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Best ND1000 3.0 Filter?
« on: November 17, 2013, 08:08:59 AM »
I've recently been looking at strong ND filters, and it had drawn my attention to their prices too! They are absurdly expensive! (Well, Lee Big stopper, B+W and some other brands are particularly the ones I looked at.) After reviewing Mr. Google, it seems like other brands would work just as well, even for screw-in filters. A few brands kept coming up, which are as below: Hoya, Bower, Tiffen, Haida, NiSi, Camdiox and others. Have anyone tried these cheaper brands? And are there any difference?

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Best ND1000 3.0 Filter?
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Re: Best ND1000 3.0 Filter?
« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2013, 10:26:37 AM »
The difference is how 'neutral' they they are.  None (even the expensive ones) are true neutral - the B+W has a warm/red tone, others have a cool/blue tone. I believe the cool tone is harder to remove, and I often prefer the warm tone of my B+W 10-stop filters. I have the Lee Big Stopper, too - that's the way to go if you want to combine with grad NDs.

Much of the warm tone is due to 'leakage' of infrared light (the amount that gets through the IR cut filter at the sensor is insignificant with short exposures).  Therefore, the only way to get a true neutral long daytime exposure is with a 'hot mirror' IR-ND filter.  But, those don't work with an AoV wider than ~35mm (on FF), and if you think good quality regular 10-stop NDs are expensive...

I'd stay away from the cheap-o brands (Bower, etc.).  The high end Hoya filters are fine, and I've read good things about Haida but have no direct experience.
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Re: Best ND1000 3.0 Filter?
« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2013, 12:54:04 PM »
That's a very interesting thing to know. Wouldn't taking in RAW then solve the problem? Since I can control both the temperature and hue of my photo? Also, for the leakage part, would screw in filters thus solve the problem? I read something about light seeping through when square filters were used, but I'm not too sure how that works.

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Re: Best ND1000 3.0 Filter?
« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2013, 01:02:57 PM »
Shooting RAW is a given, but when a filter causes a selective color problem, global WB changes aren't always able to fix it.

The 'leakage' I'm referring to isn't a light leak at the filter edge (although that can be a problem if you've got the Big Stopper in an outer slot of the Lee holder), but rather that the IR blocking filter that sits on top of the sensor isn't perfect - a ~1% IR transmission is insignificant when there is plenty of visible light, but when you're also attenuating 99% of the visible light, that little bit of IR matters.
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Re: Best ND1000 3.0 Filter?
« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2013, 04:42:00 PM »
Wow, I didn't knw about that IR thing! I guess there is a reason then why Lee Big Stopper is so popular. I've been trying to find out how many companies are offering ND1000 slot in filters, but so far I can only find Lee and another Europe (or somewhere) company that goes by the name of Stealth Gear. Even brands like Hoya and Cokin don't offer it. Do you have any recommendation for this?

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Re: Best ND1000 3.0 Filter?
« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2013, 07:07:13 PM »
i used a B+W 3.0 and it has a violet reflection when viewed in daylight.
It reproduced the color very good though you will probably prefer blackwhite color when doing several minutes exposure

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Re: Best ND1000 3.0 Filter?
« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2013, 07:29:38 PM »
i used a B+W 3.0 and it has a violet reflection when viewed in daylight.
It reproduced the color very good though you will probably prefer blackwhite color when doing several minutes exposure
Thanks. Does it come as slot-in filters?

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« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2013, 07:30:40 PM »
Interesting thing: I've found out that Haida has one of the best review around. Will definitely try to get my hands on one of those. They do offer 100mm slot-in filters too. Now to find it...

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Re: Best ND1000 3.0 Filter?
« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2013, 08:57:03 PM »
Here is an example of the LEE big stopper pro glass filter. The blue cast in my copy isn't totally terrible and I can correct in LR+PS. What I found is you do want to slot it closest to the lens to avoid that leakage neuro talks about.

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Re: Best ND1000 3.0 Filter?
« Reply #9 on: November 18, 2013, 12:04:54 AM »
i used a B+W 3.0 and it has a violet reflection when viewed in daylight.
It reproduced the color very good though you will probably prefer blackwhite color when doing several minutes exposure
Thanks. Does it come as slot-in filters?

The one I used was 77mm screw-in filter.
I doubt that B+W has slot-in filter.

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Re: Best ND1000 3.0 Filter?
« Reply #10 on: November 18, 2013, 05:11:25 AM »
I have a Hoya ND x400.  Its "only" 9 stops (or, more technically, just under 9), but it is well priced and high quality.  It doesn't have a significant colour cast problem and is a nice filter to use.
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Re: Best ND1000 3.0 Filter?
« Reply #11 on: November 18, 2013, 08:23:09 AM »
I doubt that B+W has slot-in filter.

B+W used to sell 100mm square filters, but I believe they dropped them from their lineup.  Their parent company, Schneider Iptics, does make both square and rectangular filters, but only as dark as 6 stops.  They are sold under Schneider's MPTV line, which also includes a wide selection of graduated neutral density filters, and all of their filters are made of Schott glass (almost all other grad NDs are made of resin).  Their filters are also 4 mm thick, which means you need different spacers for the Lee foundation holder, or to purchase a filter holder from Schneider (which is made for them by Lee, and uses the Lee adapters).
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Re: Best ND1000 3.0 Filter?
« Reply #12 on: November 18, 2013, 11:44:44 AM »
Formatt Hitech produce a slot in 10 Stop ND

https://www.formatt-hitech.com/en/products/ProStop-IRND~25.htm

The IRND version is relatively new, my Dad has an earlier version.  It produces very similar results to my Lee, cool/blue cast.

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Re: Best ND1000 3.0 Filter?
« Reply #13 on: August 10, 2014, 01:54:31 AM »
I have the similar question. I am down to these three models; what is your recommendation?

B+W ND110 MRC
Hoya Pro ND1000
Kenko Pro ND1000 (listed around $10 cheaper than Hoya on Amazon; I'm not sure if it is the same as Hoya)
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