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Re: Two New Full Frame Cameras in 2014? [CR1]
« Reply #195 on: December 04, 2013, 05:49:41 PM »
With regards ML I think Canon have taken a masterful and probably coincidentally pragmatic approach, all the more remarkable given the type, size and style of company they are.

ML adds a very welcome boost to 5D sales, it made the 5D MkII a cult product and that has continued with the MkIII, indie film makers, small time videographers and wedding photo/video shooters love them, but Canon have laid down their stance on encroachment of the Cine line, a much smaller and better funded market segment anyway.

ML have created a buzz and good feeling around the 5D, Canon have "let" them do it, a PR positive instead of the PR negative legal action would have generated. ML have helped sales, which I am sure Canon appreciate, but ML don't see the value, if any, in hacking the C line firmware, which Canon also love.

This has to be a very rare occurrence of everybody being happy and living in comparative harmony, wonder how long it can last!

Totally agree here. Canon only benefits from ML's activities and their firmware. It certainly doesn't steal sales from the company, on the contrary more often than not many photographers stick with Canon for the sole reason that ML exists for it.
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Re: Two New Full Frame Cameras in 2014? [CR1]
« Reply #195 on: December 04, 2013, 05:49:41 PM »

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Re: Two New Full Frame Cameras in 2014? [CR1]
« Reply #196 on: December 05, 2013, 02:44:18 AM »
It certainly doesn't steal sales from the company

Maybe not on the accumulated sales side, but certainly a lot of people buy a Rebel because you can fix usability and feature shortcomings with ML and Canon cannot use "it has xyz brackets" as a marketing item. Also the raw video of the 5d3 might lose them some 1dx sales...

... but I still think Canon profits from ML as a system, even if Panasonic recently prevented 3rd party fw on their cameras because of increased support costs there is a reason Canon does allow it.

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Re: Two New Full Frame Cameras in 2014? [CR1]
« Reply #197 on: December 05, 2013, 09:54:20 AM »
So so sorry but what is 'ML'. Pls do not laugh, just tell me the full form. Pls.

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Re: Two New Full Frame Cameras in 2014? [CR1]
« Reply #198 on: December 05, 2013, 10:05:10 AM »
So so sorry but what is 'ML'. Pls do not laugh, just tell me the full form. Pls.

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Re: Two New Full Frame Cameras in 2014? [CR1]
« Reply #199 on: December 05, 2013, 10:19:04 AM »
So so sorry but what is 'ML'. Pls do not laugh, just tell me the full form. Pls.

Magic Lantern an add-on that runs alongside the original Canon firmware and brings very useful to near-essential features to the camera (raw video & histogram, 14ev dynamic range, focus stacking, focus peaking, intervalometer, unlimited bracketing, ...). It's the one reason I'm using Canon and not Nikon. See link above for their homepage, they've also got a forum with tutorials over there.

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Re: Two New Full Frame Cameras in 2014? [CR1]
« Reply #200 on: December 05, 2013, 10:46:05 AM »
In restrospect, magic lantern is a third party add on that only works with Canon DSLRs.
Of course, its helping Canon more than crippling them... because ML doesn't make hardware of their own, only software.

No point in thinking anything else... if you don't have a body, and its lenses... what good does the software that helps run it have?

Canon should really pay them for what they do.
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Re: Two New Full Frame Cameras in 2014? [CR1]
« Reply #201 on: December 05, 2013, 10:50:39 AM »
Canon should really pay them for what they do.
Maybe they do ;) If so it would be a rather cunning way to verify new concepts and test reactions in the user community.
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Re: Two New Full Frame Cameras in 2014? [CR1]
« Reply #201 on: December 05, 2013, 10:50:39 AM »

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Re: Two New Full Frame Cameras in 2014? [CR1]
« Reply #202 on: December 05, 2013, 12:38:00 PM »
Canon should really pay them for what they do.
Maybe they do ;) If so it would be a rather cunning way to verify new concepts and test reactions in the user community.

