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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II in 2014 [CR2]
« Reply #30 on: November 12, 2013, 06:03:35 PM »
Please tell me that "Pro" doesn't mean a built-in non-removable grip.  That would be a deal-killer for sure.

Non removable grip does not matter to me if the camera was a mini-1Dx.  I want similar controls to 1Dx, same AF, and IQ.  Of course the S/N will limit the ISO, perhaps to 2 stops less than 1Dx.

But I am afraid for $2,000 the camera will not have the quality (build and IQ) as 1Dx

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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II in 2014 [CR2]
« Reply #30 on: November 12, 2013, 06:03:35 PM »

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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II in 2014 [CR2]
« Reply #31 on: November 12, 2013, 06:05:26 PM »

What bothers me about this rumor though is that I don't believe this: "...a new EOS-1 body."


New 1D could be high MP body

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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II in 2014 [CR2]
« Reply #32 on: November 12, 2013, 06:22:25 PM »
I went from a 7D to a 5D 3, and mostly do sport stuff.  Very occasionally I miss the higher FPS of the 7D.  What I miss most is the buffer depth to write raw + jpeg whilst using the highest FPS of the 5D 3.  But the IQ of the 5D 3 surpasses the 7D by a significant margin - and at higher ISOs by a very significant margin.  I'd go back to a 7D in heartbeat if it married the FPS of the 7D - or slightly higher with the IQ of the 5D 3, and as a bonus, the AF of the 1DX.   Not bothered about a gripped body, not bothered about articulated screens.  Not bothered about dual card slots either to be honest - not unless it's dual CF.

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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II in 2014 [CR2]
« Reply #33 on: November 12, 2013, 06:24:11 PM »
I guess my one single question is: New 180nm (or smaller) CMOS fab process for a sensor that uses modern pixels and on-die parallel ADC?

modern pixels.....? it´s called photosites.

and yes i too hope they produce the sensor in a new fab process.
not that the actuall canon sensors are bad.
but i guess a switch to 180nm could bring some IQ gain... and more important.. it should shut down the whiners for 3 hours.

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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II in 2014 [CR2]
« Reply #34 on: November 12, 2013, 06:26:06 PM »
7D fps/features + 5D3 IQ = 1D-X so I doubt you'll get that in the 7D2  :P

Will be very happy to be wrong if Canon do it to try and leap frog the competition with some crazy new sensor but I agree with other posters the track record says no
Hurry up Canon and do something with your sensors! :P

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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II in 2014 [CR2]
« Reply #35 on: November 12, 2013, 06:38:26 PM »
i have enough confidence in it being a great camera that i would preorder it now without even knowing the specs

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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II in 2014 [CR2]
« Reply #36 on: November 12, 2013, 06:47:46 PM »
i have enough confidence in it being a great camera that i would preorder it now without even knowing the specs

I'm not quite sure I agree with the above, but.... I'm very excited about the potential for a 7d2.  I shoot a lot of sports, and own both the 5d3 and 7d, and tend to pick up the 7d and 300/f4 for field sports, with the 5d3 and 70-200/2.8 as the second setup.  The 8fps vs. 6fps difference is noticeable.  I've been yearning for the 7d2, assuming better high ISO performance, and slight improvements in AF, IQ etc all in an APS-C format.     
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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II in 2014 [CR2]
« Reply #36 on: November 12, 2013, 06:47:46 PM »

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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II in 2014 [CR2]
« Reply #37 on: November 12, 2013, 07:17:37 PM »
Please tell me that "Pro" doesn't mean a built-in non-removable grip.  That would be a deal-killer for sure.
Maybe for you. It's the complete opposite for me. I'll take the built in, fully integrated grip.

Part of the reason the ergonomics of 1-Series bodies is so brilliantly refined is that it's a totally integrated package. On a body with a bolt-on grip, there are inevitable and very real functional design compromises. I confront these differences on a daily basis with my gripped 5D3 & 1D MkIV.

Hopefully todays CR post is not just another in the long line of 7D2 apparitions. Eventually a real camera will emerge from the smoke and mirrors.

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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II in 2014 [CR2]
« Reply #38 on: November 12, 2013, 07:23:55 PM »
This is a camera that canon is going to do its best to make good,  not just to appeal to the widest audience. You can pretty well bet it will have at least a stop better than 70d iso performance, 2 digic processors, a nice size for big telephoto lens build with good weather sealing, probably 24 mp,and a really good AF system. Probably no floppy screen.

