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Re: Any reason to choose a 7D over a 70D?
« Reply #30 on: November 15, 2013, 06:37:50 PM »
As a 7d owner and given this camera came out in 2009 as opposed to 2013 I would go with the 70d purely because of the better sensor and Digic 5+ processor in the end its about images the 7d can get very noisey in low light.
Here's a very handy noise comparison chart from The Digital Picture:
http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Comparisons/Canon-EOS-70D-ISO-Noise.aspx
FWIW I would have recommended a pre-owned 7D. They're amazing value right now in a market flooding with 7D bodies in anticipation of the upcoming 7DII.

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Re: Any reason to choose a 7D over a 70D?
« Reply #30 on: November 15, 2013, 06:37:50 PM »

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Re: Any reason to choose a 7D over a 70D?
« Reply #31 on: November 15, 2013, 08:03:24 PM »
Thanks for the replies. She doesn't shoot fast actionall that often and so I have advised her to get the 70D.

Cheers ... J.R.

What sort of "upgrade" is she looking for?  If she just wants better image quality, wouldn't she be better off sticking with her Rebel and buying a good prime or two instead or, if she already has some, moving up to a 6D? In some recent sales I've seen they don't cost much more than a new 70D.

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Re: Any reason to choose a 7D over a 70D?
« Reply #32 on: November 17, 2013, 01:10:25 AM »
One other huge difference that I didn't see mentioned yet:  The 7D has AF Expansion mode and AF spot mode.  The 70D doesn't.  These are the two most useful modes available in Canon's newer AF systems (including the 5D3 and 1DX which also have a 2nd expansion mode).  However, if you only want to use single point or are crazy and want to use zone or all-point modes then this won't matter.  Otherwise, it is just one more thing that does not make the 70D a 7D replacement.
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Re: Any reason to choose a 7D over a 70D?
« Reply #33 on: November 17, 2013, 02:15:42 PM »
I've considered selling my 7D as well to acquire the 70D as a replacement primarily due to the "phase detection" technology in the 70D primarily for video shooting.  This allows less "hunting" in video mode and keeps your subject focused the majority of the time.

That being said, the SD only option is a downside for the 70D for the FPS as many have stated, it's less rugged (i.e. build quality) and the 70D is only tested up to 100,000 shutter clicks whereas the 7D has been tested for at 150,000 clicks. 
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Re: Any reason to choose a 7D over a 70D?
« Reply #34 on: November 17, 2013, 02:23:14 PM »
Here's a very handy noise comparison chart from The Digital Picture:
http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Comparisons/Canon-EOS-70D-ISO-Noise.aspx


Thanks for that link PWP.  It's interesting to see how little progress has been made in crop sensor performance since the T2i came out.  It confirms my own comparison between my T2i and my 7D.  Judging from my photos, they seem to have the same sensor.  And judging from the information at the link you posted, the 70D is extremely similar.  I'm very glad I have a 5D3. :)
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Re: Any reason to choose a 7D over a 70D?
« Reply #35 on: November 18, 2013, 05:33:01 AM »
Either one is a good choice as an upgrade. If I was in that situation I would go for the 7D and the cost saving which I would then put towards getting some nice glass. Because, it does matter what's in front of the sensor.  ;D
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Re: Any reason to choose a 7D over a 70D?
« Reply #36 on: November 18, 2013, 10:57:56 AM »
Stills - 7D
Video - 70D

I bought a 7D couple of weeks ago. Tried both the 7D and the 70D and as long as you don't need any of the new 70D only features, the 7D is still the superior camera. Better ergonomics, build quality and same IQ. Trying to select an AF point without joystick is not fun. At least not when speed is important.

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Re: Any reason to choose a 7D over a 70D?
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Re: Any reason to choose a 7D over a 70D?
« Reply #37 on: November 18, 2013, 12:19:56 PM »
Stills - 7D
Video - 70D

I bought a 7D couple of weeks ago. Tried both the 7D and the 70D and as long as you don't need any of the new 70D only features, the 7D is still the superior camera. Better ergonomics, build quality and same IQ. Trying to select an AF point without joystick is not fun. At least not when speed is important.

I  don't use the joystick.  I use the wheels...  maybe I should mix it up and give it a try.
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Re: Any reason to choose a 7D over a 70D?
« Reply #38 on: November 18, 2013, 08:45:40 PM »
Stills - 7D
Video - 70D

I bought a 7D couple of weeks ago. Tried both the 7D and the 70D and as long as you don't need any of the new 70D only features, the 7D is still the superior camera. Better ergonomics, build quality and same IQ. Trying to select an AF point without joystick is not fun. At least not when speed is important.

I  don't use the joystick.  I use the wheels...  maybe I should mix it up and give it a try.

There's a custom function (don't ask me where!) that essentially does away with the m-fn button when selecting AF points so as soon as you half press the shutter the AF point can be moved. When I first discovered this it put a huge smile on my face!
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Re: Any reason to choose a 7D over a 70D?
« Reply #39 on: November 18, 2013, 09:34:44 PM »
I have held and test fired the 70D and I own a 7D.

The 7D feels better in my hands (larger than the 70D) but the 70D feels like a well thought out camera. The buffer on the 7D is still superior to the 70D and can handle almost half over again the RAW images (15 vs 25) and about 3 times the JPEG images (40 vs 110) before the buffer is full.

The 7D is also a full metal body where the 70D is a composite body. The viewfinder on the 7D feels brighter and fills your eye more. (100% coverage) The shutter on the 7D is more suited as a "pro" level camera.

