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Re: Two Lenses Coming for CP+? [CR2]
« Reply #30 on: December 15, 2013, 07:13:52 PM »
I've decided to not buy any more non-IS lenses, and am waiting for IS-equipped updates to the following lenses: 50mm, 85mm, 24-70/2.8. I'm also waiting for a 100-400 II, although I might settle for a 400/5.6 IS. I would also be "casually" interested in an IS-equipped UWA zoom to replace my 17-40.
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Re: Two Lenses Coming for CP+? [CR2]
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Re: Two Lenses Coming for CP+? [CR2]
« Reply #31 on: December 15, 2013, 08:04:44 PM »
35 L II and the 50 f1.8 IS  8)

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Could also be update of 135L, but 35L is in more need IMO.

+1 again  8) These 35 and 50 mm lenses are direly needed to upgrade Canon's lens line-up.

I'm in agreement here.  These are both holes that need quick plugging, particularly considering that the Sigma is ending up in a lot of bags, and, for others of us, the new 35mm f/2 IS is actually in many ways superior to the current 35L.  It is my most recent addition.

Count me in for wanting the new 50mm.  I don't have an AF 50mm in my kit right now because I was never blown away by the (non L) 50mm choices.  I have owned and then sold two copies each of the 50mm f/1.8 and 1.4.  I have never bought the 50L because of both its own shortcomings and high price.  I make do with some vintage options (Takumar and Helios), and really enjoy those lenses.  But for a lot of work AF is really needed.

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Although I never use AF, I am also waiting for a great modern fast 50mm. The 50L is too expensive for me, and the 50 1.4 and 50 1.8 are too weak in term of build quality and handling IMO. The Zeiss 50mm 1.4 wide apertures performance aren't good enough for the price, although stopped down, there's nothing to complain about. The 55mm, although spectacular, is really out of my budget. The Sigma 50 1.4 seems to be the best value in term of sharpness, but the handling isn't great and the focus ring is too stiff for pleasant MF. The best option would be the Voigtländer 58mm 1.4, but it doesn't exist in EF mount. I personally can't justify buying a 500$ lens in the wrong mount, especially if the mount isn't a m42.

I hope rumors are true and 2014 is the year of the 50mm : Canon IS 50mm + Samyang 50mm 1.2 + Sigma Art 50mm 1.4 (although this one seems to be more of a speculation than a rumor).

Look into the Zeiss 50 f2, although far from the 1.2 aperture, but you mentioned the 50 f1.8. The Zeiss f2 is superb and really makes the Zeiss 1.4 look really bad... I love the 1:2 macro as a bonus to crop your portraits as close as you want with fantastic sharpness at f2. love the 50 perspective compared to a 100mm macro for example.

Thanks for the suggestion. It is true that the Zeiss 50mm f2 looks astonishing; the sharpness is ridiculous, like the build quality, colors, micro-contrast and, I guess, the reselling values (30 years old CZ 50mm 1.4 still sell at 450-550$ on eBay!). Also, the 1:2 macro looks really nice; you can even have 1,86:1 easily with extension tubes. However, at 1283 USD (source: B&H), it is pretty expensive for such a "slow" prime.
Is it worth it? I have no doubt! However, it is still a lot of money.
Personally, I am waiting for 2014 before buying anything, in case there is a "game-changer" such as the Sigma Art 35mm (which is even better than the Zeiss 35mm 1.4 for half the price!). Still, I am saving money for if this doesn't happen (1283 USD to be precise!)  ;)
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Re: Two Lenses Coming for CP+? [CR2]
« Reply #32 on: December 15, 2013, 08:05:45 PM »
A 14-24 with bobble front element is only good for pixel peepers. No filters? that's a big NO for landscapes, especially for Canon's *cough* DR *cough*.

In comparsion, Canon's 16-35 is a all purpose performer. Adding a UV for harsh conditions, putting all sorts of filters like rectangular GND for landscapes, then as a good reportage lens solely because of the focal range. It is a better choice than a bobble 14-24.

Nikon's 14-24 might be a sharpness marvel but many people bought it and afraid to use because the unable to be protected front element gets scratched easily, also you either can't use GND filters or have to break down to buy some novelty solutions. I personally don't like a lens like this.

I'm all for a new 50mm!
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Re: Two Lenses Coming for CP+? [CR2]
« Reply #33 on: December 15, 2013, 08:23:46 PM »
A 14-24 with bobble front element is only good for pixel peepers. No filters? that's a big NO for landscapes, especially for Canon's *cough* DR *cough*.

In comparsion, Canon's 16-35 is a all purpose performer. Adding a UV for harsh conditions, putting all sorts of filters like rectangular GND for landscapes, then as a good reportage lens solely because of the focal range. It is a better choice than a bobble 14-24.

Nikon's 14-24 might be a sharpness marvel but many people bought it and afraid to use because the unable to be protected front element gets scratched easily, also you either can't use GND filters or have to break down to buy some novelty solutions. I personally don't like a lens like this.

I'm all for a new 50mm!
I would love a 16-35 2.8L III but I would bet that there will be none.  :(

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Re: Two Lenses Coming for CP+? [CR2]
« Reply #34 on: December 15, 2013, 08:59:12 PM »
A 14-24 with bobble front element is only good for pixel peepers. No filters? that's a big NO for landscapes, especially for Canon's *cough* DR *cough*.

In comparsion, Canon's 16-35 is a all purpose performer. Adding a UV for harsh conditions, putting all sorts of filters like rectangular GND for landscapes, then as a good reportage lens solely because of the focal range. It is a better choice than a bobble 14-24.

Nikon's 14-24 might be a sharpness marvel but many people bought it and afraid to use because the unable to be protected front element gets scratched easily, also you either can't use GND filters or have to break down to buy some novelty solutions. I personally don't like a lens like this.

