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Re: Canon 60D v. Nikon D7000
« Reply #60 on: September 20, 2010, 09:28:13 AM »
I'm actually going to take a different tack than others commonly do and suggest that, when you're just starting off, buy cheap lenses as well as a cheap camera body.

if you shell out for expensive Canon lenses, you'll probably end up with 2 lenses in your pocket by the time you're done purchasing.  you may well find out very quickly that these 2 lenses don't cover the range you would actually enjoy shooting at.

if you shell out for third party lenses (Sigma, Tamron, Tokina), you can get probably 3 or 4 lenses in your arsenal, through which you can explore lots of different types of photography and figure out where your real interest lies.

I'm not saying the traditional "lens-first" approach doesn't make sense, I'm just saying theres other ways of approaching gear acquisition.  if you plan on staying APS-C forever, buying nice EF-S glass makes sense, but who knows?  if you go full frame, you'll wish you'd just shelled out for a sigma 10-20 over the canon 10-22 since you'll be replacing it with a 16-35 or 17-40 anyway.

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« Reply #60 on: September 20, 2010, 09:28:13 AM »

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« Reply #61 on: September 20, 2010, 02:27:53 PM »
Amazon has a DSLR Best Seller List.  http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/electronics/3017941?ie=UTF8&ref_=pd_ts_e_nav  that is updated every hour.

When I posted this the Nikon D7000 body was number 1 and the Canon 60D body was number 18 and dropping.

Looks like the market has spoken and it appears that Canon has screwed the pooch ... big time.

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« Reply #62 on: September 20, 2010, 02:49:41 PM »
Ah yes, the same list that has the Rebel XSi in place 4... Sorry, but w/o knowing what the criteria for the list positioning are it's totally worthless. Esp. for cameras that are not available.

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« Reply #63 on: September 20, 2010, 05:50:14 PM »
Ah yes, the same list that has the Rebel XSi in place 4... Sorry, but w/o knowing what the criteria for the list positioning are it's totally worthless. Esp. for cameras that are not available.

"Bestsellers in Digital SLRs
Any Category > Electronics > Camera & Photo > Digital Cameras > Digital SLRs (Updated hourly)"

Do you think that the list represents Amazon DSLR Sales??? More sales the higher their position, i.e. #1 represents more sales than #2.

Sales on Amazon show what people are buying from Amazon. Some people buy because of low price and other people buy because of wanted features. The Rebel XSi is in 4th place because people think that it is a good camera for the price.

Did you ever hear of pre-order for cameras not yet released for sale???

"Price:   $1,199.00 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping. Details
This item has not yet been released.
You may pre-order it now and we will deliver it to you when it arrives.
Ships from and sold by Amazon.com. Gift-wrap available."

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Re: Canon 60D v. Nikon D7000
« Reply #64 on: September 21, 2010, 01:00:17 AM »
I purchased an XSi 2 years ago.  In just 2 years I have seen the T1i and the T2i come out.  Camara bodies evolve quickly - They are just like computers or cell phones.  If you really get into it and get hooked like most of us, you will be buying a new camera body before your 4-5 year time frame.  Likely in 2 or 3 years.  And you will be buying lenses.
 
Since you are new to DSLR like I was, your first DSLR is a learning tool.  I still have my 18-55 kit lens and a 55-250 lens I purchased about 9 months after I bought the XSi.  Over the last two years I have also rented a T2i and a few expensive lenses to give them a try. (24-70 f/2.8L, EF-S 17-55 f/2.8, 24-105 f/4L).   I now know enough about how I take pictures and what I want in a camera where I am comfortable in spending more money.  I plan to buy a 7D shortly.

I take lots of pictures of my kids in indoor sports, in small, poorly lit school gyms.  The 7D has great autofocus and fast fps, and decent ISO performance.  I also figured out I can do better with very fast lenses if I get primes, like the 85 f/1.8.

If you are doing video, I would get the T2i as a kit with the EF-S 18-135 for $1100 and you should use that lense 90% of the time.  Get the EF 50 f/1.8 so you can learn about depth of field and low light photos - it is $100.  If you want a telephoto option, add a 55-250 for $250.  Finally, get Photoshop Elements.  Use all this for a year, have fun and learn.  I promise you will not be dissapointed with this, and a year later you can sell the lot and buy something more taylored to how you take pictures - or keep it and build upon it.

