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Re: Canon 24-105 vs canon 24-70 ii
« Reply #45 on: December 26, 2013, 12:02:37 PM »
I just got the 24-70mkii and sold my 24-105. Never really have a use for it. I like using prime and got the 24-70mk2. Thinking I would not need to use my prime lenses any more. I was right I havent use any of my primes. The 24-70 never leaves my camera, but lately Ive been disappointed on the AF on my 6D. While it was good using the center AF only and just started using the outer af as my baby starts to walk. I also get inconsistent focus on the center unless my subject is completely still. So I end up ordering the 5D mk3 and will be getting rid of the 6D. Hope its all worth it. 
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Re: Canon 24-105 vs canon 24-70 ii
« Reply #45 on: December 26, 2013, 12:02:37 PM »

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Re: Canon 24-105 vs canon 24-70 ii
« Reply #46 on: December 26, 2013, 12:20:06 PM »
I just got the 24-70mkii and sold my 24-105. Never really have a use for it. I like using prime and got the 24-70mk2. Thinking I would not need to use my prime lenses any more. I was right I havent use any of my primes. The 24-70 never leaves my camera, but lately Ive been disappointed on the AF on my 6D. While it was good using the center AF only and just started using the outer af as my baby starts to walk. I also get inconsistent focus on the center unless my subject is completely still. So I end up ordering the 5D mk3 and will be getting rid of the 6D. Hope its all worth it.

I haven't used the 6D in the field, but coming from the 60D to the 5Diii I can tell you the difference is night and day. All of my autofocus complaints disappeared when I made the upgrade.

As far as the 24-70ii versus the 24-105, there's no comparison. I've owned several copies of the 24-105, one of which was very sharp. But I just got the 24-70ii and it's the clear winner in IQ and AF speed.
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Re: Canon 24-105 vs canon 24-70 ii
« Reply #47 on: December 26, 2013, 04:55:56 PM »
I owned a 24-105 for 18 months before buying a 24-70 II in July.  I kept both lenses for several months and ended up selling my 24-105 in the fall.  I found I always reached for the 24-70 for its sharpness and "look" of the pictures.  The IQ of the 24-70 II is just much, much better.

But, in addition to IQ, I wanted to add that the 24-70 II also has much faster AF, especially in low light, and I believe is focusing in much less light than the 24-105 on my 5DIII.

I'd like to stress the "5d3" part because only 1dx/5d3 are able to make use of the latest lenses (70-300L, 24-70ii) more precise af system, and the 24-70ii is designed in conjunction with the 5d3/1dx af system (lens groups) in mind... there are lensrentals articles on this.

Both means that if buying a 24-70ii for a 6d you're throwing part of your money away and it's a good idea to consider a Tamron as an alternative, I guess that's part of the reason why Canon bundles the 24-105 with the 6d and released a 24-70/4 which doesn't run into the 6d's af problems and at least has IS.

I don't agree.  Auto focus with my 24-70 II on my 6D is super fast and accurate, even in very low light.  I did some unscientific side-by-side IQ and auto focus comparisons with both lenses and felt the 24-70 II AF performed better. 


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Re: Canon 24-105 vs canon 24-70 ii
« Reply #48 on: December 26, 2013, 05:20:12 PM »
Yes only accurate on the center AF just like I said. And thats about it. Its total crap using the outer AF specially in low light.
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Re: Canon 24-105 vs canon 24-70 ii
« Reply #49 on: December 26, 2013, 09:56:58 PM »
Yes only accurate on the center AF just like I said. And thats about it. Its total crap using the outer AF specially in low light.

I find the outer AF points to be usable in decent light. It's not a great AF system, but certainly good enough for my purposes and many others. If you need a better AF system than the 6D, Canon has some good options (1D series, 5D3, 70D).
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Re: Canon 24-105 vs canon 24-70 ii
« Reply #50 on: December 27, 2013, 07:18:27 AM »
Update:  Purchased a 24-70ii.  Have used it for a couple weeks now.

Here are my thoughts:   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Will be selling my 24-105....

