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Re: Canon EF 35 f/1.4L II to Finally Arrive? [CR1]
« Reply #30 on: December 10, 2013, 07:58:40 PM »
I expect prices on the 35L II to be around 40% more than the current, which would put it around $1900-2100 given the trends of all the other "Mark II" versions.

I don't think I will jump on this right away, even though I have been waiting for it. The current 35L I own is excellent, but I do expect the 35L II to be quite a bit improved in some aspects. The price will just suck.

I will wait for rebates before I bite... Given the 24-70 II and 70-200 II dip to $1700 prices, I would wait until I could snag the 35L II for $1400-1500 before I do buy it.

This is all speculation of course, though!  ;D


On the other side, "What If..." Canon surprised us with a 35mm f/1.2L.. If they could sell it at that $2000-2100 price range, I think people would have less of a problem for the increase in aperture. It would at least help justify it a bit more... As long as it performed very well, I think people would be a bit more happy with it at that cost.

I would love it if the Canon premium came justified with a larger aperture. I'd be quite impressed if they released a 35mm 1.2, but I highly doubt they will (and from what I gather it's extremely difficult optically). I'm currently considering the Sigma, but my main dilemma is OCD related, as despite its performance I don't want to ruin the aesthetic consistency of my primes (my 24mm, 50mm, and 135mm all have red rings). I'm one of those atypical weirdos who likes things to "match."
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Re: Canon EF 35 f/1.4L II to Finally Arrive? [CR1]
« Reply #30 on: December 10, 2013, 07:58:40 PM »

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Re: Canon EF 35 f/1.4L II to Finally Arrive? [CR1]
« Reply #31 on: December 10, 2013, 08:42:09 PM »
I expect prices on the 35L II to be around 40% more than the current, which would put it around $1900-2100 given the trends of all the other "Mark II" versions.

I don't think I will jump on this right away, even though I have been waiting for it. The current 35L I own is excellent, but I do expect the 35L II to be quite a bit improved in some aspects. The price will just suck.

I will wait for rebates before I bite... Given the 24-70 II and 70-200 II dip to $1700 prices, I would wait until I could snag the 35L II for $1400-1500 before I do buy it.

This is all speculation of course, though!  ;D


On the other side, "What If..." Canon surprised us with a 35mm f/1.2L.. If they could sell it at that $2000-2100 price range, I think people would have less of a problem for the increase in aperture. It would at least help justify it a bit more... As long as it performed very well, I think people would be a bit more happy with it at that cost.
Yes sure, f/1.2. Now the fact that it would be bigger and heavier in addition to pricier is a slight detail I guess. Not to mention the slower AF speed. Sigma would love all these....
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Re: Canon EF 35 f/1.4L II to Finally Arrive? [CR1]
« Reply #32 on: December 10, 2013, 09:38:59 PM »
One could compare the price of 24 1.4L vs. 24 1.4L II though...

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Re: Canon EF 35 f/1.4L II to Finally Arrive? [CR1]
« Reply #33 on: December 10, 2013, 10:31:47 PM »
still CR1? ... this thing better make good coffee, deliver pizza, and give good B... I better not say that

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Re: Canon EF 35 f/1.4L II to Finally Arrive? [CR1]
« Reply #34 on: December 11, 2013, 12:07:23 AM »
still CR1? ... this thing better make good coffee, deliver pizza, and give good B... I better not say that

Bokah?

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Re: Canon EF 35 f/1.4L II to Finally Arrive? [CR1]
« Reply #35 on: December 11, 2013, 12:31:50 AM »
Sigma 35 owners all yawn in unison!

Just don't stand there like a turkey, yawning in the rain until you drown.   ;)   (In other words, does the Sigma 35/1.4 have weather-sealing, as the Canon 35/1.4L II is almost certain to have?)

I'm not sure if weather sealing really matters. I have taken the Sigma out in rain without any issues. I have also taken other lenses that are not weather sealed into rainy conditions with no issues.

What the Sigma fails at is focusing. The 35L is better at focusing than the "ultimate art lens". If the 35L II is better than the 35L in that aspect, I'd say it's most likely a better lens than the Sigma even if it isn't as sharp. There is no real point in sharpness, if the photos are slightly out of focus.
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Re: Canon EF 35 f/1.4L II to Finally Arrive? [CR1]
« Reply #36 on: December 11, 2013, 12:39:36 AM »
Sigma 35 owners all yawn in unison!

Just don't stand there like a turkey, yawning in the rain until you drown.   ;)   (In other words, does the Sigma 35/1.4 have weather-sealing, as the Canon 35/1.4L II is almost certain to have?)

I'm not sure if weather sealing really matters. I have taken the Sigma out in rain without any issues. I have also taken other lenses that are not weather sealed into rainy conditions with no issues.

What the Sigma fails at is focusing. The 35L is better at focusing than the "ultimate art lens". If the 35L II is better than the 35L in that aspect, I'd say it's most likely a better lens than the Sigma even if it isn't as sharp. There is no real point in sharpness, if the photos are slightly out of focus.

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Re: Canon EF 35 f/1.4L II to Finally Arrive? [CR1]
« Reply #36 on: December 11, 2013, 12:39:36 AM »

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Re: Canon EF 35 f/1.4L II to Finally Arrive? [CR1]
« Reply #37 on: December 11, 2013, 01:07:27 AM »
still CR1? ... this thing better make good coffee, deliver pizza, and give good B... I better not say that

Bokah?

