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Re: Tamron Announcement: SP 150-600mm F/5-6.3 VC USD
« Reply #15 on: November 07, 2013, 11:33:38 AM »
For me, the big question is how well autofocus will work, particularly since most Canon's have an F5.6 AF limit.....

All of the 3rd party f/6.3 'spoof' the camera into thinking they're at f/5.6, so AF works fine.  Well, I guess I should say Af works as well as possible, given that most 3rd party lenses aren't known for having good AF performance. 

For me, the optics are the big question.  I know 'world class image quality' is going to fall short of my Canon 600/4L IS II, but how far short?  If the IQ is decent (Tamron did a good job with the 24-70/2.8 VC), the AF doesn't suck, and the lens is priced decently, this will be a big benefit to many telephoto shooters.

I am expecting the optics to pale in comparison to Canon's more recent lenses, particularly the prime lenses.

Given the same vintage, primes beat zooms... you don't have to design for a range of focal length, you optimize for just one length.... and a lack of moving parts to zoom the lens means lighter and (hopefully) more robust.. I would love to see a Canon 400F5.6 for those who want reach and quality at an affordable price and still have a portable lens.

My experience with "longer yet affordable lenses" is:
Sigma 50-500... the worst of a bad breed
Tamron 200-500... almost as bad
Sigma 150-500.... better, but still not sharp
Canon 100-400... better, but lots of copy variation.
Sigma 120-400... best of the zooms, but BARELY ahead of the very outdated Canon 100-400
Canon 400F5.6... beats them all, but it is a 20 year old design with no IS

and interestingly enough, the 70-200 with teleconverter outresolves the works of them.....

All that said, Tamron might surprise me. Anyone remember thier 90mm macro lens from the adapt-all mount system? That was a classic lens that could compete with the best of them... perhaps they can do that again, but I doubt it, particularly on a big lens with no flourite elements...
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Re: Tamron Announcement: SP 150-600mm F/5-6.3 VC USD
« Reply #16 on: November 07, 2013, 11:42:46 AM »
For me, the optics are the big question.  I know 'world class image quality' is going to fall short of my Canon 600/4L IS II, but how far short?  If the IQ is decent (Tamron did a good job with the 24-70/2.8 VC), the AF doesn't suck, and the lens is priced decently, this will be a big benefit to many telephoto shooters.

Isn't that the big question... Will this be Sigma 150-500mm territory, or something better -and if so: how much money?

There also seems to be a problem with third party lenses autofocusing on Canon bodies in particular, the otherwise very good value for money Tamron 70-300mm VC USD gets the thumbs down from Brian Carnathan (http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Tamron-70-300mm-f-4-5.6-Di-VC-Lens-Review.aspx - for those that haven't already read it). I had their 70-200mm f/2.9 Di (not the new VC USD lens), until I traded it in for the Canon 70-200 f/2.8L (non-IS). I am still convinced that the Tamron was slightly sharper wide open across most of the focal length range, when the shot was in focus!

The lens doesn't look like it's aimed at the Canikon 200-400mm f/4 league, so I'm assuming it's another xxx-400mm f/4.5-5.6 lens dressed up as 600mm at the long end. In that case, it'll be a pretty steep downhill curve after 400mm to keep the size/weight reasonable. I think I'd rather wait and see what the EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS USM successor will look like, assuming Canon are planning to release it some time in the next decade!  >:(

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Re: Tamron Announcement: SP 150-600mm F/5-6.3 VC USD
« Reply #17 on: November 07, 2013, 11:59:00 AM »
let's see the price and the first samples. It looks like an inner zoom, isn't it ?

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Re: Tamron Announcement: SP 150-600mm F/5-6.3 VC USD
« Reply #18 on: November 07, 2013, 12:04:21 PM »
I'm sure that we will have a ton of reviewers who base their review on a development announcement.  Why a Development Announcement?  Its likely that they have wind of some competiting products and want potential buyers to wait for a year or more.
 
As far as focal length, almost all lenses fall short of the rounded off focal length number (no one rounds down, only up).  That 95mm filter diameter may be a sign that some corners were cut, it should be over 100mm for a 600mm f/6.3.  I'll wait for actual test reviews to see if it is a issue.

