December 17, 2014, 06:37:54 PM

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The trusty [CR1] says two new ff announcements in 2014, one would be the 1DXs, the other...

... the 6D2 before the 5D4, that's for sure.
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... of course the 5D4 before the 6D2!
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Voting closed: December 12, 2013, 03:16:09 PM

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Re: POLL: The 2nd ff camera in 2014 will be...
« Reply #30 on: November 29, 2013, 06:33:58 AM »
Im not sure where the 5DMKIII fails tbh... I love mine and there is very few areas I feel it needs updating. Its not even 2 years old
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but I would have preferred to have an in built intervalometer function in the 5D MK III
Stupid thread.
A bit harsh ... I don't think it is stupid
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Re: POLL: The 2nd ff camera in 2014 will be...
« Reply #30 on: November 29, 2013, 06:33:58 AM »

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Re: POLL: The 2nd ff camera in 2014 will be...
« Reply #31 on: November 29, 2013, 11:35:03 AM »
but I would have preferred to have an in built intervalometer function in the 5D MK III

Magic Lantern has it.

Stupid thread.
A bit harsh ... I don't think it is stupid

I guess what our esteemed fellow CR member probably wanted to say in his very own way would be that a replacement is stupid, not the thread about a rumor saying so.

And not to put too much a fine point on it, I'd say pecunia non olet as model policy is not driven by what makes sense, but what sells for what profit.

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Re: POLL: The 2nd ff camera in 2014 will be...
« Reply #32 on: November 29, 2013, 01:09:04 PM »
but I would have preferred to have an in built intervalometer function in the 5D MK III
Magic Lantern has it.
Yes, but it is still in Alpha stage and one has to re-run the firmware update after every time the camera is powered off. Also, I recently installed the Alpha firmware for EOS-M and whenever I try to shoot RAW footage using the Magic Lantern intervalamoter function, I get several corrupted RAW files ... but it works fine with JPG ... so, at the moment I am not comfortable installing Magic Lantern on my main camera ... for this reason I was looking to get a used or refurbished 60D to do time lapse during my December vacation to Australia ... that brings me to the question: do you know any CR members who are Australian? coz I started this thread asking for advice http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=18339.msg341290#new 


Stupid thread.
A bit harsh ... I don't think it is stupid

I guess what our esteemed fellow CR member probably wanted to say in his very own way would be that a replacement is stupid, not the thread about a rumor saying so.
Are you sure ;D
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Re: POLL: The 2nd ff camera in 2014 will be...
« Reply #33 on: November 29, 2013, 01:51:19 PM »
+1
but I would have preferred to have an in built intervalometer function in the 5D MK III

Why have a firmware intervalometer when you can purchase a TC-80N3 separately for $129?
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Re: POLL: The 2nd ff camera in 2014 will be...
« Reply #34 on: November 29, 2013, 02:55:14 PM »
+1
but I would have preferred to have an in built intervalometer function in the 5D MK III

Why have a firmware intervelometer when you can purchase a TC-80N3 separately for $129?
Yes, I am aware of that ... in fact I am going to buy one from B&H for $42 (its the Vello version) ... bu it would have been nicer to have in-camera for these reasons:
1. Don't have to carry another additional accessory to carry

2. Don't have to worry about carrying another battery or two to make sure the accessory is working

3. It may not seem like a big deal to carry a small remote, (the Vello version is taller than the camera) but when you are already carrying lots of "small" accessories (especially during vacations), one more small thing just adds to the problem of forgetting to carry it or worse yet, losing it on the field ... having an in-camera intervelometer eliminates that problem. Basically in one word: awesome convenience .... ok that's 2 words.
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Re: POLL: The 2nd ff camera in 2014 will be...
« Reply #35 on: November 29, 2013, 03:54:14 PM »
Yes, but it is still in Alpha stage and one has to re-run the firmware update after every time the camera is powered off. Also, I recently installed the Alpha firmware for EOS-M and whenever I try to shoot RAW footage using the Magic Lantern intervalamoter function, I get several corrupted RAW files ... but it works fine with JPG

Please be sure to report this bug to the ml forum, right? https://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/issues/new

I understand you don't want to use ml on 5d3 right now, let alone in a production camera (though you can deactivate ml anytime by pressing SET when starting the camera)... I just couldn't live with the broken auto-iso with flash, so I use it on my 6D no matter the early stage.

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Re: POLL: The 2nd ff camera in 2014 will be...
« Reply #36 on: November 29, 2013, 04:00:05 PM »


And not to put too much a fine point on it, I'd say pecunia non olet as model policy is not driven by what makes sense, but what sells for what profit.

Exactly; that's why the 5D IV will be a very tightly guarded secret. There certainly won't be any 'announcements' regarding this untill it's about to bs launched, otherwise sales of the current - and very current at that - model would suffer.