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Re: Canon 24-105 vs canon 24-70 ii
« Reply #51 on: January 02, 2014, 09:55:27 PM »
Awesome, congrats on your new lens!    :)
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Re: Canon 24-105 vs canon 24-70 ii
« Reply #51 on: January 02, 2014, 09:55:27 PM »

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Re: Canon 24-105 vs canon 24-70 ii
« Reply #52 on: January 02, 2014, 11:21:29 PM »
I just got the 24-70mkii and sold my 24-105. Never really have a use for it. I like using prime and got the 24-70mk2. Thinking I would not need to use my prime lenses any more. I was right I havent use any of my primes. The 24-70 never leaves my camera, but lately Ive been disappointed on the AF on my 6D. While it was good using the center AF only and just started using the outer af as my baby starts to walk. I also get inconsistent focus on the center unless my subject is completely still. So I end up ordering the 5D mk3 and will be getting rid of the 6D. Hope its all worth it.

I used to recompose my shots with 5D II(on/off focus results). Now with 5D III, I only use 41 combination of dual and cross AF points. Recompose shot is almost down to none. Nail it every times.

Once you shoot with 5D III, I don't think you want to shoot anything else - except 1D x ;D

To me, putting extra $1000ish to get much better AF system is worth every penny.
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Re: Canon 24-105 vs canon 24-70 ii
« Reply #53 on: January 02, 2014, 11:29:15 PM »
Update:  Purchased a 24-70ii.  Have used it for a couple weeks now.

Here are my thoughts:   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Will be selling my 24-105....

"Will be selling my 24-105...." ==> I'm not surprised at all ::)

Congrats...post some pics ;D
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Re: Canon 24-105 vs canon 24-70 ii
« Reply #54 on: January 03, 2014, 08:17:40 AM »
I've had my 24-70 for 6 months now....sold the 24-105.  The 24-70 is much sharper, and the AF seems quicker.

Shot some basketball in pretty bad light recently.

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Re: Canon 24-105 vs canon 24-70 ii
« Reply #55 on: January 03, 2014, 08:56:03 AM »
I just got the 24-70mkii and sold my 24-105. Never really have a use for it. I like using prime and got the 24-70mk2. Thinking I would not need to use my prime lenses any more. I was right I havent use any of my primes. The 24-70 never leaves my camera, but lately Ive been disappointed on the AF on my 6D. While it was good using the center AF only and just started using the outer af as my baby starts to walk. I also get inconsistent focus on the center unless my subject is completely still. So I end up ordering the 5D mk3 and will be getting rid of the 6D. Hope its all worth it.

I used to recompose my shots with 5D II(on/off focus results). Now with 5D III, I only use 41 combination of dual and cross AF points. Recompose shot is almost down to none. Nail it every times.

Once you shoot with 5D III, I don't think you want to shoot anything else - except 1D x ;D

To me, putting extra $1000ish to get much better AF system is worth every penny.


Interesting how experiences can vary. I sent the 5diii back with the feeling that there was no real life difference over my 5dii. After reviewing the results from an event I shot with both cameras I had no desire to upgrade at all.
Yes, the focus of course is faster. But especially having all these extra AF points in the same confined area around the center provided no benefit in my book. If anything it slowed emu down having to scroll through too many of them.
I'd like to see fewer AF points but further spread out across the screen.

But then again I have a feeling that future models will have even more "features" that I have no use for.
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Re: Canon 24-105 vs canon 24-70 ii
« Reply #56 on: January 03, 2014, 11:23:30 AM »

Interesting how experiences can vary. I sent the 5diii back with the feeling that there was no real life difference over my 5dii. After reviewing the results from an event I shot with both cameras I had no desire to upgrade at all.
Yes, the focus of course is faster. But especially having all these extra AF points in the same confined area around the center provided no benefit in my book. If anything it slowed emu down having to scroll through too many of them.
I'd like to see fewer AF points but further spread out across the screen.

But then again I have a feeling that future models will have even more "features" that I have no use for.