Of course - what else could it be? ;)
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Re: Canon EF 35 f/1.4L II to Finally Arrive? [CR1]
« Reply #38 on: December 11, 2013, 01:51:06 AM »
The problem with Canon is they are still lagging behind in bringing lenses and cameras through the development cycle into the real world. This is a common problem when companies become huge and think they can either do no wrong or believe that people will wait for whatever they eventually come up with. Many companies have done this like Nikon and we know the story.

Take the 200-400f/4. It was pre-announced, marketed and hyped to death for what, 2 years?, before it became widely available. By then, I had tired of the relentless push and actually looked at what I needed, and got a 200 f/1.8 instead and relied on the smaller sensor size to gain added reach.
Speaking of lagging behind, Canon users have had an AF 35/1.4 since 1998.  Nikon finally introduced theirs in 2011.  Canon users have had an AF 24/1.4 since 1997.  Nikon users had to wait for theirs until 2010.  Of course, these things balance out.  Nikon has offered some lenses that Canon hasn't (28/1.4).

But there's no need to imagine that they think foolish things, like that they "can do no wrong".  The reality is probably more like:  no matter how big they are, they aren't big enough to make everything that everyone wants exactly when everyone wants it.  Each company has a finite number of engineers, production lines, storage facilities & other resources.  They are always prioritizing something to get done now, something else to get done next year, and so on.  The result is in fact a stream of new & better products, though not a fast stream.  Some products take a long time to develop and test, and some buyers will inevitably be frustrated no matter what they build.

In the same way you looked at what you "actually needed", the manufacturer looks at what it actually needs to produce.  Canon may have decided that a $12,000 200-400mm zoom wasn't urgent, and could wait until it was tested and refined a few more times.  Or they may just have allocated key resources to other products, which then got made and satisfied other buyers' needs.
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Re: Canon EF 35 f/1.4L II to Finally Arrive? [CR1]
« Reply #39 on: December 11, 2013, 01:59:40 AM »
I'd look at one, though the 35 f2 IS has me intrigued and at this point I, personally, like the idea of IS in an f2 wide angle more than twice the weight and size and cost, probably four times the cost, in an f1.4 wide angle.

If the 35 f2 IS was a 2.8, like the 28 and 24 then it would be less appealing, two stops is too much loss of dof control, but at only one stop slower the f2 IS is very interesting, and a deal at $550ish at the moment, (shame about the $50 hood! )

I have the Canon 35mm f/2 and I am very happy using it on my 7D. IS works terrific and 1 stop loss isn't a big deal. I was also thinking to purchase the S35 but my budget didn't reach it and I got a 2nd hand Canon 35mm f/2 at a bargain price. I am thinking to put on sale the Canon 40mm f2.8 I previously purchased now.
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Re: Canon EF 35 f/1.4L II to Finally Arrive? [CR1]
« Reply #40 on: December 11, 2013, 04:35:22 AM »
I'm so excited I almost want to cry with happiness  ;D

This will be a game changer for my photography, finally those fast action rain shots I can't to with the 50 L AF 24 being to wide for me.

Oh my oh my! ;D
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Re: Canon EF 35 f/1.4L II to Finally Arrive? [CR1]
« Reply #41 on: December 11, 2013, 07:15:04 AM »
still CR1? ... this thing better make good coffee, deliver pizza, and give good B... I better not say that

Bokah?

ummmm, ok,  yeah , ... that's what i meant   ;)

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Re: Canon EF 35 f/1.4L II to Finally Arrive? [CR1]
« Reply #42 on: December 11, 2013, 07:28:06 AM »
I'd look at one, though the 35 f2 IS has me intrigued and at this point I, personally, like the idea of IS in an f2 wide angle more than twice the weight and size and cost, probably four times the cost, in an f1.4 wide angle.

If the 35 f2 IS was a 2.8, like the 28 and 24 then it would be less appealing, two stops is too much loss of dof control, but at only one stop slower the f2 IS is very interesting, and a deal at $550ish at the moment, (shame about the $50 hood! )

Agreed. I picked up the 35 f/2 IS, and it's a great little lens! A pleasure to use, the IS is awesome, it's a good price and light weight. If this lens didn't exist I might have gone for the 1.4, but can't really see it in my future now.

I'd much rather have a 16-35 2.8L mk III, or a 24 f/1.4 mk III, or a 20 f/2.0 (or 2.8). Even a new 50 1.4 or 85 1.8 IS

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« Reply #43 on: December 11, 2013, 07:41:14 AM »
My Sigma 35 does not fail at focusing. I have used a few pre-2012 Siggys in the past and I know what the issues were and the new Art 35 has none of those. My copy focuses nearly as fast as my 135F.  Me thinks some folks love Canon a bit too much and are not open to 3rd party lenses or at least to the possibility of those said companies improving and actually doing nearly or even better at times than the big C to the point they convince themselves it's not true.

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Re: Canon EF 35 f/1.4L II to Finally Arrive? [CR1]
« Reply #44 on: December 11, 2013, 08:00:10 AM »
I am convinced that when/if Canon releases this lens to the market, it is because it beats the crap out of the competition. I am happy with the Sigma and it has performed a lot better than any Sigma I have tried in the past. But with this new 35L I expect weather sealing and that both AF and IQ will be exceptional. Anything else would surprise me. IS or not isn´t very important to me, but I´ll be happy to have it.
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Re: Canon EF 35 f/1.4L II to Finally Arrive? [CR1]
« Reply #44 on: December 11, 2013, 08:00:10 AM »