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Handheld vs. tripod with the Great Whites
« on: November 14, 2013, 07:29:14 AM »
I posted this on another thread, but I think it works well enough to repost it.

We all struggle with getting maximum movability with our long tele lenses. I used to handhold a lot, but a 600mm f4L IS II, with a 1.4xIII extender on a 1DX body is quite a load. But as an old boy scout, who used to carry the flag in parades, I thought of using a flag bandoleer, which I did.

I am still working on a solution to strap the lens to the shoulder straps of the bandoleer, so it can hang in a stable position while I operate another body.

It is cheap small and very efficient.
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Handheld vs. tripod with the Great Whites
« on: November 14, 2013, 07:29:14 AM »

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Re: Handheld vs. tripod with the Great Whites
« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2013, 07:35:09 AM »
Nice! Monopod isn't enough?  :)

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Re: Handheld vs. tripod with the Great Whites
« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2013, 09:44:12 AM »
Clever.  Maybe modify a shoulder harness in combination with your setup?
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Re: Handheld vs. tripod with the Great Whites
« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2013, 10:08:29 AM »

I am still working on a solution to strap the lens to the shoulder straps of the bandoleer, so it can hang in a stable position while I operate another body.


In another thread some time back Neuro mentioned using a Blackrapid Sport Left strap to carry a 600mm f/4L IS II with a 1D X.
For short distances and one camera/lens, this sounds like a good approach although I have yet to try it myself. With the monopod, though, it would involve several operations: release the monopod, store it somewhere, attach the 600 to the BR strap, and then get your other camera.

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Re: Handheld vs. tripod with the Great Whites
« Reply #4 on: November 14, 2013, 10:54:27 AM »

I am still working on a solution to strap the lens to the shoulder straps of the bandoleer, so it can hang in a stable position while I operate another body.


In another thread some time back Neuro mentioned using a Blackrapid Sport Left strap to carry a 600mm f/4L IS II with a 1D X.
For short distances and one camera/lens, this sounds like a good approach although I have yet to try it myself. With the monopod, though, it would involve several operations: release the monopod, store it somewhere, attach the 600 to the BR strap, and then get your other camera.
What I´m looking for is something that would hold this rig up, while I operated an other camera. But all I have thought of so far involves a minimum of three straps and that becomes a bit messy. An option I have not tried is to use a line, where I can tilt the lens downward and tighten the monopod and lens towards my body.

But with all the smart people on this forum, I´m sure someone will come up with a brilliant suggestion :)
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Re: Handheld vs. tripod with the Great Whites
« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2013, 10:57:35 AM »
But with all the smart people on this forum, I´m sure someone will come up with a brilliant suggestion :)

Grow a 3rd hand?   ;)

Seriously, though - thanks for posting an image of your rig!
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Re: Handheld vs. tripod with the Great Whites
« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2013, 11:00:15 AM »

Grow a 3rd hand?   ;)

He, he, IMHO evolution should have fixed that. It would have been very practical in many situations. Not sure were we should have it though ...
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Re: Handheld vs. tripod with the Great Whites
« Reply #7 on: November 14, 2013, 01:40:32 PM »
For about $309 more than your solution, you could use this from Cotton Carrier:

http://buy.cottoncarrier.com/cotton-carrier-steady-shot-w-CAMERA-VEST-FOR-ALL-p/779ssv.htm

Or perhaps just invest in a nice set of these ;)
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Re: Handheld vs. tripod with the Great Whites
« Reply #8 on: November 14, 2013, 01:55:09 PM »
I looked at the Steady Shot and I am sure it works great up to a certain point, maybe a 300mm f2.8L IS II. But with a 600mm f4L IS II with extender and a 1DX, I´m rather skeptical. I would expect it to tilt.

And a good thing with the bandoleer is that it packs very compact and weighs close to nothing.

The weight lifting is probably a good idea anyway :)
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Re: Handheld vs. tripod with the Great Whites
« Reply #9 on: November 14, 2013, 02:13:57 PM »
I looked at the Steady Shot and I am sure it works great up to a certain point, maybe a 300mm f2.8L IS II. But with a 600mm f4L IS II with extender and a 1DX, I´m rather skeptical. I would expect it to tilt.

And a good thing with the bandoleer is that it packs very compact and weighs close to nothing.

The weight lifting is probably a good idea anyway :)

You don't need any assistance to hold a 300mm f/2.8L unless you are very weak.
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Re: Handheld vs. tripod with the Great Whites
« Reply #10 on: November 14, 2013, 02:37:19 PM »
You don't need any assistance to hold a 300mm f/2.8L unless you are very weak.
I think we all agree on that. I actually handheld both the 400 f2.8L IS II and the 600 f4L IS II most of the time, even with extenders. The need for this bandoleer solution came with the 200-400 f4L 1.4x. It is about as heavy as the 400mm, so from that perspective it is hand holdable. But you need that extra arm to handle the zoom. With the bandoleer, that became very easy.
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Re: Handheld vs. tripod with the Great Whites
« Reply #11 on: November 14, 2013, 02:39:10 PM »
I looked at the Steady Shot and I am sure it works great up to a certain point, maybe a 300mm f2.8L IS II. But with a 600mm f4L IS II with extender and a 1DX, I´m rather skeptical. I would expect it to tilt.

And a good thing with the bandoleer is that it packs very compact and weighs close to nothing.

The weight lifting is probably a good idea anyway :)

You don't need any assistance to hold a 300mm f/2.8L unless you are very weak.
Good points and the Steady Shot seems way overpriced - I like the bandoleer option a lot.  As Alan says, the 300 2.8 is very hand-holdable, at least for several minutes at a time.  If you're holding it up to your eye waiting for some action, it starts to get a little heavy.   Weight lifting helps a lot, though :).  I have yet to put my 300 on a tripod and found it annoying on my monopod, but would love to have a way to secure it to my belt or chest so I could grab shots with my 70-200 or 24-70 on another body.

The 600 is a whole other story, though, and the 800 is ridiculously hard to hand-hold.
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Re: Handheld vs. tripod with the Great Whites
« Reply #12 on: November 14, 2013, 05:54:59 PM »
Of course, another (though potentially more costly) solution is a very attractive assistant. :) ;)

Seriously, given the length and weight of the kit, I still wonder about the bandoleer with a shoulder harness using the monopod, as you've shown.  Or, would that be too heavy making you want to lean forward?  Then a second body and lens on a BR?
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Re: Handheld vs. tripod with the Great Whites
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« Reply #13 on: November 14, 2013, 07:41:12 PM »
Hi Eldar, I like it, simple, in expensive.

There are a few products out there such as the Fly Cam, Steady Cam etc, mostly made for Video use, but also mostly entailing a hinge vest and arm arrangement.

As you mentioned, the 200-400f/4 brings a few small issues to the Party now, when hand holding it's a bit of a task operating the Zoom and Converter as well as the Camera, maybe we are looking at it from the wrong perspective.

Perhaps we should be looking at stabilising the Subject ??
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Re: Handheld vs. tripod with the Great Whites
« Reply #14 on: November 14, 2013, 07:51:21 PM »
Hi Eldar, I like it, simple, in expensive.

There are a few products out there such as the Fly Cam, Steady Cam etc, mostly made for Video use, but also mostly entailing a hinge vest and arm arrangement.

As you mentioned, the 200-400f/4 brings a few small issues to the Party now, when hand holding it's a bit of a task operating the Zoom and Converter as well as the Camera, maybe we are looking at it from the wrong perspective.

Perhaps we should be looking at stabilising the Subject ??

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Re: Handheld vs. tripod with the Great Whites
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