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Re: Handheld vs. tripod with the Great Whites
« Reply #30 on: November 15, 2013, 08:30:16 PM »
Thanks AlanF.  I am now patiently (as opposed to others not enjoying what they've got as much as me) waiting to see what my second camera will be.  Once the 7D2 is out (assuming), if that doesn't seem to offer what we hope, then I'll probably go 1Dx to get me the best AF and FPS.  I'm convinced that I'm not quite getting with my 300 X2 what others are with their longer primes but the difference is not enough to phase me.  In other words if I'm creative and persistent I can still compete to a fair degree. :)

I do have great admiration for those who pack the bigger lenses and of course great salivation when I see some of the shots they only can get, but at my age I won't be going there. ;)

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Re: Handheld vs. tripod with the Great Whites
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Re: Handheld vs. tripod with the Great Whites
« Reply #31 on: November 15, 2013, 08:43:20 PM »
Nice! Monopod isn't enough?  :)

monopods can get in the way

I know for sports, I much prefer to hand hold my 300 2.8, easier to track, especially for football and if going up and down sidelines too.

I wonder how much extra freedom the bandolier gives compared to a monopod.
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Re: Handheld vs. tripod with the Great Whites
« Reply #32 on: November 16, 2013, 02:17:35 AM »
I wonder how much extra freedom the bandolier gives compared to a monopod.
The bandoleer does not work without a monopod. And its not meant to be used with a 300mm. Have you seen the picture at the beginning of the thread?
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Re: Handheld vs. tripod with the Great Whites
« Reply #33 on: November 16, 2013, 06:07:47 AM »
Nice! Monopod isn't enough?  :)

monopods can get in the way

I know for sports, I much prefer to hand hold my 300 2.8, easier to track, especially for football and if going up and down sidelines too.


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Re: Handheld vs. tripod with the Great Whites
« Reply #34 on: November 16, 2013, 06:13:23 PM »
Great idea Eldar. I often use my 600 w the monopod folded back and braced against my leg, but the bandolier would be much better - I'll have to track one down.
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Re: Handheld vs. tripod with the Great Whites
« Reply #35 on: November 16, 2013, 06:47:34 PM »
I am not sure because I haven't started to work on this yet but I'd be thinking along the lines of my hands holding the camer/lens with support in some way for my elbow(s) augmented by a modified neck strap.  However, in my case I'd be working 300 X2 and only wanting a little extra help. 

My limited time with the gimble had me constantly finding birds located at very awkward angles relative to how I was set up and I'd be pulling the lens off the tripod more than leaving it on, in frustration.  However for more distant shots with more reach I can imagine this problem doesn't factor in??

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Re: Handheld vs. tripod with the Great Whites
« Reply #36 on: November 16, 2013, 07:00:11 PM »
Hmm.  The "cheetah IS" got me thinking.  If this can lift a cat, then it can lift a 600 f/4.

 ;)

I'm surprised this got by the animal rights activists! :)  Wonder if anyone has actually used helium assist - I've heard of a guy launching himself so .....  All you'd need is to pack an 80 cu ft cylinder along with you. :D

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Re: Handheld vs. tripod with the Great Whites
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Re: Handheld vs. tripod with the Great Whites
« Reply #37 on: November 16, 2013, 08:33:49 PM »
I wonder how much extra freedom the bandolier gives compared to a monopod.
The bandoleer does not work without a monopod. And its not meant to be used with a 300mm. Have you seen the picture at the beginning of the thread?

I do a reasonable amount of shooting from a Helicopter, doors off, when I'm on Safari, especially in the Okavango Delta area, the Bandolier is almost the perfect solution, alternative is simply hand holding, the Helicopter harness keeps you attached to the chopper when your standing out on the skid, but this makes it impossible to use the Monopod attached, I've tried a harness from the top door edge but it's restrictive even using a line that has a tension brake included (similar system to car seat belts) the Bandolier is an almost perfect solution in this situation, and light weight easy to pack.

