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Re: RLPhotos Computer upgrade 2013
« Reply #15 on: December 27, 2013, 03:50:31 PM »
I'm a bit late to this thread but I'd like to comment on a few things...  (RAID Array Strategy and Backups)

1st - RLPhoto - great machine.  However, RAID5 is outdated and risky.  Either go RAID6 or change things and use multiple RAID1 volumes.  RAID5 is less reliable and difficult to recover in the event of a failure, esp if you are not using an enterprise class controller.  I didn't see a RAID controller listed and I hope to God you are not putting a RAID5 array on a cheap single chip non-cache, non-battery (possibly motherboard) controller!  It's better and easier to have multiple volumes on separate disks/arrays instead of one large volume on one array.  When disks fail, you won't lose access to everything, only part of your data.  For instance, I have 3 - 2TB RAID1 Mirrors, one for older stuff (archive), one for current stuff before POST and a 3rd for recent stuff after POST.  I also have a few single internal drives that act as synchronized backups to the RAID volumes.  Oh, and you should also have hot spares installed along with at least a couple of spare identical drives on the shelf to maintain drive consistency when you have to replace one later.  And finally, how do you plan to back up a 10TB volume?  More important, how do you plan to restore it?  Do you know how and have you done it yet to be sure it works?  It is extremely tedious, stressful and time consuming to restore 10TB of data or a 10TB volume all at once.  In fact, you really need another RAID array 10TB volume to back it up to.  Hence the reason why I create multiple 2TB volumes as I need them.  The archive volume for instance doesn't need to be backed up very often since it rarely changes.

2nd - JPAZ - I certainly hope you meant that you have a RAID1 (mirror) because if you really have a RAID0 array, you are NOT PROTECTED from a drive failure.  RAID0 IS NOT A MIRROR ARRAY.  There is NO REDUNDANCY.  If one drive fails, you lose the entire volume, regardless of which physical disk the data is stored on.

3rd - dgatwood - I think there is nothing wrong with using a RAID Array but unfortunately most people do not really understand RAID so they do not plan, implement or maintain it correctly.  Doing RAID well is not easy, cheap or simple.  It is often misunderstood.  I think using RAID is a good idea for adding some physical drive failure insurance, provided it is done right with the proper respect for the technology.  But when things fail, most people are not equipped to handle the problem or did not use the right technology and at that point would have been better off staying with a simpler individual drive design.  It's the restore/recovery phase of RAID that tests the design limits and is usually the hardest, most stressful part, even with a good backup in place.

Wow. Quite a response rusty and duly noted.

I have a 8TB NAS for backups but I preferred having the storage internally for speed and also carbonite allows unlimited online backup of internals storage. As for RAID 5 reliability, I ran a raid 5 on my old machines mobo controller. I had one disk fail in its usage and rebuilt the array with the Intel rapid storage program. It was pretty easy.

so far the machine is fantastic. It rivals the new mac pro in most benchmarks.

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Re: RLPhotos Computer upgrade 2013
« Reply #15 on: December 27, 2013, 03:50:31 PM »

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Re: RLPhotos Computer upgrade 2013
« Reply #16 on: December 27, 2013, 04:25:29 PM »
I just built a new machine and would gloat about the specs, but it's a rookie toy compared to this!  You definitely get the builder award!  I'll have to run the geekbench on my machine to see how it compares.  Will post my results if they come even remotely close...

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Re: RLPhotos Computer upgrade 2013
« Reply #17 on: December 27, 2013, 04:42:31 PM »
I wouldn't trust any motherboard so-called RAID support. It's generally just half-hearted silicon implementation with mostly software RAID drivers sitting on top of it. Plus, if your motherboard dies, it's chancy if you can recover the array. If you stick with full software RAID (such as what Windows provides) it's much more portable and you have pretty good odds of recovering an array through a mobo/controller failure. Plus, you've got plenty of cores & CPU horsepower these days to make the amount of CPU overhead not really worth acknowledging.

Now if you've got a high-quality 3rd party RAID card with battery-backed RAM, that might be worthwhile. But probably not for what you need.

Personally, I want bonded 10GbE to a NAS with 10-12 disks running FreeBSD with ZFS 0+1 that has 64GB of RAM for the ZFS cache.
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Re: RLPhotos Computer upgrade 2013
« Reply #18 on: December 27, 2013, 09:54:18 PM »
I wouldn't trust any motherboard so-called RAID support. It's generally just half-hearted silicon implementation with mostly software RAID drivers sitting on top of it. Plus, if your motherboard dies, it's chancy if you can recover the array. If you stick with full software RAID (such as what Windows provides) it's much more portable and you have pretty good odds of recovering an array through a mobo/controller failure. Plus, you've got plenty of cores & CPU horsepower these days to make the amount of CPU overhead not really worth acknowledging.

Now if you've got a high-quality 3rd party RAID card with battery-backed RAM, that might be worthwhile. But probably not for what you need.

Personally, I want bonded 10GbE to a NAS with 10-12 disks running FreeBSD with ZFS 0+1 that has 64GB of RAM for the ZFS cache.