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Re: Tamron Announcement: SP 150-600mm F/5-6.3 VC USD
« Reply #19 on: November 07, 2013, 12:06:52 PM »
For me, the big question is how well autofocus will work, particularly since most Canon's have an F5.6 AF limit.....

All of the 3rd party f/6.3 'spoof' the camera into thinking they're at f/5.6, so AF works fine.  Well, I guess I should say Af works as well as possible, given that most 3rd party lenses aren't known for having good AF performance. 

For me, the optics are the big question.  I know 'world class image quality' is going to fall short of my Canon 600/4L IS II, but how far short?  If the IQ is decent (Tamron did a good job with the 24-70/2.8 VC), the AF doesn't suck, and the lens is priced decently, this will be a big benefit to many telephoto shooters.

I am expecting the optics to pale in comparison to Canon's more recent lenses, particularly the prime lenses.

Given the same vintage, primes beat zooms... you don't have to design for a range of focal length, you optimize for just one length.... and a lack of moving parts to zoom the lens means lighter and (hopefully) more robust.. I would love to see a Canon 400F5.6 for those who want reach and quality at an affordable price and still have a portable lens.

My experience with "longer yet affordable lenses" is:
Sigma 50-500... the worst of a bad breed
Tamron 200-500... almost as bad
Sigma 150-500.... better, but still not sharp
Canon 100-400... better, but lots of copy variation.
Sigma 120-400... best of the zooms, but BARELY ahead of the very outdated Canon 100-400
Canon 400F5.6... beats them all, but it is a 20 year old design with no IS

and interestingly enough, the 70-200 with teleconverter outresolves the works of them.....

All that said, Tamron might surprise me. Anyone remember thier 90mm macro lens from the adapt-all mount system? That was a classic lens that could compete with the best of them... perhaps they can do that again, but I doubt it, particularly on a big lens with no flourite elements...

Your experiences are way out of the choir, since the Bigma is widely considered the best of Sigma affordable telezooms, with the 120-400 being the worst (and not by chance the cheapest). The recent Tamron 70-200/2.8 VC USD also got good reviews.

It's obvious that this lens will not compete with 600mm primes costing 4 or 5 times as much, although I'm sure the web will be full of Captain Obvious who will lament their indignated dissatisfaction about that. If performance is solid and the price doesn't go too far north of 2000 (which is twice the price of the current version), this lens will open up a world of possibilities to many people.

It's likely aimed at competing with brandname 100-400's and will likely trade some IQ with the longer range and lower price.

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Re: Tamron Announcement: SP 150-600mm F/5-6.3 VC USD
« Reply #20 on: November 07, 2013, 12:21:34 PM »
Any guesses on pricing? Their current 200-500 is $950 and thats without VC and their 70-200 2.8 w/ VC is $1500.
Well, the retail price of the 200-500 at launch was $1999; obviously its come way down off that price and its street price is half that. And the Sigma 50-500 with similar apertures is $1700ish retail. So, it's hard to say.

The amount of extra glass compared to the 200-500, and their new warranty/repair policy would lead me to think you're looking at $2500-3000 easy. But, to be competitive with other 3rd party super tele-zooms, it'd have to either be $2000ish, or nearly as sharp as primes.

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Re: Tamron Announcement: SP 150-600mm F/5-6.3 VC USD
« Reply #21 on: November 07, 2013, 12:30:38 PM »
600mm, huh?  I wonder how close it will get to that in real life.

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That is a good point.  My guess will be about 570mm.  I'm interested in seeing the price on this baby.  I don't do a lot of super tele distance shooting, so if this can be had for a reasonable ($2000 dollar) range, I might go for it.  Fortunately for me, I'll probably get a chance to use and review it from Tamron before I have to make a decision.

Agreed. At least right now, I don't really use super-tele all that much, so if this has reasonably good IQ and under $2k, I'll almost certainly be picking up a copy.