The people that want this camera want a mini 1dx and canon knows it.
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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II in 2014 [CR2]
« Reply #39 on: November 12, 2013, 07:42:25 PM »
I'm still loving my 5D3 and just keep my 7D around for backup.  The difference in sensor noise is so apparent in post processing, that I really don't care to use the 7D unless I'm forced to.  It's a nice handling camera, so I feel kinda bad about that.

When the 7D2 comes out, I will withhold judgement until there are many reviews addressing image quality/noise/higher ISO performance.  There will have to be a big improvement to attract my $$.
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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II in 2014 [CR2]
« Reply #40 on: November 12, 2013, 07:49:10 PM »
This is not a camera for the full frame pixel peeping connoisseur.  If your worried about razor thin depth of focus, noise at 6400 iso or any of that sort of thing, this is not your camera.  It simply can't be.  This will be amazing for the wild life or birder who wants that extra reach with a multitude of tools to get you there.  It will produce amazing pics at ISOs up to 800 (which if you come from film is amazing).  It will do fine over that for small prints or such that you want to post on facebook and just like every crop frame.  All that said I love birding and it's mine, all mine.     ;D
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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II in 2014 [CR2]
« Reply #41 on: November 12, 2013, 07:51:55 PM »

What bothers me about this rumor though is that I don't believe this: "...a new EOS-1 body."


New 1D could be high MP body

That would be my Guess as well, also my hope.

But why Canon would produce a high MP Camera in a 1 D Body, and develop a separate focus system to the existing 61 point in the 5DMK III & 1Dx ?? beats me.

I could see a 39 (pick a number) point system going into the 7D2, along with a better sensor (70D ?? Type), some better weather sealing, GPS etc, but you can't get away from the $$$, if the 7D2 is a 2k Camera Body, your going to get 2k value, those hoping for a 1Dx in a non 1 series body may be disappointed, again.

But if it had better IQ than the 1DMK IV, then it does become an interesting Body as a back up for the 1Dx in wildlife, the 1.6 sensor with real IQ would be interesting.
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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II in 2014 [CR2]
« Reply #42 on: November 12, 2013, 07:54:25 PM »
Please tell me that "Pro" doesn't mean a built-in non-removable grip.  That would be a deal-killer for sure.
Maybe for you. It's the complete opposite for me. I'll take the built in, fully integrated grip.

Part of the reason the ergonomics of 1-Series bodies is so brilliantly refined is that it's a totally integrated package.

Part of the reason for my post is that I find the ergonomics of the 1-Series worse than any Canon body aside from perhaps the M.  They're too large and they're unnecessarily heavy.  They're simply unusable for me.  I'll take my 5D over a 1-series every day.  In fact, if you give me a 1Dx for free, I'll put it in the basement along with my VCR.

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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II in 2014 [CR2]
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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II in 2014 [CR2]
« Reply #43 on: November 12, 2013, 08:05:44 PM »

What bothers me about this rumor though is that I don't believe this: "...a new EOS-1 body."


New 1D could be high MP body

That would be my Guess as well, also my hope.

But why Canon would produce a high MP Camera in a 1 D Body, and develop a separate focus system to the existing 61 point in the 5DMK III & 1Dx ?? beats me.

I could see a 39 (pick a number) point system going into the 7D2, along with a better sensor (70D ?? Type), some better weather sealing, GPS etc, but you can't get away from the $$$, if the 7D2 is a 2k Camera Body, your going to get 2k value, those hoping for a 1Dx in a non 1 series body may be disappointed, again.

But if it had better IQ than the 1DMK IV, then it does become an interesting Body as a back up for the 1Dx in wildlife, the 1.6 sensor with real IQ would be interesting.

I don't think you will see an integrated grip like the 1 series, that would drive the price up too much but weather sealing is cheap to include, they just don't on what they consider "consumer grade" its smart marketing. I have a 70d and its fine at iso 1600 in the shadows higher in decent light is fine too. Bump that up 1 step and your in business.

Canon execs said this camera would offer more than incremental evolution, let's hope they come through.

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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II in 2014 [CR2]
« Reply #44 on: November 12, 2013, 08:28:35 PM »
Its less pixel peeping and more cropping for me.

With both the tamron biglens update and the 7d2 appearing, it will either be very exciting or time to accept I have to accept the limitations of what I can achieve without relying on technology to help it further.

If they could make sure it fits my 7d underwater housing too that would be great . yes I know I'm dreaming.

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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II in 2014 [CR2]
« Reply #44 on: November 12, 2013, 08:28:35 PM »