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Re: Canon 24-105 vs canon 24-70 ii
« Reply #15 on: December 09, 2013, 03:19:27 AM »
There is no comparision between these two. The 24-70 II IQ is not same league as 24-105 - MUCH BETTER of course.

If you plan to shoot f8 to f11, then stay with 24-105. Otherwise, the 24-70 II is wonderful lens from wide open to f8 - at least on my copy.

Even if you shoot f/8-f/11 as I often did for landscapes. Both the 24 1.4 II and 24-70 II do hugely better even f/8-f//11 at 24mm than the 24-105mm on FF from what I've personally seen.

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Re: Canon 24-105 vs canon 24-70 ii
« Reply #15 on: December 09, 2013, 03:19:27 AM »

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Re: Canon 24-105 vs canon 24-70 ii
« Reply #16 on: December 09, 2013, 06:23:10 AM »
I am a recent convert to the 24-70 II.  Actually, I am still looking for my "good copy."  So I'd agree with the QA/QC issues.  But, in addition to IQ, I wanted to add that the 24-70 II also has much faster AF, especially in low light, and I believe is focusing in much less light than the 24-105 on my 5DIII.  Both of these are likely to be expected as the 24-70 II enables the f/2.8 AF points, but it is a noticeable improvement. 

So, in addition to IQ, I am seeing improvements in AF.

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Re: Canon 24-105 vs canon 24-70 ii
« Reply #17 on: December 09, 2013, 06:59:37 AM »
But, in addition to IQ, I wanted to add that the 24-70 II also has much faster AF, especially in low light, and I believe is focusing in much less light than the 24-105 on my 5DIII.

I'd like to stress the "5d3" part because only 1dx/5d3 are able to make use of the latest lenses (70-300L, 24-70ii) more precise af system, and the 24-70ii is designed in conjunction with the 5d3/1dx af system (lens groups) in mind... there are lensrentals articles on this.

Both means that if buying a 24-70ii for a 6d you're throwing part of your money away and it's a good idea to consider a Tamron as an alternative, I guess that's part of the reason why Canon bundles the 24-105 with the 6d and released a 24-70/4 which doesn't run into the 6d's af problems and at least has IS.

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Re: Canon 24-105 vs canon 24-70 ii
« Reply #18 on: December 09, 2013, 08:48:05 AM »
This question keeps crossing my mind as well. And I keep watching the price of the 24-70. I think it's still too pricy for what it is. Yes, optically it's great but I don't like the plastic build quality.

But once it reaches the original price of the version one - maybe. I have the 24-105 and it is a really good lens. My only issue with it that it's f/4 which for what I often do limits its usefulness. IS is pointless in my book.

So the best use for it is landscape stuff (which I rarely do) and standard studio type portraits.

For that it is actually very good believe it or not. Maybe I lucked out with a sharper copy but there are are really no issues. Excellent value lens.

Still thinking to add a good version 1 24-70 at some point.
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Re: Canon 24-105 vs canon 24-70 ii
« Reply #19 on: December 09, 2013, 07:51:32 PM »
If one can wait, it probably is best to wait on the 24-70 II...  I personally am not buying one because of the plethora of QA issues Canon apparently refuses to fix.  If they fixed them, okay, but they seem to be refusing repair and stating things are in spec when they clearly are not.

That being said, if you can actually get a good copy that does not squeak, click, is not decentered and does not have a bubble in the element - then you have arguably the best standard zoom out there by far.

Myself, I am going to stick with the 24-105 for now and wait well into 2014 until these QA issues are sorted.  Maybe I'll even see a price drop or IS version while I wait.

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Re: Canon 24-105 vs canon 24-70 ii
« Reply #20 on: December 09, 2013, 09:56:17 PM »
Thank you everyone for your input.  Much appreciated.

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Re: Canon 24-105 vs canon 24-70 ii
« Reply #21 on: December 10, 2013, 02:32:30 AM »
If they fixed them, okay, but they seem to be refusing repair and stating things are in spec when they clearly are not.

To what (public) spec are you referring to?

