29:14 PM »

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Re: EOS 7D Mark II Spec List Surfaces [CR1]
« Reply #103 on: October 27, 2013, 11:46:25 PM »
Scepticism aside, I wonder how Canon will be able to place a 7D MkII in its current product line?

+1

With FF cameras now selling for $1700-2000, I just don't see Canon coming up with a 7DII.
There's just no place in the lineup for it.


it has a place....because none of the FF options have anywhere near the fps the 7d2 will have.  the 7d2 is not for me by any means, but, it will be for a lot of people (sports, wildlife, etc, etc)
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Re: EOS 7D Mark II Spec List Surfaces [CR1]
« Reply #104 on: October 28, 2013, 12:04:19 AM »
I hope the single memory card slot is just a prototype version...  I was looking at the new Pentax K3, and it's as good as the 7D MkI with dual card slots.  I am glad Canon is putting GPS into the new 7D.  For photographing wildlife, it's a great to know where as well as when you took the shot of some critter.

As for the rest of the feature, it's a along time coming, and I hope Canon keeps the 7D on par with the 5D and 1D series in future versions.
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Re: EOS 7D Mark II Spec List Surfaces [CR1]
« Reply #104 on: October 28, 2013, 12:04:19 AM »