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« Reply #65 on: September 21, 2010, 05:48:27 AM »
It's been a while since Canon has started to create awesome wideangle lenses, at least in a consumer level. Canon excels with 17-55 f2.8 and 15-85 models, which are better than competition.

For the pro market there's no such 14-24 from canon yet which even scratch the nikkor performance, and 24-70 is quite dated, that's obvious though. But if such lenses would appear, if a 14-24 and 24-70 were announced, Canon lens lineup would be wider, better and more complete than nikkon's.

Nevertheless, 15-85 should be quite a dealbreaker for most of the quality minded customers. It's basically the perfect all-around lens for APS-C. Better than nikkon's 16-85.

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« Reply #66 on: September 21, 2010, 10:56:25 AM »
Nevertheless, 15-85 should be quite a dealbreaker for most of the quality minded customers. It's basically the perfect all-around lens for APS-C. Better than nikkon's 16-85.

Except for that variable (= slow) aperture.  A 15-85mm f/4 would be far preferable...sure, it would be more expensive and heavier than the current variable aperture model, but to me it would make more sense - 17-55/2.8 and 15-85/4 for APS-C, analogous to 24-70/2.8 and 24-105/4 for FF.
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« Reply #67 on: September 24, 2010, 01:22:13 AM »
After Pre-ordering a 60D the day it got released, I'm now one of the 60D "haters" after playing with one.

I had a Nikon D90 2 years ago and moved to "sharing" my brothers Canon 7D for much longer than he would like then I was now shopping for one of my own. The 7D was out of my budget so the 60D seemed perfect, but after using one for a few hours then I have to say I'm very disappointed (not to mention sad because I had very high hopes). Here are my PERSONAL opinions and I hope I don't offend anyone with it.

Negatives:
- 9Point autofocus
- New D-Pad instead of the joystick
- Smaller top screen
- Price
- Video Mode is on Control Wheel now (not dedicated button like 7D)
- Video has no manual control (??? 7D was intuitive. We couldn't figure it out w/ 60D since we forgot manual)
- Very plasticky body. Much better than the toy-like rebel feel, but definitely not a tank like the 5D/7D.

Positives:
- Articulating screen. For artistic shots, video should be manually focused whether it has autofocus or not.
- Solid Body. It may not have a "Pro" feel to it, but if this is the new low end then it feels better than the Rebels

So there you go. I really wanted to like the 60D and even have my preorder still in effect (backordered) but most likely I'm cancelling it, selling my lenses and switching back to Nikon. The D7000 isn't my perfect camera either (no articulating screen, 60fps, GPS) but in terms of value it's great so I wont feel horrible about switching... unless Canon comes out with a micro four-thirds first and makes me question whether selling my lenses was a bad move.

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« Reply #68 on: September 24, 2010, 02:39:19 AM »
Here are my PERSONAL opinions and I hope I don't offend anyone with it.
I hope not too...but looking at your list, are those points in comparison to the 7D, or do some of them apply to the D7000?

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- 9Point autofocus
How did this affect your shooting?
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- Price
Compared to the D7000 many people have this same problem.  Compared to the 7D, it stacks up nicely enough.
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- Video Mode is on Control Wheel now (not dedicated button like 7D)
Same as the Rebels.  What's troubling me is the talk about needing to press a button to change a mode...who needed that?
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- Video has no manual control (??? 7D was intuitive. We couldn't figure it out w/ 60D since we forgot manual)
I've read that there is manual control for the video, but I haven't seen it explained in-depth.  I would agree it's a point in favor of the 7D that manual control is intuitive.

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« Reply #69 on: September 24, 2010, 02:50:59 AM »
- Video has no manual control (??? 7D was intuitive. We couldn't figure it out w/ 60D since we forgot manual)
First Menu to the left, First entry. "Manual Exposure". Shouldn't be too hard to find out, even if you don't have a manual...