Or maybe it just looks really good on your resume when Canon is interviewing software engineers.
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Re: Two New Full Frame Cameras in 2014? [CR1]
« Reply #203 on: December 05, 2013, 06:13:20 PM »
In restrospect, magic lantern is a third party add on that only works with Canon DSLRs.
Of course, its helping Canon more than crippling them... because ML doesn't make hardware of their own, only software.

No point in thinking anything else... if you don't have a body, and its lenses... what good does the software that helps run it have?

Canon should really pay them for what they do.

So Canon takes Magic Lantern to court and wins... and now the Judge has to award damages.... "So because of this unauthorized software you sold an extra 10,000 units and your company's profits went up by $5,000,000.. I award you damages of -$10,000,000.... please pay it to the people at Magic Lantern".... Just NOT gonna happen :)
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Re: Two New Full Frame Cameras in 2014? [CR1]
« Reply #204 on: December 06, 2013, 06:00:42 AM »
With regards ML I think Canon have taken a masterful and probably coincidentally pragmatic approach, all the more remarkable given the type, size and style of company they are.

ML adds a very welcome boost to 5D sales, it made the 5D MkII a cult product and that has continued with the MkIII, indie film makers, small time videographers and wedding photo/video shooters love them, but Canon have laid down their stance on encroachment of the Cine line, a much smaller and better funded market segment anyway.

ML have created a buzz and good feeling around the 5D, Canon have "let" them do it, a PR positive instead of the PR negative legal action would have generated. ML have helped sales, which I am sure Canon appreciate, but ML don't see the value, if any, in hacking the C line firmware, which Canon also love.

This has to be a very rare occurrence of everybody being happy and living in comparative harmony, wonder how long it can last!

Totally agree here. Canon only benefits from ML's activities and their firmware. It certainly doesn't steal sales from the company, on the contrary more often than not many photographers stick with Canon for the sole reason that ML exists for it.
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Re: Two New Full Frame Cameras in 2014? [CR1]
« Reply #205 on: December 06, 2013, 07:59:42 AM »
So so sorry but what is 'ML'. Pls do not laugh, just tell me the full form. Pls.

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Oh ok. yeah I know magic lantern! Thx. :)

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Re: Two New Full Frame Cameras in 2014? [CR1]
« Reply #206 on: December 06, 2013, 08:00:34 AM »
So so sorry but what is 'ML'. Pls do not laugh, just tell me the full form. Pls.

Magic Lantern an add-on that runs alongside the original Canon firmware and brings very useful to near-essential features to the camera (raw video & histogram, 14ev dynamic range, focus stacking, focus peaking, intervalometer, unlimited bracketing, ...). It's the one reason I'm using Canon and not Nikon. See link above for their homepage, they've also got a forum with tutorials over there.

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Re: Two New Full Frame Cameras in 2014? [CR1]
« Reply #207 on: December 06, 2013, 09:52:48 AM »
So so sorry but what is 'ML'. Pls do not laugh, just tell me the full form. Pls.

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Oh ok. yeah I know magic lantern! Thx. :)

No problem there were some things I was unsure of at first and shamefully had to look up on Google!

I remember being like "What the hell is AFMA??" I was convinced I could figure it out on my own but eventually gave up and Googled it!

And it doesn't help when "ML" is sometimes used to say Mirror-Less, but I think context helps! Confusing when they are talking about Magic Lantern on a page about Mirrorless cameras!! Haha!!

There should be a CR glossary of terms!!
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Re: Two New Full Frame Cameras in 2014? [CR1]
« Reply #207 on: December 06, 2013, 09:52:48 AM »

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Re: Two New Full Frame Cameras in 2014? [CR1]
« Reply #208 on: December 06, 2013, 10:00:33 AM »
Anyone think they might make the 24-70 II a kit lens for the expensive hi-rez 1D?  If so, that might really bring it down into a more affordable range for ppl.

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Re: Two New Full Frame Cameras in 2014? [CR1]
« Reply #208 on: December 06, 2013, 10:00:33 AM »