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Re: My gears for 14 Hrs at Grand Canyon
« Reply #15 on: November 10, 2013, 03:07:07 PM »
Mid-day photography at the Grand Canyon is going to be tough, but you will still have fun. The real light show happens at sunrise and sunset when the canyon walls and ridges glow.

I've found that my most commonly used focal lengths (on a full-frame body) at the Grand Canyon are 24mm, 45mm, and 90mm. It's funny that they match up with Canon's series of TS-e lenses. I also shoot up to 300mm when creating telephoto landscapes there.

Be careful when using a circular polarizer there, especially if you're using a wide-angle lens. I most likely wouldn't bother using a polarizer if there aren't any clouds and I'm including sky in the shot.

I hope you have an opportunity to come back and appreciate the canyon during some sweet light!

Thank you, Sir, Dear Mr. Adam Schallau.
Thanks  for your Recommendations. Yes, Sir , I will use Graduated ND.  Filter too, and Try to compare with Cir-PL at the same location.
Yes, Sir, I will be back to South Rim, Bryce and Zion National Park  and Stay over night there for 2-3 Nights , Just my self alone---Ha, Ha, Ha---My wife  do not want to see  Million years old Rock/ Stone, But She want to spend some money at the Slotted  Machine in Las Vegas.
Have a great Day , Sir.
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Re: My gears for 14 Hrs at Grand Canyon
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Re: My gears for 14 Hrs at Grand Canyon
« Reply #16 on: November 10, 2013, 04:29:25 PM »
Not sure what your other plans are, but you may be interested in Valley of Fire, about an hour NE of Vegas.  If your wife is too busy gambling, maybe you can get away to see that for a few hours.  ;)

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Re: My gears for 14 Hrs at Grand Canyon
« Reply #17 on: November 10, 2013, 04:30:54 PM »
I agree and disagree with all.

Lighten your load.  But, since you don't want to change lenses, AND, in a group, you may have to be ready to shoot fast, take two cameras with your two favorite lenses.  That way, you are ready for anything.  The filters are a great idea.

I will be headed on a similar trip over Thanksgiving, so I will be interested in your insights.

Have fun

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Re: My gears for 14 Hrs at Grand Canyon
« Reply #18 on: November 10, 2013, 04:51:39 PM »
I would if I ever going back there:
1. 5D III + 14mm or 16-35 II
2. 5D III + 70-200 f2.8 IS II + 2x TC

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Re: My gears for 14 Hrs at Grand Canyon
« Reply #19 on: November 10, 2013, 06:53:10 PM »
Here are my gears for 14 Hrs. at Grand Canyon and 5 days and 3 nights  at Las Vegas.
Either you're Mr Muscles or you have a couple of Sherpas to carry your camera gear.
It's nice to be ready for anything, but like the other posters I'd say lighten up....a LOT.

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Re: My gears for 14 Hrs at Grand Canyon
« Reply #20 on: November 10, 2013, 08:01:47 PM »
Thank you, Sir, Dear Mr. Adam Schallau.
Thanks  for your Recommendations. Yes, Sir , I will use Graduated ND.  Filter too, and Try to compare with Cir-PL at the same location.
Yes, Sir, I will be back to South Rim, Bryce and Zion National Park  and Stay over night there for 2-3 Nights , Just my self alone---Ha, Ha, Ha---My wife  do not want to see  Million years old Rock/ Stone, But She want to spend some money at the Slotted  Machine in Las Vegas.
Have a great Day , Sir.
Surapon


You're very welcome. I often see people with way too much gear at the canyon, and on my workshops. I believe you would do just fine with your 24-70/2.8L and the 70-200/2.8L, plus perhaps a teleconverter for longer shots. Lighten your load and enjoy the canyon.

Don't worry too much about lens changes. Yes, there is more dust in the air than what most people experience in humid environments, but it's not nearly the issue that some people make it out to be. I've lived in Colorado, New Mexico, and Arizona...dust is just a fact of life, but it doesn't keep us from changing lenses and creating our work. Shoot, enjoy, and clone out a few dust spots when you get home. :D
Our job is to record, each in his own way, this world of light and shadow and time that will never come again exactly as it is today. - Edward Abbey

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Re: My gears for 14 Hrs at Grand Canyon
« Reply #21 on: November 10, 2013, 08:20:38 PM »
Hi Mr Surapon.
Was your intention to carry all that on the tour coach to the rim, or you were going to take it all to Vegas and carry a selection to the rim?
I think yo have heard enough lighten the load so I will just say I really can recommend at least an overnight stay, see sunset then sunrise the next day. We have some friends in Phoenix that we met through the Triumph car club we run on the Isle of Wight southern England.
They took us there for exactly that duration, I didn't realise until much later that he knew when to go from being a pro photographer at one point.
I will say that as the sun sets the walls take on beautiful hues, only to be totally trumped by the morning colours as the sun slowly climbs gently irradiating the stacks until the hard shadows appear.
I will go back there somewhen with a body and lens combination better than a 300D and 18-55 kit lens.

