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Re: EOS-1 Announcement Q2 2014? [CR1]
« Reply #60 on: November 02, 2013, 05:51:13 PM »
Really???

Well, the current 200/2 is quite good, not that much room for breathtaking advances & the 800/5.6 is...rather special. Most of the potential target demography would fare better with a 600/4+TC. I.E. likely great products with a nice showroom factor, but not much practical impact.
There is always room for improvement but... but... but... but... but... but... it will always be more expensive than a Nikon solution.

Can I get a 800mm IS II exceeding $20,000? Can I hear a 200mm IS II exceeding $8,000?

Improvements of up to 25% less weight, Power Focus, IS mode 3, optical improvements, USM upgrade, IS upgrade.

I do expect the upgrades to happen by...

2020.

It took Canon 12 years to upgrade their v1 SuperTele IS lenses to v2 SuperTele IS lenses and the 200 & 800 were marketed in 2008.

So the rumors for a 800 and 200 replacement are very much true though a tad premature.
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« Reply #60 on: November 02, 2013, 05:51:13 PM »

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« Reply #61 on: November 02, 2013, 11:13:43 PM »
I have no doubt that Canon will come out or at least announce a new 1D camera next year since they have been releasing them every two to three years since the first 1D.  Those cameras have never been revolutionary, and what I expect is something very similar to the 1DX with more pixels, maybe 21-24mp maybe a bit more.  27mp would give it the same pixel density in a full frame as the 1D Mark 4 has and many who are still using 1D4's would welcome that if it kept up at least 10 fps, but Canon may not be quite there yet. I would think a slower 40 mp camera might not get the 1D badge unless Canon wanted to start making 2 different 1D models again.

As far as a new 800 goes, I wouldn't expect a dramatic weight difference in a newer model. The current 800 already uses most of the technology used in the current MarkII telephotos. It has the same IS and slimmed down lighter casing. They could possibly redesign it without the permanent front element, but other than that there isn't too much else they can do to reduce the weight at this point as far as I can tell.  I think the biggest difference between the current 800 and any mark II version would be the addition of the IS3 mode, the same electronics to share with the current TC's, and a new color paint.

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« Reply #62 on: November 02, 2013, 11:53:40 PM »
Really???

Well, the current 200/2 is quite good, not that much room for breathtaking advances & the 800/5.6 is...rather special. Most of the potential target demography would fare better with a 600/4+TC. I.E. likely great products with a nice showroom factor, but not much practical impact.
There is always room for improvement but... but... but... but... but... but... it will always be more expensive than a Nikon solution.

Can I get a 800mm IS II exceeding $20,000? Can I hear a 200mm IS II exceeding $8,000?

Improvements of up to 25% less weight, Power Focus, IS mode 3, optical improvements, USM upgrade, IS upgrade.

I do expect the upgrades to happen by...

2020.

It took Canon 12 years to upgrade their v1 SuperTele IS lenses to v2 SuperTele IS lenses and the 200 & 800 were marketed in 2008.

So the rumors for a 800 and 200 replacement are very much true though a tad premature.

The 600/4L IS II + 1.4xIII gives 840mm f/5.6 that is better than the 800/5.6L in just about every relevant way.  The same holds true for the 600 II + 2xIII vs. the 800 + 1.4x.  That essentially renders the 800/5.6 superfluous. 

While Canon's 500/4 II and 600/4 II are optically superior to their Nikon counterparts (and much lighter, too), it looks like the opposite will be true for the 800/5.6 matchup.

Given that, I think we'll be seeing an 800/5.6 II sooner instead of later.
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« Reply #63 on: November 03, 2013, 05:41:39 AM »
Really???

Well, the current 200/2 is quite good, not that much room for breathtaking advances & the 800/5.6 is...rather special. Most of the potential target demography would fare better with a 600/4+TC. I.E. likely great products with a nice showroom factor, but not much practical impact.
There is always room for improvement but... but... but... but... but... but... it will always be more expensive than a Nikon solution.

Can I get a 800mm IS II exceeding $20,000? Can I hear a 200mm IS II exceeding $8,000?

Improvements of up to 25% less weight, Power Focus, IS mode 3, optical improvements, USM upgrade, IS upgrade.

I do expect the upgrades to happen by...

2020.

It took Canon 12 years to upgrade their v1 SuperTele IS lenses to v2 SuperTele IS lenses and the 200 & 800 were marketed in 2008.

So the rumors for a 800 and 200 replacement are very much true though a tad premature.

The 600/4L IS II + 1.4xIII gives 840mm f/5.6 that is better than the 800/5.6L in just about every relevant way.  The same holds true for the 600 II + 2xIII vs. the 800 + 1.4x.  That essentially renders the 800/5.6 superfluous. 

While Canon's 500/4 II and 600/4 II are optically superior to their Nikon counterparts (and much lighter, too), it looks like the opposite will be true for the 800/5.6 matchup.

Given that, I think we'll be seeing an 800/5.6 II sooner instead of later.

$5000 difference between the Canon & Nikon 800s. But who knows... I could be wrong.

But then again the 800s of both brands are low volume items and Canon has a lot of other high volume L primes and zooms that needs a v2.

Unless Canon can reduce the 4.5kg 800 to say 3.6kg or lower then count me out. lol
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Re: EOS-1 Announcement Q2 2014? [CR1]
« Reply #64 on: November 03, 2013, 10:52:53 AM »
A $2,000 premium would be $2,000 over the current price of about $6,800? Terrible news if it is true. I am saving up for the new model right now.

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« Reply #65 on: November 03, 2013, 06:10:56 PM »
As an owner of the 1D-X, I'm sorta disappointed with it. Don't get me wrong, I love what it is but disappointed that it should have been more. Many times I wished I had stepped down from the 1-series bodies but I thought that was a bad idea as well. I really love the 1-series bodies.

While bigger photosites are "always" better, that concept must be balanced with resolution. After all, nobody wants one photosite (imagine how noise free it would be! LOL). Of course, then the questions comes "What resolution is enough?" This is where everybody has their own opinion. Maybe it would be better if Canon also made a low light specific camera (a reasonable but respectable resolution) separate from a high resolution focus camera.

I've always felt that Canon's flagship camera should also have the highest resolution and best technology. Don't hate me, but I also want video and was very disappointed that Canon made a 1D-C. Just because a camera has video in no way detracts from its photo capture ability.

Sidenote: Honestly, if the Canon 1D-C was only 4k (at 4096, not TV's 3840) in resolution in both photo and video might make a pretty bad ass camera setup. I would definitely pay $7k for that, not sure if I would pay $15k but it would be tempting (especially if it has 60p and a global shutter). This would also make an awesome low light camera too.

Since most of my work is in a controlled lighting situation, I want a higher resolution. Something around 30 megapixels would have been enough when the 1D-X was released but today I think Canon needs to make a statement against Nikon and produce something around 40.

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« Reply #65 on: November 03, 2013, 06:10:56 PM »