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Re: Bikini on the beach
« Reply #75 on: December 22, 2013, 07:25:18 AM »
.... but, I've been told repeatedly that when someone KNOWS what they're doing with flash, you can't really tell they used it.  I've yet to see an example of that myself, but I've had my eyes open for it.  Until then, I prefer natural lighting.



So, window light, studio light, off camera Speedlite or on camera Speedlite?
I'll bite....on camera Speedlite bounced off a wall?
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Re: Bikini on the beach
« Reply #75 on: December 22, 2013, 07:25:18 AM »

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Re: Bikini on the beach
« Reply #76 on: December 22, 2013, 07:58:47 AM »
I saw that adorama was selling a 72 inch umbrella for $50 on black friday... and I was tempted... but I think a 72 inch umbrella @ the beach would wind up being a $50 kite that doesn't really fly well, but will keep on going until it reaches in land.
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Re: Bikini on the beach
« Reply #77 on: December 22, 2013, 08:01:38 AM »
.... but, I've been told repeatedly that when someone KNOWS what they're doing with flash, you can't really tell they used it.  I've yet to see an example of that myself, but I've had my eyes open for it.  Until then, I prefer natural lighting.

So, window light, studio light, off camera Speedlite or on camera Speedlite?

I'll say... almost all of the above.  I'm sure there was a window... but that probably didn't contribute to the lighting of the image primarily... I want to say some fill flash with on camera using a diffuser, and then off camera lighting... maybe a speedlite and umbrella to the left of the subject... so... maybe not studio light...
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Re: Bikini on the beach
« Reply #78 on: December 22, 2013, 08:38:15 AM »
So, window light, studio light, off camera Speedlite or on camera Speedlite?

A nice combination of window or other large soft/diffuse lighting to the left providing main light source with subtle camera mounted fill flash - flash exposure compensation dialed in, say -2 or more.  Flash to the left of camera in portrait mode.

Speedlite hint - notice 1) the lighting on her right hand and shadow from her right hand on her shirt, 2) the lighting on the bag in the near left foreground and shadow it casts on her right forearm.  A diffuser on the speedlite fill might help soften the shadows lines.

I like outdoor fill flash when it doesn't overpower or conflict with the natural lighting.  A little FEC can be used to remove the dark shadows and isolate the subject from the background. 
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Re: Bikini on the beach
« Reply #79 on: December 22, 2013, 09:08:04 AM »

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Re: Bikini on the beach
« Reply #80 on: December 22, 2013, 12:33:04 PM »

So, window light, studio light, off camera Speedlite or on camera Speedlite?

Having an incline for PBD's techniques I say it's a single on camera speedlite, but angled to the left and back to bounce from a lasolite or something similar. In fact you can see the reflector in the model's eyes. Gives a very soft 'window' light but without the low EV issues.

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Re: Bikini on the beach
« Reply #81 on: December 22, 2013, 09:36:32 PM »
Thanks to the people who made a guess at my challenge.

Obviously I posted in a slightly confrontational way directed at jebrady03 because of the silly claim (since clarified)

"but, I've been told repeatedly that when someone KNOWS what they're doing with flash, you can't really tell they used it.  I've yet to see an example of that myself, but I've had my eyes open for it."

Not least because of the inability to prove it to yourself. If you can't tell they used it, well, then you can't tell! You might have viewed thousands of images that have it, so it was really a challenge to your deconstruction skills. By your answer, jebrady03, I would take longer honing those than making blanket statements  ;)

It was shot with one on camera flash bounced off the wall to picture left, camera in M mode, flash in ETTL (far and away the best camera/flash starting point and setup), no FEC and zero ambient (because of the green fluorescent bulbs). The wall it was bounced off was a tool hanging wall lined with brown pegboard. I used a small piece of black foam paper and rubber band to make a scrim to stop any light going directly onto the subject (which I learnt from here).

All in it is very interesting to see the variety of answers and several of them could have been right, and some were. It just goes to show unless you are very experienced and you have confidence that not too much post process disguising, layering, or adjusting has gone on it can be incredibly difficult to identify even simple lighting setups, and I am not placing myself on a higher pedestal here. Were I asked the same question the extraneous shadow dcm pointed out would have thrown me, there shouldn't be a hard shadow there, it must have gotten a spurious bounce from a closer object.

Now I will have to find a daylight/flash combo to test jebrady and anybody else up for a challenge.  :)
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Re: Bikini on the beach
« Reply #81 on: December 22, 2013, 09:36:32 PM »

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Re: Bikini on the beach
« Reply #82 on: January 13, 2014, 06:04:22 AM »
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Re: Bikini on the beach
« Reply #83 on: January 13, 2014, 08:57:57 AM »
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Beautiful model, but the lighting does not allow to see details of the face. There seems to be off-camera flash but the reflection of the sun on the water is so strong that it is difficult to tame. :( Maybe a CPL filter help?
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Re: Bikini on the beach
« Reply #84 on: January 13, 2014, 09:07:25 AM »
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Beautiful model, but the lighting does not allow to see details of the face. There seems to be off-camera flash but the reflection of the sun on the water is so strong that it is difficult to tame. :( Maybe a CPL filter help?
Face?  Oh.. I didn't realize she had a face.   :P
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Re: Bikini on the beach
« Reply #85 on: January 13, 2014, 09:10:33 AM »
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Nice, its funny how few of these pictures look like they were posed or just taken remotely or soothey....

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Re: Bikini on the beach
« Reply #86 on: January 13, 2014, 09:12:58 AM »
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Beautiful model, but the lighting does not allow to see details of the face. There seems to be off-camera flash but the reflection of the sun on the water is so strong that it is difficult to tame. :( Maybe a CPL filter help?
Face?  Oh.. I didn't realize she had a face.   :P


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Re: Bikini on the beach
« Reply #87 on: January 13, 2014, 11:39:29 AM »
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Beautiful model, but the lighting does not allow to see details of the face. There seems to be off-camera flash but the reflection of the sun on the water is so strong that it is difficult to tame. :( Maybe a CPL filter help?

So? Not every picture has to follow the mold of "rules".

I think this picture is perfect the way it is. Yes, the face is a little dark, so what? Not every shot HAS to look like it was shot in a studio. I think the slight silhouette treatment works VERY well, it gives a sort of mysterious look to the photo.

This is photography. There is an art element to it. Not everything photo should be "perfectly" lit IMHO. The B&W treatment also adds alot. Bonus points to the photographer in my book.

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Re: Bikini on the beach
« Reply #87 on: January 13, 2014, 11:39:29 AM »

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Re: Bikini on the beach
« Reply #88 on: January 13, 2014, 12:15:26 PM »
For me... her legs are what catch my eye which leads upwards to her torso/chest... then finally her face. For me... since her face isn't the main subject, I don't think the current way it is lit/developed/exposed is a problem. 
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Re: Bikini on the beach
« Reply #89 on: January 13, 2014, 12:55:41 PM »
For me... her legs are what catch my eye which leads upwards to her torso/chest... then finally her face. For me... since her face isn't the main subject, I don't think the current way it is lit/developed/exposed is a problem.
I understand that some photos have a magnetism that directs our eyes to a certain body part. ::) But after carefully observe the image for a long time, I would like to see the face of the owner of that body. ;) Sorry to get away from the topic bikini, but we try to look at the face of Brazilian singer Anitta. :P

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Re: Bikini on the beach
« Reply #89 on: January 13, 2014, 12:55:41 PM »