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Re: Dynamic range Nikon/Sony vs Canon
« Reply #15 on: November 06, 2013, 10:46:10 AM »

Now consider that 600LII will last several camera bodies. Will Nikon still be leading two or three generations down?

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Re: Dynamic range Nikon/Sony vs Canon
« Reply #15 on: November 06, 2013, 10:46:10 AM »

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Re: Dynamic range Nikon/Sony vs Canon
« Reply #16 on: November 06, 2013, 11:10:44 AM »
A very  one-eyed explanation from Neuros side
this picture and 400mm lenses says something completely different regarding sharpness and CA

As pointed out by another member, the OP is asking about 600mm lenses, not 400mm lenses.  Also, your screenshot shows the Canon 400/2.8 II on the 1DsIII, not the 5DIII which the OP is asking about (and where it the sharpness is 3 P-Mpix higher) .  So either that's carelessness on your part, or you've intentionally added your own bias to that of DxOMark.

Why did you go down to 400mm lenses?  The next step down the line is 500mm.  Oh, wait - I know why you skipped the 500mm lenses...

Neuro, you just made me spit up my coffee.

If this were a dance competition, one might be led to say that Terje got served.
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Re: Dynamic range Nikon/Sony vs Canon
« Reply #17 on: November 06, 2013, 12:23:24 PM »

Now consider that 600LII will last several camera bodies. Will Nikon still be leading two or three generations down?

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Well, the answer might well be yes. Canon's policy of manufacturing their own sensors limits the possibility of frequent tech upgrades. It means that if at any point Canon will have an edge again, it probably won't last long.

However, the great advantages of Sony sensors - at least of this generation - are only such up to ISO 800 - 1600. And on top of that, in the 500-600mm range Canon seems to have an edge. So for the OP's needs and wallet Nikon is not a sensible choice.

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Re: Dynamic range Nikon/Sony vs Canon
« Reply #18 on: November 06, 2013, 12:29:09 PM »
Where is Terje the one post wonder? ... I'm betting that Terje is "he who must not be named" of this forum ;D

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Re: Dynamic range Nikon/Sony vs Canon
« Reply #19 on: November 06, 2013, 12:51:03 PM »
Where is Terje the one post wonder? ... I'm betting that Terje is "he who must not be named" of this forum ;D

If I did take that bet, the only question left would be, "How much do I owe you?"
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Re: Dynamic range Nikon/Sony vs Canon
« Reply #20 on: November 06, 2013, 01:41:04 PM »
If you compare the 6D with the D800 on Sensorgen, at ISO 800 the DR is basically the same, and above that the D800 basically has one stop less DR. The 5D3 is more on the same level as the D800.
Comparing the D4 with the 1Dx the D4 keeps its advantage longer, but things are even by ISO3200.
After looking at these comparisons it's clear that Canon isn't actually dropping the ball on sensor tech, more specifically I think they're doing an excellent job of designing sensors for the way they see people using their cameras.
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Re: Dynamic range Nikon/Sony vs Canon
« Reply #21 on: November 06, 2013, 01:53:07 PM »
Where is Terje the one post wonder? ... I'm betting that Terje is "he who must not be named" of this forum ;D

If I did take that bet, the only question left would be, "How much do I owe you?"
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;D ;D ;D ;D ... but its amazing that people like Terje specifically target a member with their very first post ... I mean do people like Treje think we are that dumb that we don't even know that "------" is same as " -----"?
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Re: Dynamic range Nikon/Sony vs Canon
« Reply #22 on: November 06, 2013, 01:57:14 PM »
That Sony DR won't do me any good since I like to take photos in the dark. Superior selection of lenses (that I can afford)  and great  ergonomics  are more reasons I recommend Canon.   I think they have a superior system.
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Re: Dynamic range Nikon/Sony vs Canon
« Reply #23 on: November 06, 2013, 03:08:56 PM »
Where is Terje the one post wonder? ... I'm betting that Terje is "he who must not be named" of this forum ;D

If I did take that bet, the only question left would be, "How much do I owe you?"
;D ;D ;D
;D ;D ;D ;D ... but its amazing that people like Terje specifically target a member with their very first post ... I mean do people like Treje think we are that dumb that we don't even know that "------" is same as " -----"?
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Re: Dynamic range Nikon/Sony vs Canon
« Reply #24 on: November 06, 2013, 03:38:28 PM »
that´s maybe a stupid question... but then my mother always said there are no stupid questions only stupid answers.