After my 70-200 f/2.8 IS v2. And probably the 24-70v2. And Canon doesn't come out with a great 100-400 that isn't too pricey. So...I until I win the lotto or save up after buying the other 2 lenses, I've got plenty of time for this to come out and get reviewed :)
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Re: Tamron Announcement: SP 150-600mm F/5-6.3 VC USD
« Reply #22 on: November 07, 2013, 12:38:57 PM »
 http://www.tamron.com/en/news/2013/1107.html

This 150-600mm looks a very interesting package if it can deliver the goods. It's f/5-6.3, relatively lightweight at 1951g and short at 257.8 mm. Compare that with the 300mm f/2.8 II + 2xTC III at 600mm, which comes in at 2675g and 300mm at f/5.6. If it is sharp, reliable focussing etc it will make a great safari and nature lens. Can't wait to see the MTFs and sample images.
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Re: Tamron Announcement: SP 150-600mm F/5-6.3 VC USD
« Reply #23 on: November 07, 2013, 12:44:44 PM »
My experience with "longer yet affordable lenses" is:
Sigma 50-500... the worst of a bad breed
Tamron 200-500... almost as bad
Sigma 150-500.... better, but still not sharp
Canon 100-400... better, but lots of copy variation.
Sigma 120-400... best of the zooms, but BARELY ahead of the very outdated Canon 100-400
Canon 400F5.6... beats them all, but it is a 20 year old design with no IS

and interestingly enough, the 70-200 with teleconverter outresolves the works of them.....

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Re: Tamron Announcement: SP 150-600mm F/5-6.3 VC USD
« Reply #24 on: November 07, 2013, 12:54:42 PM »
There are several reports, including from Neuro, that the 100-400 is at least on a par with the 70-200 + 2xTC, though he is reviewing that.

Actually, I'm confident that (for my copies, at least) the 100-400L @ 400mm is very slightly better than the 70-200/2.8L IS II + 2xIII in lab-type testing, and the two are not really distinguishable in real-world shots.

What I'm trying to determine now is more of a physical/handling comparison - the 100-400L is a very convenient package in terms of size and operability, and I know the 70-200 II + 2x is les so, but I need to carry the combo around for a few trips to determine how much less, and if I can live with it.  If so, I expect I'll sell the 100-400L.
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« Reply #25 on: November 07, 2013, 12:57:53 PM »
I have been keeping up with this new lens, and see the new model will have V.C. (IS) and a faster, quieter focus motor.  These are the things we have been looking for in the new zooms.  Has anyone have a handle on what the pricing will be like?  I'm thinking it will be more than the old SP 200-500, (under $1000)  but less than $1800.00 hopefully. 

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Re: Tamron Announcement: SP 150-600mm F/5-6.3 VC USD
« Reply #26 on: November 07, 2013, 01:34:24 PM »
IF  I were the designer I'd do a 200-600 F4-5.6 ( I hate the 6.3 and do not need 150mm b/c of my 70-200mm II L that beats anything in the world).

What you think?

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Re: Tamron Announcement: SP 150-600mm F/5-6.3 VC USD
« Reply #27 on: November 07, 2013, 01:54:19 PM »
According to the Polish Canon forum the price is expected to be around $1500.

I wish the focus limiter had a short range option


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Re: Tamron Announcement: SP 150-600mm F/5-6.3 VC USD
« Reply #28 on: November 07, 2013, 02:30:59 PM »
According to the Polish Canon forum the price is expected to be around $1500.

I wish the focus limiter had a short range option

At $1500, it would certainly be in the Sigma 150-500mm class, probably with similar optical performance.

IF  I were the designer I'd do a 200-600 F4-5.6 ( I hate the 6.3 and do not need 150mm b/c of my 70-200mm II L that beats anything in the world).

What you think?

Would you always want to carry your 1.5kg  70-200 f/2.8 as well as 2kg of super-tele zoom?

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Re: Tamron Announcement: SP 150-600mm F/5-6.3 VC USD
« Reply #29 on: November 07, 2013, 02:36:06 PM »
IF  I were the designer I'd do a 200-600 F4-5.6 ( I hate the 6.3 and do not need 150mm b/c of my 70-200mm II L that beats anything in the world).

What you think?

600/5.6 means the same size front element as 300/2.8.  Sigma's new 120-300/2.8 OS is $3,600 and weighs 7.5 lbs.  Are you sure that's what you'd want??
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