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Re: Thinking of swapping a 5d3 for a 1D4.....
« Reply #30 on: December 12, 2013, 05:05:49 AM »
My initial view would be Don't do it, if I read your Post correctly you mention the opportunity to clean swap a 5DMK III for a 1DMK IV, so my view would be, don't do it.

I own all 3 Camera Bodies and use them mostly for Wildlife (+ the 5DMK II) I never sell a Good Camera, it's like selling your children.

When I was using the 5DMK II + 1DMK IV, the 1 DMK IV was the King for me, 10fps, weather sealed, much better AF System than the 5DMK II, and the big big decider, 1.3 Crop.

The only thing the 5DMK II had that was better, was a larger MP file.

But then along came the 5DMK III, suddenly I was finding I was using the 5DMK III more than the 1DMK IV, the 5DMK III had a 61 point AF system, larger file size, Ok weather sealing, the 1D MK IV became the back up to the 5DMK III.

Then along came the 1Dx, I bought 2 Bodies, never take the 1DMK IV anywhere anymore, and use the 5DMK III as a back up.

But, this is wildlife Photography, with the occasional Landscape thrown in, street scenes if I'm stuck in a City between flights to another place that has Wildlife, and if a slow Bird flies past, some BIF Images.
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Re: Thinking of swapping a 5d3 for a 1D4.....
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Re: Thinking of swapping a 5d3 for a 1D4.....
« Reply #31 on: December 12, 2013, 05:22:55 AM »
Wow.  If you could find an even swap, your 5D Mark III for a 1D Mark IV, I would do it in a heartbeat, assuming the 1D Mark IV is in excellent shape.  I paid around $2350 from my 5D Mark III.  Good 1D Mark IVs are going for $3K+.  I've owned both, both are great cameras.  If you need low light, full frame, you can pick up a used or refurb 6D later for $1400 or less.  My two cents.
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Re: Thinking of swapping a 5d3 for a 1D4.....
« Reply #32 on: December 12, 2013, 07:53:53 AM »
I totally agree with the likelihood that the 1 Series use higher tier componentry.   There must be some reason people claim that 1 Series RAW files can be pushed and pulled more than lower tier bodies.

I use the spot focus feature tons so that's a knock against the 1D4.

You're probably right that the 1D4 may retain more value long term given that it is the last in the line of APS-H bodies and is very popular among wildlife photogs.  No doubt it is a great camera.  Just not convinced yet that it would be a step up from the 5D3 -- perhaps more of a lateral move....I mean I realize the build quality and FPS are an advantage but as has been discussed it does lose out on the 5D3 for some features (5D3 has 2 more cross type points, spot focus, low light servo performance).

Yes, for some reason, 1D files can be manipulated more in post, at least in my limited experience. I also think Canon files can be messed with a bit more in DPP than Lightroom, for example. But, Lightroom wins in the interface department.

I think the files look different, too.

It is possible, given good exposures to start with, that the 5DIII file can be cropped to match a 1DIV file with no loss in IQ. It may be possible to do the same with a 1DX file- crop it to a 1.3x FOV with no loss in IQ. The "reach" arguments are going away as technology marches forward.

I have noticed that Canon seems to be splitting up feature sets across the product line. Note the stellar center point in the 6D vs other current FF offerings. But, Canon made the body smaller than the 5DIII, which isn't appealing to me.

If low light AF performance and spot focus without a Big White are important, then a 1DIV isn't an upgrade over a 5DIII.

There are 3rd party focus screens available for the 5DIII, but ease of use doesn't come to mind. If focus screen use is of importance, then the 1DIV becomes an upgrade over a 5DIII.

The 1DIV also lacks all of the cool stuff that can be done with current Canon RT flashes through the camera menu. Although it may be possible to address this with a firmware update, it hasn't happened yet.

Given current offerings, the 1DX is the only one that has limited occurances of the word "or" when describing feature comparisons between current models.

The one major thing that the 1DIV has over the 5DIII is value in the used market. If the 1DIV is in good to excellent shape, you can flip it with little effort, and get more funding towards a 1DX or try out a 6D.