Have a great trip and don't forget that the best DR is from a MKI eyeball, i.e. don't spend the whole time looking through the lens..

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Re: My gears for 14 Hrs at Grand Canyon
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Re: My gears for 14 Hrs at Grand Canyon
« Reply #22 on: November 10, 2013, 10:39:43 PM »
All you need is a full frame camera, 24-70, circular polarizer and a tripod.
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Re: My gears for 14 Hrs at Grand Canyon
« Reply #23 on: November 10, 2013, 11:57:08 PM »
Just noticed something... you add red stripes to your hoods and bigger red stripes to your L lenses?

Yes, Sir, Dear Mr. chilledXpress.
I add The Automotive Red Strip( Reflective Strip) and My own symbols on all my Lens hoods, to match to each lens = very easy to get the right lens hood for the right Lens in the dark of the night.
Yes, You have a great / Sharp eyes, Sir.
Surapon.
PS. On my 5D MK II, I add the View Finder Extender on View Finder too, For my Eye Glass , And  that Great View Finder Extender is great for not let my Oily Nose  wet LCD Panel.
Nice to talk to you, Sir.
Surapon

Strange about the red stripes.  I do the exact opposite.  I put high quality black gaffer tape over all of my L Lenses to cover the red stripes.  I want my L lenses to appear generic and look like cheaper EF lenses.  Plus, the tape protects the lens from scuffs.

I also agree with everyone about the weight and amount of gear.  Every trip I go on I usually use 10% of what I take if I try to pack heavy.  I've learned that realistically I use a 16-35 and 24-105 or 24-70.  That's about it.  If I know I will be in super tight quaters, I might use my 15mm FishEye.  So I can fit two lenses into one LowePro lens bag with the 3rd lens on my camera.  Done.  My generic daypack still has room for misc batteries, water bottle, lunch and other stuff.  It's not all about the camera stuff!

What are you going to do with all this stuff when you stop to go to the bathroom or eat lunch?  Consider the logistics.  I don't like to leave tons of expensive gear in my hotel room either.
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Re: My gears for 14 Hrs at Grand Canyon
« Reply #24 on: November 11, 2013, 12:40:04 AM »
Camera. Mid zoom lens. Tripod. Filters. That is it.

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Re: My gears for 14 Hrs at Grand Canyon
« Reply #25 on: November 11, 2013, 02:19:52 AM »
Just noticed something... you add red stripes to your hoods and bigger red stripes to your L lenses?

Yes, Sir, Dear Mr. chilledXpress.
I add The Automotive Red Strip( Reflective Strip) and My own symbols on all my Lens hoods, to match to each lens = very easy to get the right lens hood for the right Lens in the dark of the night.
Yes, You have a great / Sharp eyes, Sir.
Surapon.
PS. On my 5D MK II, I add the View Finder Extender on View Finder too, For my Eye Glass , And  that Great View Finder Extender is great for not let my Oily Nose  wet LCD Panel.
Nice to talk to you, Sir.
Surapon

Strange about the red stripes.  I do the exact opposite.  I put high quality black gaffer tape over all of my L Lenses to cover the red stripes.  I want my L lenses to appear generic and look like cheaper EF lenses.  Plus, the tape protects the lens from scuffs.

I also agree with everyone about the weight and amount of gear.  Every trip I go on I usually use 10% of what I take if I try to pack heavy.  I've learned that realistically I use a 16-35 and 24-105 or 24-70.  That's about it.  If I know I will be in super tight quaters, I might use my 15mm FishEye.  So I can fit two lenses into one LowePro lens bag with the 3rd lens on my camera.  Done.  My generic daypack still has room for misc batteries, water bottle, lunch and other stuff.  It's not all about the camera stuff!

What are you going to do with all this stuff when you stop to go to the bathroom or eat lunch?  Consider the logistics.  I don't like to leave tons of expensive gear in my hotel room either.

Even stranger... The use of hoods "in the dark of the night".

