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Don Haines

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Re: 5dIII vs 7D shoot out for bird photography at 600mm and cropping
« Reply #30 on: December 02, 2013, 09:23:56 AM »
How does It do at the wide end, landscape shooting? I use a waterproof DSC tx-5 now and its pretty good, the Dr is not the best but I am pleased with otherwise but it does not get out very far

For wide there is no comparison, DSLR all the way... plus (for me anyway) as a canoist I find that water and polarizing filters go hand-in-hand.
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Re: 5dIII vs 7D shoot out for bird photography at 600mm and cropping
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Re: 5dIII vs 7D shoot out for bird photography at 600mm and cropping
« Reply #31 on: December 02, 2013, 09:51:52 AM »
Don
I agree with you 100% about the SX50 as well as your comments about FF vs crop. There is a good review of the SX50 vs the Sony rival HX300, which the SX50 wins - http://www.cameralabs.com/reviews/Sony_Cyber-shot_HX300/index.shtml

When Canon introduces faster AF with a dual pixel sensor, the SX50 will be awesome.
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Re: 5dIII vs 7D shoot out for bird photography at 600mm and cropping
« Reply #32 on: December 02, 2013, 10:19:57 AM »
When all the gear heads were comparing the 7D to the 5D II a few years ago the end result found is that the 7D files and photo's could be PP to a point that you would have a slightly better photo than the 5D II when you were focal length limited.

The 7D had a superior AF system however, and this trumped the 5D II for shots that were moving and not focal length limited. (BIF)

With the 5D III the AF system advantage is gone, when and if a 7D II is released this debate will be open again.

Three to four years ago when everyone was making these comparisons you could have gotten a decent FF vs Crop debate going. It seems those days are past now.

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Re: 5dIII vs 7D shoot out for bird photography at 600mm and cropping
« Reply #33 on: December 02, 2013, 11:55:41 AM »
When all the gear heads were comparing the 7D to the 5D II a few years ago the end result found is that the 7D files and photo's could be PP to a point that you would have a slightly better photo than the 5D II when you were focal length limited.

…and shooting in good light.  At higher ISOs, the 5DII would win.  Below are a two sets of 'real world' images shown at 100%.  On the left is the 7D and on the right is the 1D X.  The first set are both at ISO 1600, the second set is ISO 3200 for the 7D and ISO 25600 for the 1D X.
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Re: 5dIII vs 7D shoot out for bird photography at 600mm and cropping
« Reply #34 on: December 02, 2013, 12:20:00 PM »
When all the gear heads were comparing the 7D to the 5D II a few years ago the end result found is that the 7D files and photo's could be PP to a point that you would have a slightly better photo than the 5D II when you were focal length limited.

…and shooting in good light.  At higher ISOs, the 5DII would win.  Below are a two sets of 'real world' images shown at 100%.  On the left is the 7D and on the right is the 1D X.  The first set are both at ISO 1600, the second set is ISO 3200 for the 7D and ISO 25600 for the 1D X.

In that situation the 5D II wouldn't win by a margin that would be significant enough to ignore the AF and frame rate advantage. If BIF are your thing anyway.

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Re: 5dIII vs 7D shoot out for bird photography at 600mm and cropping
« Reply #35 on: December 02, 2013, 12:28:48 PM »
In that situation the 5D II wouldn't win by a margin that would be significant enough to ignore the AF and frame rate advantage. If BIF are your thing anyway.

Totally agree.  That's why I kept the 7D after getting the 5DII.  But the reasons demostrated by AlanF and the differences shown above are why I sold the 7D after getting the 1D X. 
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Re: 5dIII vs 7D shoot out for bird photography at 600mm and cropping
« Reply #36 on: December 02, 2013, 01:57:40 PM »
In that situation the 5D II wouldn't win by a margin that would be significant enough to ignore the AF and frame rate advantage. If BIF are your thing anyway.

Totally agree.  That's why I kept the 7D after getting the 5DII.  But the reasons demostrated by AlanF and the differences shown above are why I sold the 7D after getting the 1D X.

The ISO and noise comparison wouldn't be as drastic an improvement with the 5D III.
With the new AF system in the 5D III I couldn't think of any reason to keep the 7D over it either.

Maybe we could get some debate on this thread if we were comparing the 7D vs the 6D.