DxO is testing lenses on different camera bodys.
so i guess it´s impossible to get a 25 MP sharpness result form a 22MP camera.  ;)

wouldn´t it be better to test all lenses on a, lets say 180MP medium format sensor?
if a MF sensor makes no sense... maybe a special build sensor that´s the size of a 35mm sensor but with extremly high resolution. 

i only mentioned MF because of the high MP number.. but on second thought, is the spatial resolution of the IQ180 MF sensors higher as on nikons 36 MP FF sensor? have not checked that.

DxO doesn´t test the AF.
so why not using an adapter and attach the lens to a sensor that offers an equal starting point for all lenses?

that would be a real lens test then... not?
it would keep the different cameras out of the equation.

i know that different mounts have different flange distances.
but i mean... DxO is a big testing labor, it´s sure not impossible for them to build such a testing rig?
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Re: Dynamic range Nikon/Sony vs Canon
« Reply #25 on: November 08, 2013, 03:15:29 AM »
Nikon > Canon for DR.

Now consider that 600LII will last several camera bodies. Will Nikon still be leading two or three generations down?
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Re: Dynamic range Nikon/Sony vs Canon
« Reply #26 on: November 08, 2013, 04:58:14 AM »
Hi.

As most of you are aware of Nikon and Sony (I know that Sony manufacture sensors for Nikon) sensors are better when it comes to DR and so on compared to Canon. I have read DXO-tests and many others that verify that. But there seems to be a point at a ISO-value where the difference is not that big. Of course there is an advantage in mp also for the 36mp bodies but the resolution is not what I am thinking of now.

This should bring you to the comparison site of the two lenses and cameras.
http://www.dxomark.com/Lenses/Compare-Camera-Lenses/Compare-lenses/(lens1)/394/(lens2)/1175/(brand1)/Canon/(camera1)/795/(brand2)/Nikkor/(camera2)/792
The Nikon does not seem to produce better images than the Canon despite the higher pixel count. The advantage in DR is also gone at ISO 1600 (at 800 there remains a little advantage). But because of the lower pixel count the EOS 5D has the advantage in FPS (6:4; this means in the same time you get 3 pictures from the EOS 5D, you will only get 2 from the D800).

But I think you would be able to make great pictures with both cameras.

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« Reply #27 on: November 08, 2013, 05:24:30 AM »
Poor Terje, waited years everyday checking CR, wanting to jump in and make a comment that would stun & amaze, then the opportunity presented and he choked at the start, real bummer, and embarrassing, for Terke, sorry, terje.

I notice it was Terje's first ever comment, sort of like it was Morlin's first ever comment, I wonder ?????

I mean, it couldn't be, surely, Morlin is Terje incognito ??, like we used to have "you know who" incognito as the "temple guy", they all seem to have two things in common, Love Nikon DR, Hate everything that has Canon written on it, and aren't keen on Nuero either, Ok, that's 3 things in common.
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Re: Dynamic range Nikon/Sony vs Canon
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Re: Dynamic range Nikon/Sony vs Canon
« Reply #28 on: November 08, 2013, 06:11:27 AM »
Poor Terje, waited years everyday checking CR, wanting to jump in and make a comment that would stun & amaze, then the opportunity presented and he choked at the start, real bummer, and embarrassing, for Terke, sorry, terje.
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Re: Dynamic range Nikon/Sony vs Canon
« Reply #29 on: November 08, 2013, 07:19:53 AM »

I notice it was Terje's first ever comment, sort of like it was Morlin's first ever comment, I wonder ?????

I mean, it couldn't be, surely, Morlin is Terje incognito ??, like we used to have "you know who" incognito as the "temple guy", they all seem to have two things in common, Love Nikon DR, Hate everything that has Canon written on it, and aren't keen on Nuero either, Ok, that's 3 things in common.

It can't be temple guy ... We didn't get to see those horribly under-exposed vomiting inducing images.

But just look at it ... The guy did end up being a legend, though not necessarily the way he wanted to. He was unceremoniously booted out of CR and here we are months later, still talking about him.  :P
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Re: Dynamic range Nikon/Sony vs Canon
« Reply #29 on: November 08, 2013, 07:19:53 AM »