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Re: My gears for 14 Hrs at Grand Canyon
« Reply #26 on: November 11, 2013, 07:05:24 AM »
We spent 3 days at the South Rim, staying at a cabin in the park in June 2012.  Also two days at at the North Rim.  Awesome experience!  I took a 7D and 15-85 and 100-400 and used the 15-85 95% of the time.  I wished I had a UWA many times however.  I created quite a few panoramas to compensate for lack of a UWA.  I used a grad ND filter quite a bit as well as polarizer.  Be careful using a polarizer with wider angle shots, as the sky can be unevenly saturated.  Also my tripod was invaluable and I used a monopod for a walking stick/stabilizer on longer hikes.

If I were going today I would take my 6D, 24-70 2.8 II, 70-200 2.8 II, 2x extender and 14 2.8 along with the same accessories.

I hope you enjoy it as much as I did!
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Re: My gears for 14 Hrs at Grand Canyon
« Reply #27 on: November 11, 2013, 07:25:12 AM »
I would take my 14mm/2,8 , my 24-70mm/4, my 70-200mm/2,8 and perhaps an Extender. That will fit into my sling bag. A tripod is not a bad idea. I always had it with me in that area, but I shot a lot handheld. 
If I go in June again, I will take the 100mm/2,8 Macro IS in addition because of the wonderful little flowers.

Enjoy your visit.
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Re: My gears for 14 Hrs at Grand Canyon
« Reply #28 on: November 11, 2013, 07:42:20 AM »
Dear Friends :
Here are my gears for 14 Hrs. at Grand Canyon and 5 days and 3 nights  at Las Vegas. (snip)
Surapon

Mr. Surapon-

You are bringing way too much stuff.

On my first time trip to the Grand Canyon, I brought my 7D, 16-35II, 70-200 II and a 1.4x. I also took a van tour (south rim) that went through Sedona (and lunch) on the way out and through Native American territory on the way back. About 14 hours in all.

Everything was well planned. They hit the high points on the trip. There was some interesting scenery that was passed on by due to scheduling.

The 70-200, while a nice lens, got very little use. I have one or two photos of the Colorado at the bottom of the canyon, which was visible at one of the planned stops. That's about it for that lens. It was neat to look through but not very well suited for capturing the panoramic views.

On the other hand, the 16-35 was on camera 97% of the time, which is ~24mm to ~56mm full frame.

I noticed that the wider end of the 16-35 changed the perspective too much for my tastes- it made stuff appear further away, but it worked quite well for many shots in Sedona.

I took a couple of 5-7 shot single row panoramas with about 50% ovelap on a whim, and regret not doing that a couple more times. The distances are so large that a simple handheld attempt worked for me. The end result more closely matches what I saw vs using something like a 14mm on a FF camera.

I do not own a 24-70, but on a FF camera, that would probably do the trick. I would also bring a 16-35 and maybe a 100mm macro- certainly some sort of macro lens. The handheld pano attempt worked well last time and I do not recall too many opportunities where I would have had the time or the space (physical space at the vantage point or space due to other people) for tripod use. Monopod, sure. The ability to have two camera bodies might be nice.

I didn't know about CPL filters at the time, and wish I had one then.

If you do not live at 7,000' above sea level, it makes a difference, and should be considered if you plan on trucking all that stuff with. Also check the weather forecasts and bring a jacket. Several warm climate natives on my trip bought jackets at the gift shop.

I'll echo previous comments about bringing well into 5 figures of camera gear, much less leaving it in a hotel room.

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Re: My gears for 14 Hrs at Grand Canyon
« Reply #29 on: November 11, 2013, 11:12:26 AM »
I think I speak for everyone when I summarize and say that you should simply take much less.  Take no more than 3 or 4 lenses max and make them count.  Don't duplicate focal lengths if possible.  Take one body and a few accessories that you will likely use, like a CPL or TC perhaps.  Take a flash, batteries, etc and keep the weight down.  Try to get everything comfortably in a medium sized daypack.  Don't advertise that you are carrying expensive camera equipment.  Take a jacket and take plenty of water.  Enjoy your trip and don't just make it about the photography.

For pete's sake, your thread topic says you're only there at the Grand Canyon for 14 hrs?  How much photography can you do in 14 hrs and still enjoy the trip itself?  When you get to Vegas, I doubt you'll use more than a couple lenses.  Maybe a 24-70, 24-105 or 16-35 and then maybe a fast prime?  And keep in mind that the casinos don't allow photography in some areas.  (Or at least that used to be the case.)  And you might have to present your backpack for security searches as well.

Remember, there are millions of professional stock photography pictures on the web and in many photo books that you can view of all the major attractions.  Taking a ton of boring pictures of buildings and fountains might be disappointing later when you realize that other better pictures already exist you can simply view later.  Stick to taking interesting pictures that are memorable for you and your wife.
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