I would imagine that either camera would do awesome in real world shooting but I still think personally that the 7D is the best bang for the buck if stills is your thing. If you are into video then the stakes change a little. The 70D seems more video optimized. Personally, I am not even sure how to take videos on my 7 and I don't care to learn. I use it for shooting only. :)

Even though the 7D is getting up there in age, it very much holds its own because it pioneered a lot of the technology that Canon is now using in their newest cameras. The 7D's lifespan and usefulness is far from over.

What makes the 7D even more attractive is that you can get refurb bodies from Adorama for under a grand and they come with a 1 year warranty.

http://www.adorama.com/ICA7DR.html

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Re: Any reason to choose a 7D over a 70D?
« Reply #40 on: November 18, 2013, 10:29:15 PM »
As a 7d owner and given this camera came out in 2009 as opposed to 2013 I would go with the 70d purely because of the better sensor and Digic 5+ processor in the end its about images the 7d can get very noisey in low light.
Here's a very handy noise comparison chart from The Digital Picture:
http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Comparisons/Canon-EOS-70D-ISO-Noise.aspx
FWIW I would have recommended a pre-owned 7D. They're amazing value right now in a market flooding with 7D bodies in anticipation of the upcoming 7DII.

-pw

Looks like the high ISO noise levels between the two are pretty close, at least close enough to not use that as a deciding factor in choosing one over the other. (based on this comparison between the two) Unfortunately, until CMOS (or CCD) technology changes, ALL digital sensors will have noise. What makes the biggest difference at this point is the size of the sensor and even more importantly, the size of each sensor pixel.

Honestly? I shoot all the way up to ISO 3200 without fear with my 7D. "Noise" doesn't stop me from getting the images I want. I know if a particular photo calls for some NR, I use either DPP or Lightroom 4. They both do a great job of getting rid of image noise. But again for the most part, I don't use NR much at all.

The photo I uploaded was shot with my 7D, 1/8000s, f8, ISO 2000 without flash using my 70-300L IS USM lens. No noise reduction, simply a RAW file processed using DPP. Nothing at all wrong with this photo, measured against any camera. Even in the dark areas (shadows) the color is smooth without a bunch of "hot pixels".

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« Last Edit: November 18, 2013, 10:47:27 PM by Richard8971 »
Canon 5D2, 7Dv2.03, 50D, 40D, T1i, XTi...XT (& lenses, flahses), various powershots... You get the idea... I have a problem. :)

Wife shoots Nikon, D7000, D7100, (lenses and flashes)... we constantly tease each other that our cameras are better than each others!

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Re: Any reason to choose a 7D over a 70D?
« Reply #41 on: November 18, 2013, 10:32:21 PM »
the 70d has really nice features, i like everything about it except it is to small with big teles, your fingers pinch between the grip and the lens. with normal lenses it is fine. i would wait for the 7dii if you are using big lenses if not get the 70d

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Re: Any reason to choose a 7D over a 70D?
« Reply #42 on: November 18, 2013, 10:42:03 PM »
ps. the 70d only has 1 c mode on the dial i think the 7d has 3 like the 40d which i like

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Re: Any reason to choose a 7D over a 70D?
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Re: Any reason to choose a 7D over a 70D?
« Reply #43 on: November 19, 2013, 03:53:18 AM »
I'm not sure about your friend but I like buying used cameras. As long as you know what to look for your friend may get a nicer but older camera. My camera bodies are worth $400 (two 20D's) It's either that or a brand new 1100D for me. I've owned both kits and the two older but better cameras suit me quite well. I'm not to sure about the 7D but I was given the opportunity to shoot a 70D and they are a great bit of kit. Obviously your choice but make sure to have a look at the used option.
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Re: Any reason to choose a 7D over a 70D?
« Reply #44 on: November 19, 2013, 04:16:59 AM »
Hi Richard.
Very nice picture, I only have one question, is it stuffed?  ;D
I spent ages sat at the dining area at the Desert Botanical Garden in Phoenix with my 7D trying to get a picture of humming birds, I got tails and beaks and wingtips, but never the whole bird, not even enough to composite one from all the bits! :o
Darn those little blighters are quick, by the time I brought the camera to bear and focused, there was nothing there!
Anything with lesser AF was not going to catch up with those the speed they flit around.


Looks like the high ISO noise levels between the two are pretty close, at least close enough to not use that as a deciding factor in choosing one over the other. (based on this comparison between the two) Unfortunately, until CMOS (or CCD) technology changes, ALL digital sensors will have noise. What makes the biggest difference at this point is the size of the sensor and even more importantly, the size of each sensor pixel.

Honestly? I shoot all the way up to ISO 3200 without fear with my 7D. "Noise" doesn't stop me from getting the images I want. I know if a particular photo calls for some NR, I use either DPP or Lightroom 4. They both do a great job of getting rid of image noise. But again for the most part, I don't use NR much at all.

The photo I uploaded was shot with my 7D, 1/8000s, f8, ISO 2000 without flash using my 70-300L IS USM lens. No noise reduction, simply a RAW file processed using DPP. Nothing at all wrong with this photo, measured against any camera. Even in the dark areas (shadows) the color is smooth without a bunch of "hot pixels".

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Hi CandC.
What you show there is among the reasons when I moved from the 300D I went to a 40D, the 400D or whatever x00D it was, were just too small in the hand, held one (x00 range) in store for a few minutes and could already feel my fingers starting to cramp, huge hands require a larger body for comfort. Of course the upgrade in specs was nice to have too. ::)

Cheers Graham.

the 70d has really nice features, i like everything about it except it is to small with big teles, your fingers pinch between the grip and the lens. with normal lenses it is fine. i would wait for the 7dii if you are using big lenses if not get the 70d
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Re: Any reason to choose a 7D over a 70D?
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