Well let's also consider that this system was built with a future proofing of around 4-6 years. HDDs might be 10TB by then and I'll just migrate over to those with my data.

I haven't had issues with mobo raid chips but if I do, I'll be sure to post it here.

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Re: RLPhotos Computer upgrade 2013
« Reply #19 on: December 29, 2013, 08:24:09 AM »
Hello fellow CR users,

I tend to lapse in upgrading my equipment. I use my stuff until it cannot function or it frustrates me into improvising a alternate way of doing things. When that fails, I consider upgrading my stuff and my PC was one of those long neglected pieces of kit.

My Old Computer specs (built 2006 - Retired 2013)

Intel E6600 OC'ed to 3.4ghz.
Western Digital 500GB HDD + 2TB RAID 5 w/ 4 Drives
Nvidia 8800 GTS 640mb Card
16GB DDR2 800 MHZ RAM
Gigabyte Motherboard
Win 7 Pro

This machine was finally defeated when handling my 5D3 files with heavy layers in CS6, Exporting and Editing 5D3 files in LR4 and Rendering video in Premiere pro CS6. It simply couldn't keep up with my catalog.

My Newest Machine

ASUS Sabertooth X79 Mobo
Intel i7 4930K OC'ed to 4.2 GHz w/ H100i cooler
64GB of 1866Mhz DDR3
Nvidia GTX 770 4GB card
240GB SSD + 180GB Intel SSD
10TB RAID 5 of storage.
Win 7 Pro

This rig simply flys through my huge LR catalog and my PSD's. Editing in Premiere is a breeze and I thought I'd post a geekbench score if anyones interested. :)

Total Cost - 3000$ for everything.

nice setup, my only thing to mention is you probably don't need to over clock so just don't. To be that gain over risk isn't worth it in the long run.

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Re: RLPhotos Computer upgrade 2013
« Reply #20 on: January 01, 2014, 10:42:52 PM »
Well, mine's not quite on the same level, but not too bad given that I only spent about $500 on my upgrade - new Mobo, CPU, and PSU.  Too bad the 64-bit test won't work in the trial mode.

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Re: RLPhotos Computer upgrade 2013
« Reply #21 on: January 02, 2014, 11:29:24 AM »
P.S. plus $75 for a Noctua NH-U14S CPU cooler.  It's absolutely amazing and knocked 50 degrees C off the stock cooler at load.  The fan that came with my 4770K was garbage, the worst Intel has ever included and was barely enough to keep the CPU for thermal shutdown.

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Re: RLPhotos Computer upgrade 2013
« Reply #21 on: January 02, 2014, 11:29:24 AM »

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Re: RLPhotos Computer upgrade 2013
« Reply #22 on: January 04, 2014, 12:37:52 PM »
Awesome PC RLPhoto - that should last you for a few years :)

I used to build my PC's too, but ended up getting tired of "building - dinking with" and ended up purchasing refurbished workstations.  I found myself always trying to keep up with the Jones' regarding CPU, RAM and Video Card and ended up tinkering more than using the PC.

HP has a refurb program called HP remarketing where you can get their business products (not consumer) for a good price if you shop the site regularly.  For those interested - just google HP remarketing.  Their business products hold up real well - my first workstation is 10 years old and is still kicking.  My second is pushing 5 years old and still holds its own.  I could dump some money into it to improve the performance ( which is nowhere where you guys are at right now - my geekbench score was 1816 with a multiprocessor of 7054), but there's a point where the PC is limited and additional hardware won't help you.

Damn you...now I have PC G.A.S.....   ;D

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Re: RLPhotos Computer upgrade 2013
« Reply #23 on: January 09, 2014, 02:15:21 PM »
Well, mine's not quite on the same level, but not too bad given that I only spent about $500 on my upgrade - new Mobo, CPU, and PSU.  Too bad the 64-bit test won't work in the trial mode.

That's a great score. Per core, if you had a 6-core machine, would be right around 21,000 pts.

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Re: RLPhotos Computer upgrade 2013
« Reply #24 on: January 09, 2014, 02:21:05 PM »
Well, mine's not quite on the same level, but not too bad given that I only spent about $500 on my upgrade - new Mobo, CPU, and PSU.  Too bad the 64-bit test won't work in the trial mode.

That's a great score. Per core, if you had a 6-core machine, would be right around 21,000 pts.
Thanks and I'm really pleased with it.  The only downfall is that my ancient laptop now seems so slow, I'm ready to throw it out the window!

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Re: RLPhotos Computer upgrade 2013
« Reply #25 on: January 09, 2014, 10:10:10 PM »
Well, mine's not quite on the same level, but not too bad given that I only spent about $500 on my upgrade - new Mobo, CPU, and PSU.  Too bad the 64-bit test won't work in the trial mode.

That's a great score. Per core, if you had a 6-core machine, would be right around 21,000 pts.
Thanks and I'm really pleased with it.  The only downfall is that my ancient laptop now seems so slow, I'm ready to throw it out the window!

Time to upgrade - it's the never ending battle :)
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Re: RLPhotos Computer upgrade 2013
« Reply #25 on: January 09, 2014, 10:10:10 PM »