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Re: Handheld vs. tripod with the Great Whites
« Reply #38 on: November 17, 2013, 06:47:27 AM »
According to a majority of white lens owners here in Japan, you apparently cannot be recognized past amateur level unless you use a giant tripod, from "big white" to a 70-300 with IS, even if what you're shooting absolutely doesn't need any such support, but you're willing to lug around an F/2.8 zoom all day but shoot at F/16 only... err....
Seriously it's insane, was just at a nice place for autumn leaves viewing and I lost count past 50 of people with the 70-200 series of lenses, mostly 70-200LII too, and few of them are any sort of pro, just part of a photo group/club. It was interesting to see that a majority of users are Canon here, and more Olympus/Panasonic mFT users than even Nikon.








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Re: Handheld vs. tripod with the Great Whites
« Reply #39 on: November 17, 2013, 12:20:16 PM »
Nishi Drew,

That's an eye opener! It's whatever makes you happy, and they look happy!!  :)

New thread maybe? - psychology of photography.  PhD thesis anyone?

I've often wondered if people (or creatures) watching me aren't getting a big laugh, but hey that'd be great in that I'd be contributing to the good of humanity (wildlife). ;)

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Re: Handheld vs. tripod with the Great Whites
« Reply #40 on: November 17, 2013, 03:48:52 PM »
I wonder how much extra freedom the bandolier gives compared to a monopod.
The bandoleer does not work without a monopod. And its not meant to be used with a 300mm. Have you seen the picture at the beginning of the thread?

Yeah but the monopod is not being used like a monopod here that is what I meant. Here it is just attached to you and you are not stuck messing with it on the ground.

And I was just using the 300 as an example of how hand-holding can be nice (plus, who is to say you couldn't use this with it if you were tired?).

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Re: Handheld vs. tripod with the Great Whites
« Reply #41 on: November 17, 2013, 04:03:02 PM »
I wonder how much extra freedom the bandolier gives compared to a monopod.
The bandoleer does not work without a monopod. And its not meant to be used with a 300mm. Have you seen the picture at the beginning of the thread?

Yeah but the monopod is not being used like a monopod here that is what I meant. Here it is just attached to you and you are not stuck messing with it on the ground.

And I was just using the 300 as an example of how hand-holding can be nice (plus, who is to say you couldn't use this with it if you were tired?).
I have now walked around with this quite a bit, with both the 600mm f4L IS II and the 200-400 f4L 1.4x, and I feel as stable with the bandoleer as with having the monopod on the ground. When I´m in a forrest and often need to make minor sideways movements, I never have to adjust the length of the monopod, which makes me a lot more efficient. I also make less noise. When I walk with it, I just tilt the lens down and hold it close to my body, with both camera and lens well protected. I have not felt any strain on my back or any other muscle from carrying this over time.

Personally I would not feel the need to have rig like this for a 300mm, but I´m sure some would. If you have to follow a subject through the viewer for some time, a 300 can also be heavy enough.
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Re: Handheld vs. tripod with the Great Whites
« Reply #42 on: November 22, 2013, 02:25:01 AM »
According to a majority of white lens owners here in Japan, you apparently cannot be recognized past amateur level unless you use a giant tripod, from "big white" to a 70-300 with IS, even if what you're shooting absolutely doesn't need any such support, but you're willing to lug around an F/2.8 zoom all day but shoot at F/16 only... err....
Seriously it's insane, was just at a nice place for autumn leaves viewing and I lost count past 50 of people with the 70-200 series of lenses, mostly 70-200LII too, and few of them are any sort of pro, just part of a photo group/club. It was interesting to see that a majority of users are Canon here, and more Olympus/Panasonic mFT users than even Nikon.

I run into Japanese tourists and retires here in Thailand all the time. They all tell me about Canon and how famous the 300 mm f2.8 lens and others are. And allot use tripods also.. strange.

Got to talking to one guy that was a real camera buff. He was shooting on a nice tripod using a Panasonic and an older 500mm f/4.5. Manual focus with focus peeking. And was getting some beautiful photos. I was amazed. Allot the Japanese guys here really get into it. Having special machined parts made for there lens and cameras.
I felt kinda out of place.

They also tell me Canon provides free services to it's customers there. Free yearly cleaning and adjustments.  Is one thing he mentioned.
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Re: Handheld vs. tripod with the Great Whites
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