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Re: Thinking of swapping a 5d3 for a 1D4.....
« Reply #33 on: December 12, 2013, 08:52:08 AM »
I misinterpreted the question.  The 1D4 is NOT a step up above the 5D3.  The 5D3 I think overall, in more general situations, will give superior IQ.  If you put a 5D3 on a 400 f/2.8L II IS lens and then the 1D4 on the same lens, the 5D3 would have better IQ, especially if you are 1.3x closer to your subject.

the 5d is not 1.3x closer to the subject it s that much further away

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Re: Thinking of swapping a 5d3 for a 1D4.....
« Reply #34 on: December 12, 2013, 09:11:58 AM »
Anyone have any thoughts on this crazy idea?

Depends on what is most important to you.  If you find yourself needing the extra reach and the 10FPS, then it might make sense.  However, for landscapes and portraits, I for one would want a full frame camera.  Also, it would be good for you to go to a local shop that might have a 1D IV to try out.  I for one think that once you get used to the menu system and the AF layout of the 5D III, going to a 1D IV might seem awkward and a step back.

6FP is not all that bad.  I have captured some amazing wildlife and sporting shots with a 5D III.  I have a 1Dx now, and soon to have 6D.  But the 5D III is a wonderful camera!  If the buffering is the only issue, you might invest in a new CF card, a Lexar Professional 1000x 32GB or higher (the 16GB are artificially slowed down).  Also take out the SD card that  you might have in the 5D III.  I believe leaving an SD in causes the bus to slow down even for the high speed CF card.  Give that a go and see if you need something more. 

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Re: Thinking of swapping a 5d3 for a 1D4.....
« Reply #35 on: December 12, 2013, 09:39:45 AM »
I misinterpreted the question.  The 1D4 is NOT a step up above the 5D3.  The 5D3 I think overall, in more general situations, will give superior IQ.  If you put a 5D3 on a 400 f/2.8L II IS lens and then the 1D4 on the same lens, the 5D3 would have better IQ, especially if you are 1.3x closer to your subject.

the 5d is not 1.3x closer to the subject it s that much further away

Uhhhhhhhh.  That's what I said.

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Re: Thinking of swapping a 5d3 for a 1D4.....
« Reply #36 on: December 12, 2013, 10:05:23 AM »
I misinterpreted the question.  The 1D4 is NOT a step up above the 5D3.  The 5D3 I think overall, in more general situations, will give superior IQ.  If you put a 5D3 on a 400 f/2.8L II IS lens and then the 1D4 on the same lens, the 5D3 would have better IQ, especially if you are 1.3x closer to your subject.

the 5d is not 1.3x closer to the subject it s that much further away


you said the 5d would be better because it is 1.3x closer, anyways doesn't,matter we both understand what you meant now
Uhhhhhhhh.  That's what I said.

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Re: Thinking of swapping a 5d3 for a 1D4.....
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Re: Thinking of swapping a 5d3 for a 1D4.....
« Reply #37 on: December 12, 2013, 07:34:44 PM »
Wow.  If you could find an even swap, your 5D Mark III for a 1D Mark IV, I would do it in a heartbeat, assuming the 1D Mark IV is in excellent shape. 
Couldn't agree more, provided the strengths of the 1D4 vs the strengths of the 5D3 are what you require. I own both and they're a good complimentary pair. On most jobs I'll have the 70-200 on the 1D4 and 16-35II or 24-70II on the 5D3. But if it came to a toss-up, one or the other, it would be the 1D4 every single time. The 5D3 is called on when the project requires maximum IQ (short of renting MF) or complete FF wide-angle delivery.

1-Series bodies are expensive to buy new, but heavy users working in demanding situations know 100% that you get what you pay for. BTW, one sometimes overlooked advantage of the 1D4 is the 1/300 flash sync speed vs 1/200 on the 5D3.

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Re: Thinking of swapping a 5d3 for a 1D4.....
« Reply #38 on: December 12, 2013, 08:55:17 PM »
and I would add that since most 1D series bodies have been used professionally more than the Prosumers lines I would verify a shutter count before purchasing.