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Re: Canon 24-105 vs canon 24-70 ii
« Reply #21 on: December 10, 2013, 02:32:30 AM »

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Re: Canon 24-105 vs canon 24-70 ii
« Reply #22 on: December 11, 2013, 01:32:45 AM »
I love my 24-70ii.  I was going through the last year of photos to make a book for the grandparents and I can tell looking at the photos when I got the lens.  Colors are richer with it than with the 24-105.
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Re: Canon 24-105 vs canon 24-70 ii
« Reply #23 on: December 13, 2013, 10:38:54 PM »
If it's your only lens, than 24-105 is a far better choice.

If you use 70-105 range for portraits, or like to carry only one lens with you, 24-105 is a far better choice.

In any other case, 24-70 blows it out of the water.

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Re: Canon 24-105 vs canon 24-70 ii
« Reply #24 on: December 21, 2013, 05:05:47 PM »
there is more copy to copy variation than you'd like for a lens that price

Variation regarding what kind of issues? Sharpness or decentering? How does one go about testing for it?
Thanks for the advice, in advance.
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Re: Canon 24-105 vs canon 24-70 ii
« Reply #25 on: December 23, 2013, 12:32:54 PM »
I had a 24-105 for years and really enjoyed it... But the 24-70 II is significantly better. Quite a jump in IQ across the entire zoom range.


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Re: Canon 24-105 vs canon 24-70 ii
« Reply #26 on: December 23, 2013, 03:35:37 PM »
But, in addition to IQ, I wanted to add that the 24-70 II also has much faster AF, especially in low light, and I believe is focusing in much less light than the 24-105 on my 5DIII.

I'd like to stress the "5d3" part because only 1dx/5d3 are able to make use of the latest lenses (70-300L, 24-70ii) more precise af system, and the 24-70ii is designed in conjunction with the 5d3/1dx af system (lens groups) in mind... there are lensrentals articles on this.

Both means that if buying a 24-70ii for a 6d you're throwing part of your money away and it's a good idea to consider a Tamron as an alternative, I guess that's part of the reason why Canon bundles the 24-105 with the 6d and released a 24-70/4 which doesn't run into the 6d's af problems and at least has IS.

I don't think that's correct, for two reasons:

First, AFAIK, all cameras benefit from the extra light gathering when it comes to focusing in the dark.  Cameras open the lenses up to their widest settings while focusing, and if the widest setting is wider, those AF sensors see more light, which means the camera is more likely to successfully focus when shooting in low light conditions.

Second, as I understand it, the 6D's center point has increased accuracy when used with f/2.8 and faster lenses, so there's a pretty significant benefit to the faster lens even in normal light, assuming you're using the center point.

With that said, YMMV.

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Re: Canon 24-105 vs canon 24-70 ii
« Reply #27 on: December 23, 2013, 04:37:18 PM »
I really like my 24-105. It's a great lens, but from all I've read the 24-70 is playing a different game. The only reason I don't have it yet is budget. Hopefully next year. After that, my collection will be complete for all the stuff I do today.

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Re: Canon 24-105 vs canon 24-70 ii
« Reply #27 on: December 23, 2013, 04:37:18 PM »

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Re: Canon 24-105 vs canon 24-70 ii
« Reply #28 on: December 24, 2013, 02:20:26 AM »
I'm a happy use of a 5DmkII + 24-105 too. I've just finished a photobook from a holiday in which the maximum print size was 30x45cm. The pictures look great.

Offcourse I think the 24-70II produces sharper images but I should you are allowed to expect that from a twice more expensive lens. Which Lightroom I can sharpen my images (or maybe with software like Nik) which gives me pictures I like. I would prefer the spend the saved money on an additional UWA lens or other stuff

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Re: Canon 24-105 vs canon 24-70 ii
« Reply #29 on: December 24, 2013, 07:10:12 PM »
There is simply no better lens than the 24-70 II.
It matches most primes in quality and in one package.
It's the ONLY lens I own. Coupled to my 1DX, I have to say I am seeing the best output ever.
The 24-105 has a little more range but I rented one for a week and was very very disappointed. Too many missed focus photos and not the sharpest.
I also rented a 50mm 1.2L, a 135 2.0L, a 35mm 1.8 and nothing could replace my 24-70.
The only other lens I would consider is the 70-200 F2.8L II which I used and absolutely loved. But I have no need for it.
My only complain about the 24-70 2.8L II vs the old 24-70 is the minimum focusing distance. It was shorter before.
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Re: Canon 24-105 vs canon 24-70 ii
« Reply #29 on: December 24, 2013, 07:10:12 PM »