I'm all for a new 50mm!

What a misguided comment. Nobody who bought the 14-24 had any illusions about the front element, same with the 17ts-e that has singlehandedly taken several niches by storm. Besides, there is more than one very high quality filter options for both lenses, I know I own and use one.
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Re: Two Lenses Coming for CP+? [CR2]
« Reply #35 on: December 15, 2013, 09:00:23 PM »
Another vote for an ultra wide zoom that is sharp at the corners. Don't get me wrong I like my 16-35 but it leaves a lot to be desired in the corners.

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Re: Two Lenses Coming for CP+? [CR2]
« Reply #36 on: December 15, 2013, 09:02:46 PM »
All micromotor lenses they plan on keeping should get the full Ring treatment starting with the 50. The 20 could use a refresh too but I'm not holding my breath. Why is it the only good primes under 24mm that are not L series  are all utter crap or ManFocus?

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Re: Two Lenses Coming for CP+? [CR2]
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Re: Two Lenses Coming for CP+? [CR2]
« Reply #37 on: December 15, 2013, 09:05:35 PM »
Another vote for an ultra wide zoom that is sharp at the corners. Don't get me wrong I like my 16-35 but it leaves a lot to be desired in the corners.
+1 I sold 16-35 2.8 L version I since I used my TS-E 17mm f/4L more and more. (So that lately I have ordered a custom filter holder for the100mm  Lee Filter System...)

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Re: Two Lenses Coming for CP+? [CR2]
« Reply #38 on: December 15, 2013, 10:24:56 PM »
Another vote for an ultra wide zoom that is sharp at the corners. Don't get me wrong I like my 16-35 but it leaves a lot to be desired in the corners.
+1 I sold 16-35 2.8 L version I since I used my TS-E 17mm f/4L more and more. (So that lately I have ordered a custom filter holder for the100mm  Lee Filter System...)

If you don't already have a selection of the Lee filters look at the Fotodiox Wonderpana system for the 17. It is very well made and allows much more movement than the Lee system, even full shift with zero vignetteing.
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Re: Two Lenses Coming for CP+? [CR2]
« Reply #39 on: December 15, 2013, 10:27:09 PM »
Another vote for an ultra wide zoom that is sharp at the corners. Don't get me wrong I like my 16-35 but it leaves a lot to be desired in the corners.

Given the minimal improvement between the 16-35 I and 16-35 II despite many years passing and increasing of front element to 82mm filter thread, I think the only way a UWA Zoom will be sharp at corners is with a bulbous element w/o filter support.

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Re: Two Lenses Coming for CP+? [CR2]
« Reply #40 on: December 15, 2013, 10:44:15 PM »
Another vote for an ultra wide zoom that is sharp at the corners. Don't get me wrong I like my 16-35 but it leaves a lot to be desired in the corners.

Given the minimal improvement between the 16-35 I and 16-35 II despite many years passing and increasing of front element to 82mm filter thread, I think the only way a UWA Zoom will be sharp at corners is with a bulbous element w/o filter support.

Again, bulbous elements have very good filter support..............
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Re: Two Lenses Coming for CP+? [CR2]
« Reply #41 on: December 15, 2013, 10:57:53 PM »
Another vote for an ultra wide zoom that is sharp at the corners. Don't get me wrong I like my 16-35 but it leaves a lot to be desired in the corners.

Given the minimal improvement between the 16-35 I and 16-35 II despite many years passing and increasing of front element to 82mm filter thread, I think the only way a UWA Zoom will be sharp at corners is with a bulbous element w/o filter support.

Again, bulbous elements have very good filter support..............

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Re: Two Lenses Coming for CP+? [CR2]
« Reply #42 on: December 15, 2013, 11:09:27 PM »
Another vote for an ultra wide zoom that is sharp at the corners. Don't get me wrong I like my 16-35 but it leaves a lot to be desired in the corners.

Given the minimal improvement between the 16-35 I and 16-35 II despite many years passing and increasing of front element to 82mm filter thread, I think the only way a UWA Zoom will be sharp at corners is with a bulbous element w/o filter support.

Again, bulbous elements have very good filter support..............

You mean like this?
http://www.leefilters.com/index.php/camera/system#sw-150

I guess, if you don't mind the front of the lens being the size of your head...  Might work for tripod landscape photography but it would be too awkward for anything else.

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Re: Two Lenses Coming for CP+? [CR2]
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Re: Two Lenses Coming for CP+? [CR2]
« Reply #43 on: December 15, 2013, 11:33:08 PM »
Id like to toss a vote in for an UWA zoom or prime

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Re: Two Lenses Coming for CP+? [CR2]
« Reply #44 on: December 15, 2013, 11:42:21 PM »
Another vote for an ultra wide zoom that is sharp at the corners. Don't get me wrong I like my 16-35 but it leaves a lot to be desired in the corners.

Given the minimal improvement between the 16-35 I and 16-35 II despite many years passing and increasing of front element to 82mm filter thread, I think the only way a UWA Zoom will be sharp at corners is with a bulbous element w/o filter support.

Again, bulbous elements have very good filter support..............

You mean like this?
http://www.leefilters.com/index.php/camera/system#sw-150

I guess, if you don't mind the front of the lens being the size of your head...  Might work for tripod landscape photography but it would be too awkward for anything else.

No, though that is one option. I use this http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php/topic,16813.15.html , much better design and build, very usable in the field hand held too. Size? Well I don't bitch about the size of a 300 f2.8 hood so why worry about a 145mm filter? You need the tools to do the job.
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Re: Two Lenses Coming for CP+? [CR2]
« Reply #44 on: December 15, 2013, 11:42:21 PM »