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Re: Thinking of swapping a 5d3 for a 1D4.....
« Reply #39 on: December 12, 2013, 11:34:05 PM »
Yeah if I decide to go for it I'll definitely ask the seller to run it through EOS Count.

and I would add that since most 1D series bodies have been used professionally more than the Prosumers lines I would verify a shutter count before purchasing.
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Re: Thinking of swapping a 5d3 for a 1D4.....
« Reply #40 on: December 13, 2013, 11:00:47 PM »
I am a sports guy.  So I just traded my like new, hardly used 5DIII to the fellow I sold my 1DIV to.  Got my 1DIV back.  Nice to have it back home.  I never used the 5DIII anyways.
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Re: Thinking of swapping a 5d3 for a 1D4.....
« Reply #41 on: December 14, 2013, 11:22:28 AM »
I'm glad I don't have this decision to make. I have both the 1D4 and 5D3 (even the 1D3) and I use both for everything I do; wildlife, sports, portraits. I don't pigeon hole my gear - all get used for everything. Funny, I downsize my 1D4 to 8fps. I hate to admit it, but the 5D3 AF is a bit better than the 1D4 and mine haven't needed any Maf for my lenses. I can get the 1DX (great camera) if I want/wanted to, but I just did/don't want to give Canon 7k for a camera body. I just don't see it. I will just wait them out like I did with the others. They will come out with a new 1DXs or something, these folks with jump, the prices will drop and then I'd consider one.

What I've notice from when I was entering the game, I read where many stated that they didn't need high fps because they do not spray and pray and that timing was everything (sure it still is, but don't here it mention much anymore, only fps), but lately many of my readings have found that many are saying they really depend on the really high fps these days to get that 1 shot. I guess technology has changed the way many thing on this subject, just as it did with megapixels. I know everyone does things differently and are at different experience levels. When I first started, I used to spray, but overtime I've gotten better at it and that's one of main reasons I downsize my fps on the 1D4 from 10 to 8 and even then I don't use all of it. Just an observation.

To the OP I'd suggest you hold off for now if you can and wait to see what Canon does. Also, the buffer will not be an issue as state above with the appropriate memory card, especially at 6fps (Lexar 1000 card are on sale at Adorama and B&H).

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Re: Thinking of swapping a 5d3 for a 1D4.....
« Reply #42 on: December 14, 2013, 10:06:08 PM »
I think I will try a UDMA 7 card and probably hold off for now or start saving for a 1DX.

To the OP I'd suggest you hold off for now if you can and wait to see what Canon does. Also, the buffer will not be an issue as state above with the appropriate memory card, especially at 6fps (Lexar 1000 card are on sale at Adorama and B&H).

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Re: Thinking of swapping a 5d3 for a 1D4.....
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Re: Thinking of swapping a 5d3 for a 1D4.....
« Reply #43 on: December 15, 2013, 12:44:05 AM »
I think I will try a UDMA 7 card and probably hold off for now or start saving for a 1DX.

To the OP I'd suggest you hold off for now if you can and wait to see what Canon does. Also, the buffer will not be an issue as state above with the appropriate memory card, especially at 6fps (Lexar 1000 card are on sale at Adorama and B&H).

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sounds like a good plan....id love a pair of 1Dx's

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Re: Thinking of swapping a 5d3 for a 1D4.....
« Reply #44 on: December 15, 2013, 02:22:40 AM »
I own the 1D4 and the 5D3.

Pro 1: fast, better AF in Servo- mode- (the spot AF of the 5 I am not always able to set where I want if I follow a moving subject..... my fault), 10fps is ok, but the bigger buffer is sweet.
Focus points spread wider.
Better jpegs out of the cam
Pro 5: bit better IQ
latest sh** in flashing technology
better noise and AF in low light.
And the second knob on the battery grip I miss on the 1....

So: I am glad to have both.
If its going to be fast: formula 1.
If I am on holiday, have time and need some extra less mm focal length: gimme five.

If I HAD TO decide: very small edge for the 1.
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Re: Thinking of swapping a 5d3 for a 1D4.....
« Reply #44 on: December 15, 2013, 02:22:40 AM »