Yes, they will, and perhaps include sensors so overloaded with pixels as to be of little practical use for most people.  And I agree with you about AF points.  I added a 6D to my 5DII for the better image quality and then replaced my 5DII with a 5DIII mainly to be better able to avoid focus/recompose and there seems little doubt that, as dslr focusing experiences go, the 5DIII/1Dx are still the best (better, anyway, than the Nikon equivalents in my limited - rental - experience).   But the focus points still take up a small portion of the screen.  I've also bought an Olympus OM-D, whose focus points are almost edge-to-edge and which focuses very fast and accurately and, as I have little interest in photographing things that move, must say that from that point of view it beats any dslr I've used.  (Such coverage may require the camera to be mirrorless, but it's obviously the case that not all mirrorless cameras are good at it; I've recently been trying a Fuji X-e1 which has worse coverage and shockingly inaccurate autofocus - except for fairly large things close-up I've given up and resorted to manual focusing instead.)

As for the two lenses, I'm sure the new 24-70 is sharper, and for all I know it does windows too.  It's not for me, though, and I don't think it would be if it were half the price.  Perhaps I'm weird, but I find the range limiting at both ends, prefer to have IS and while there are obviously types of photography where maximum sharpness is important, I seldom take photos myself where minor differences in sharpness matter (sure, I often look at photos I've taken with some lenses and say to myself "wow, that's sharp", but the nagging question "so what?" is never that far away).  Maybe I have an unusually good copy of the 24-105, but on all three FF Canons I've owned the images it makes are sharp enough that I'm disinclined to complain and I've had no problems at all with either speed or accuracy focusing in very low light; even though I have much faster lenses, and even though it's certainly not my favorite lens, it's probably my go-to lens for wandering around town at night - like the Energizer Bunny it just works....

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Re: Canon 24-105 vs canon 24-70 ii
« Reply #57 on: January 03, 2014, 12:01:41 PM »
Who here has upgraded from the 24-105 to the 24-70 ii?  What are your thoughts and was it worth the change?

I have extensive experience with my 24-105. It's my favorite landscape lens and have shot with it for years. Always been a touch soft in my opinion, but nothing I could not get past in post.

I don't care about IS. This is a pretty short lens and most of my shooting with it is tripod mount.

If you don't care about IS...

24-105 PROs
-Goes from wide to portrait range vs 24-70II that doesn't quite make it to portrait range.
-Only ~$700 new, thus if you are travelling or want to bring less expensive gear, it is desirable
-Lighter than 24-70 II
-Can use your existing 77mm filters

24-105 CONs
-Significantly softer than the 24-70 II, especially in corners
-More distortion than 24-70 II, especially at 24mm
-Slower lens


So, optically the 24-70 II is much better.  Since you are using tripod, IS is not of use.  But, if you are in a case where you only want to bring one lens and you will have both landscape & portrait shots the 24-105 is superior - the 24-70 II simply cannot cover that extra range.  Also, the 24-105 is best when you want a lighter, less valuable lens that still takes great photos.
24 70 II are too good
i have 5D3 kit come with 24 105 and it not always sharp , i usually doing at F8 / F5.6 . for narrower DOF i have sigma 35 , sigma  50 ,canon 85L prime and a 70 200 2.8II . it is sad that my 24 105 was like T stop 5.6 , darker than i expected , overall going with F5.6 are quite good . also i have decent DOF by 105 @F4 which aperature was like 25mm same as 24 70 2.8 @70 2.8 . btw 105 i will have different view angle and for macro shot ,older 24 70 2.8 I blew me away while we both using F8

24 105 are cheap now , get one and it is a good lens (only without fast aperture , muti-purpose lens )

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Re: Canon 24-105 vs canon 24-70 ii
« Reply #57 on: January 03, 2014, 12:01:41 PM »

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Re: Canon 24-105 vs canon 24-70 ii
« Reply #58 on: July 18, 2014, 08:45:56 AM »
I just bought Canon 24-70 f2.8 II - and it's super sharp! Almost like  my 70-200 L II.
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Re: Canon 24-105 vs canon 24-70 ii
« Reply #59 on: July 18, 2014, 10:29:19 AM »
A lens that is 7 years newer and costs 3x as much should be superior in every way.

24-105 is all the general purpose zoom I need. Don't forget the price of the 24-70 II (or 70-200 2.8 II for that matter) = a 24-105 + 70-200 f/4 IS + 85mm 1.8 and those are all rock solid lenses.
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Re: Canon 24-105 vs canon 24-70 ii
« Reply #59 on: July 18, 2014, 10:29:19 AM »