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« Reply #36 on: November 29, 2013, 04:00:05 PM »

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« Reply #37 on: November 29, 2013, 04:52:25 PM »
i think you picked the perfect day for this thread...

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Re: POLL: The 2nd ff camera in 2014 will be...
« Reply #38 on: November 29, 2013, 05:46:26 PM »
even if this means an even more expensive 5d4 than the 5d3 was ($3500, shudder).
Yikes! ... Please God no more price increases.

Since I bought my 5D3 last year, the yen has fallen 25% against the US dollar.  That means that Canon effectively has an additional 25% headroom available to make changes to a model before they have to increase the price.

Or more likely, they can allow a 15% cost increase to improve the next model, and then have a larger percentage profit margin on it.  Win-Win.

Which makes an upgrade quite likely, if their facilities can handle it (didn't they have some problems after the tsunami?).


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Re: POLL: The 2nd ff camera in 2014 will be...
« Reply #39 on: November 29, 2013, 08:14:30 PM »
The probability of a 5D MK III replacement is really slim.

I mean, based upon what we've seen in the previous years, it is just unlikely or impossible.
It took more time to replace the 60D with the 70D, the CR1 rating is appropriate here.

A high MP camera probably. But something else?... Nhaaaaa
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Re: POLL: The 2nd ff camera in 2014 will be...
« Reply #40 on: November 29, 2013, 10:30:03 PM »
Since I bought my 5D3 last year, the yen has fallen 25% against the US dollar.  That means that Canon effectively has an additional 25% headroom available to make changes to a model before they have to increase the price...

No. With a multinational company like Canon, the impact of the exchange rate cannot be so simply explained. They have many expenses that are in U.S. dollars, as well of dozens of other currencies. To take just one small example: all of their U.S. expenses (salaries, shipping costs, discounts to dealers, advertising expenses, etc. etc.) must be paid in U.S. dollars, which means they become more expensive when the Yen falls in value.

The U.S. market is important, but not even the largest market for Canon products any more. An ever-growing percentage of their sales comes from China, while European sales also represent a substantial portion of their market as well. Just as in the U.S., they have substantial expenses in these markets that must be paid in the local currency.

It is a gross oversimplification to assume that changes in the exchange rate have so simple of an impact on expenses.
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Re: POLL: The 2nd ff camera in 2014 will be...
« Reply #41 on: November 30, 2013, 03:26:23 AM »
I see a high MP body but what I really want to see is some new glass. In particular a very fast IS Mid Telephoto prime. :P
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Re: POLL: The 2nd ff camera in 2014 will be...
« Reply #42 on: November 30, 2013, 03:55:21 AM »
Since I bought my 5D3 last year, the yen has fallen 25% against the US dollar.  That means that Canon effectively has an additional 25% headroom available to make changes to a model before they have to increase the price...

No. With a multinational company like Canon, the impact of the exchange rate cannot be so simply explained. They have many expenses that are in U.S. dollars, as well of dozens of other currencies. To take just one small example: all of their U.S. expenses (salaries, shipping costs, discounts to dealers, advertising expenses, etc. etc.) must be paid in U.S. dollars, which means they become more expensive when the Yen falls in value.

The U.S. market is important, but not even the largest market for Canon products any more. An ever-growing percentage of their sales comes from China, while European sales also represent a substantial portion of their market as well. Just as in the U.S., they have substantial expenses in these markets that must be paid in the local currency.

It is a gross oversimplification to assume that changes in the exchange rate have so simple of an impact on expenses.

Canon, being a multinational company, also maintains revenues in local currencies as well. One wouldn't necessarily have to assume that Yen has to be converted to USD in order for costs to be paid in USD. It may be that some Yen does have to be converted, but it also seems logical that the increased costs due to a falling Yen wouldn't always be incurred, given that there are a number of revenues gathered, and banked, in USD by Canon's US business arms.

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« Reply #42 on: November 30, 2013, 03:55:21 AM »

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« Reply #43 on: November 30, 2013, 04:07:34 AM »
I see a high MP body but what I really want to see is some new glass. In particular a very fast IS Mid Telephoto prime. :P

Indeed. IF there would be a 2nd ff body in 2014, A 5Ds not replacing but living along the 5D3 would make most sense. IF Canon intends to launch a 1Ds, I could see a similar high MP sensor in a non-1 body. A replacement for any of the 3 current FF bodies would not make much sense in my view.

Although I think that the added value of a high MP body is limited (for the majority of applications the current MP counts of Canon's FF bodies would suffice), from a marketing standpoint they probably have to go for higher MPs as competition is heading there as well.
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Re: POLL: The 2nd ff camera in 2014 will be...
« Reply #44 on: November 30, 2013, 04:21:25 AM »
These two cameras are fairly recent and I guess there's no need for early upgrade but between the two, I think a 6D2 with beefed up AF and some minor stuff would make an easy one.

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