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Re: 5dIII vs 7D shoot out for bird photography at 600mm and cropping
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Re: 5dIII vs 7D shoot out for bird photography at 600mm and cropping
« Reply #37 on: December 02, 2013, 02:30:11 PM »
In that situation the 5D II wouldn't win by a margin that would be significant enough to ignore the AF and frame rate advantage. If BIF are your thing anyway.

Totally agree.  That's why I kept the 7D after getting the 5DII.  But the reasons demostrated by AlanF and the differences shown above are why I sold the 7D after getting the 1D X.
The ISO and noise comparison wouldn't be as drastic an improvement with the 5D III.
With the new AF system in the 5D III I couldn't think of any reason to keep the 7D over it either.

Maybe we could get some debate on this thread if we were comparing the 7D vs the 6D.
Don't worry, after the 7D2 comes out it will start up again :)
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Re: 5dIII vs 7D shoot out for bird photography at 600mm and cropping
« Reply #38 on: December 02, 2013, 05:08:26 PM »
Hi
Interesting thread. I'm also wondering about IQ after cropping, which is essential for my wildlife photography.
And I really wonder if 5d3 can give me something that 1D4 can't vs 7D.
I started a similar thread at dpreview forum a few days ago in the 1d, 5d forum. The best answer I got was the link to this thread  :) :)
I have a 7D and a 1D4. My findings: Without much cropping the IQ from 1D4 is better, of course. However, in reach limited situations where heavy cropping is needed, I find 7D to give better IQ up to about 3200 iso. After that 1D4 gives more details and less noise.

Here is a comparison I did:

Test setup:
7D+300mm+2xtc @ f6.3 vs 1D4+300mm+2xtc @f6.3
Distance to target about 30 feet, Live view AF, 10 sec time delay, Raw, ACR, No NR.
7D image resampled down to 1D4 resolution.
100% crops.
iso 1600. (Could'nt post iso 800 and iso 3200 due to size limit..., if anyone interested I can post separately)

1D4 left, 7D right

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Re: 5dIII vs 7D shoot out for bird photography at 600mm and cropping
« Reply #39 on: December 02, 2013, 06:40:06 PM »
Don
I agree with you 100% about the SX50 as well as your comments about FF vs crop. There is a good review of the SX50 vs the Sony rival HX300, which the SX50 wins - http://www.cameralabs.com/reviews/Sony_Cyber-shot_HX300/index.shtml

When Canon introduces faster AF with a dual pixel sensor, the SX50 will be awesome.
Alan

I am going to get one for boundary waters trips where we take titanium sporks to save weight. An 8 lb tele is just not practical there and this camera looks like the best "all in one" solution, maybe I can get some nice moose pics then.
Thanks for the input

ps. its $349 at buydig, i just paid $180 for a b&w 105mm mrc clear filter. jeez margie!
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Re: 5dIII vs 7D shoot out for bird photography at 600mm and cropping
« Reply #40 on: December 02, 2013, 11:55:52 PM »
When all the gear heads were comparing the 7D to the 5D II a few years ago the end result found is that the 7D files and photo's could be PP to a point that you would have a slightly better photo than the 5D II when you were focal length limited.

…and shooting in good light.  At higher ISOs, the 5DII would win.  Below are a two sets of 'real world' images shown at 100%.  On the left is the 7D and on the right is the 1D X.  The first set are both at ISO 1600, the second set is ISO 3200 for the 7D and ISO 25600 for the 1D X.

The 1Dx certainly holds its own there. I have to wonder what a comparison with the 70D or something like the D7100 would look like.
Anyway, If the trend of more pixel dense sensors performing better in tight cropping continues to hold true, I can't wait for the 7D2.

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Re: 5dIII vs 7D shoot out for bird photography at 600mm and cropping
« Reply #41 on: December 03, 2013, 04:27:45 AM »
It would be fun to test an SX50 body adapted so it would fit on to a 300mm f/2.8 to give an effective fov of 1675mm or, in terms of pixel size 1200mm. Using the sharpest Canon lens at f/2.8, instead of the f/6.5 of the SX50 zoom (which has a true focal length of 215mm) might give some interesting insights.
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Re: 5dIII vs 7D shoot out for bird photography at 600mm and cropping
« Reply #41 on: December 03, 2013, 04:27:45 AM »