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« Reply #70 on: September 24, 2010, 03:46:22 AM »
Heck, with a 2 grand budget just buy the cheapest body you can tolerate and spend the rest on lenses. No use wasting a $1700 body with a $300 POS lens.
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« Reply #71 on: September 24, 2010, 03:49:23 AM »
BTW, as of this hour, that Amazon bestseller list shows the T1i/500D on the top spot :P. 6 of the Top 10 are Canons, two of which are 7Ds (1 body only, 1 w/ the 28-135 zoom).
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« Reply #72 on: September 24, 2010, 03:54:24 AM »
Is dat 7Ds the new high-resolution 7D from the split line we've all been waiting for?  Cool.

T1i on top, well, maybe if they're selling at $450 like on eBay (used, as I've been seeing) I could believe it!  It's really more like $699 for the kit, isn't it?

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« Reply #73 on: September 24, 2010, 04:20:18 AM »
7Ds plural of 7D, as in two entries for the 7D, as you would have understood if you read the part in "()". And, no, the T1i/500D costs $678.89 new, $579.99 used.
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« Reply #74 on: September 24, 2010, 09:30:10 AM »
After Pre-ordering a 60D the day it got released, I'm now one of the 60D "haters" after playing with one.

I had a Nikon D90 2 years ago and moved to "sharing" my brothers Canon 7D for much longer than he would like then I was now shopping for one of my own. The 7D was out of my budget so the 60D seemed perfect, but after using one for a few hours then I have to say I'm very disappointed (not to mention sad because I had very high hopes). Here are my PERSONAL opinions and I hope I don't offend anyone with it.

Negatives:
- 9Point autofocus

What do you shoot?  Given the spread of those 9 cross-type sensors I haven't found a need for more.  Unless you're shooting sports or birds in flight it's fine.  If you *are* shoot sports or birds in flight there is *one* choice for a Canon APS-C body and it's called the 7D and has been available forever.

- New D-Pad instead of the joystick

I thought the same, until I used it for about 2 days, and then my body relearned the new layout.  Now I find it's easier than the joystick on other xx/xDs.

- Smaller top screen

That's enough to make you jump brands?  It's big enough to see everything you need if your eye sight is good enough to be using a camera in the first place.  The button placement on the top is also streamlined and lines up with the LCD.  Good move.

- Price

So don't order it the day it comes out... Wait a couple of months for the Thanksgiving/Christmas discount.

- Video Mode is on Control Wheel now (not dedicated button like 7D)

A pain if you're mess with video, but a non-starter if you doing real video work with the camera.

- Video has no manual control (??? 7D was intuitive. We couldn't figure it out w/ 60D since we forgot manual)

You didn't look very hard then, it's all there.  Just like the 7D.

- Very plasticky body. Much better than the toy-like rebel feel, but definitely not a tank like the 5D/7D.

Maybe.. maybe not.  The new grip is better IMHO and the body is well balanced.  I can also tell you it's pretty robust, mine has been abused a few times *already* (I'm mean to my gear LOL)

Positives:
- Articulating screen. For artistic shots, video should be manually focused whether it has autofocus or not.

Video should always be MFed if you aren't shooting your kids birthday ;)  It's also nice it flips around and protects the screen.

- Solid Body. It may not have a "Pro" feel to it, but if this is the new low end then it feels better than the Rebels

The T2i is the new low end (well technically the T1i is).

So there you go. I really wanted to like the 60D and even have my preorder still in effect (backordered) but most likely I'm cancelling it, selling my lenses and switching back to Nikon. The D7000 isn't my perfect camera either (no articulating screen, 60fps, GPS) but in terms of value it's great so I wont feel horrible about switching... unless Canon comes out with a micro four-thirds first and makes me question whether selling my lenses was a bad move.

The D7000 also hasn't been reviewed yet and the IQ in more than a few sample shots looks a bit dodgy.  And Canon won't do m4/3.  Not sure why you would a smaller sensor anyway.  Smaller sensor = more issues with IQ.  How long did you spend with the 60D before deciding you didn't like it.  It sounds like it wasn't very long at all.  Use one for a day or two and (again unless you shoot sports or BIF) and I think 90% of your gripes will become non-issues.

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« Reply #74 on: September 24, 2010, 09:30:10 AM »