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« Reply #15 on: October 11, 2011, 12:18:31 AM »
First I don't believe in such a low MP rate. Okay... I think extremeley hight MP are completeley nonsense, from a marketing perspective you can't ignore the fact that the competitors are much further at this point.

5D or 1D...
I wouldn't wonder if they'll launch/announce both at the same time. But I'm quite sure that there will be at least one EOS announcement in 2011.

The big question is imo: What are the issues that distinguish a new 5D from a new 1D.
The 5D HAS to be "worse" in some perspective.

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« Reply #16 on: October 11, 2011, 12:27:46 AM »
That camera, if this rumor is true, would have to be at least 26mp or it would be a step down for all the many the wildlife photographers who use and love the 1D MarkIV. Suddenly their 500, 600, and 800mm lenses will gather less pixels or they they are going to have to get 30% closer to their subjects. A lot of folks ain't gonna be happy. They better keep making the 1D4 also if this is true.
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« Reply #17 on: October 11, 2011, 01:05:57 AM »
Well I guess in 8 days time I'll know if I'm returning to Nikon. If they can manage 36mp and Canon languishes in the weeds with 2004 mp levels, that'll be the end of our 24 year relationship.

with respect, I don't see how not comming with at least 36mp would make you switch back? Unless you need an image that is that large for billboards, etc . .  . ? and after 24 years ;)

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Re: Next EOS not a 1Ds4 or 5D3.... could be a 1D Mark 5? [CR2]
« Reply #18 on: October 11, 2011, 01:45:52 AM »
i dont know where this information came from, but i find it hard to believe. The new pro model full-frame or 1.3 crop will be more likely to have 32mp than 16mp

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Re: Next EOS not a 1Ds4 or 5D3.... could be a 1D Mark 5? [CR2]
« Reply #19 on: October 11, 2011, 02:25:10 AM »
I think this is the key item for the next 1D - keep the density.

More supportive arguments against low MP count:
* As Sony has already demonstrated, it is possible to move 24MP@12fps
* on print, the ISO will be no worse on higher MP camera using the same technology and sensor size
* premature replacement of the 1D series (it is only 2 years old) needs compelling reasons, not another supposedly 2 years product for pro-s


That camera, if this rumor is true, would have to be at least 26mp or it would be a step down for all the many the wildlife photographers who use and love the 1D MarkIV. Suddenly their 500, 600, and 800mm lenses will gather less pixels or they they are going to have to get 30% closer to their subjects. A lot of folks ain't gonna be happy. They better keep making the 1D4 also if this is true.

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« Reply #20 on: October 11, 2011, 02:41:20 AM »


The big question is imo: What are the issues that distinguish a new 5D from a new 1D.
The 5D HAS to be "worse" in some perspective.

My guess is the 5D is keeping it's prosumer body and frame-rate characteristics. Maybe improved autofocus.

If the 1D V rumor comes to be, then it's just shedding it's 1.3 crop for full frame. And still a sports camera.

The 1Ds will be slower but with more megapixels.

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« Reply #21 on: October 11, 2011, 02:45:26 AM »
BTW. For those who think Canon may be going backwards, their updated telephotos don't reflect that. If that helps.

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« Reply #22 on: October 11, 2011, 03:38:51 AM »
Well I guess in 8 days time I'll know if I'm returning to Nikon. If they can manage 36mp and Canon languishes in the weeds with 2004 mp levels, that'll be the end of our 24 year relationship.

with respect, I don't see how not comming with at least 36mp would make you switch back? Unless you need an image that is that large for billboards, etc . .  . ? and after 24 years ;)

I'm also curious. Clearly I picked your identity from your website in your signature and you are an extremely accomplished photographer.

Do you mean if Nikon can do 36 and Canon doesn't seem to improve you will swap? Or do you have the dire need for 36mp? If so wouldn't you shoot medium back for a lot of your stuff?

I'm genuinely curious, because there must be some pent up frustration to justify a swap after 2 and a half decades of canon usage.


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Re: Next EOS not a 1Ds4 or 5D3.... could be a 1D Mark 5? [CR2]
« Reply #23 on: October 11, 2011, 03:58:21 AM »
I recall back, people were wishing for a 60d, but instead got a split in the line up with a new 7d first (with a couple folks balking at the initial price above their range) and then months later received a 60d that some felt underwhelmed too.

You know what, you're absolutely right.  Follow that up with 1) stand-alone, the 60D is a wonderful camera for it's segment and 2) people are still harping about piddly things like micro adjustment and plastic on the outside . . . get the 7D if that's what you require; it's a good camera as well.

What you did hit on the head is that this is totally possible, and, the next release could be geared more towards 'the big picture' rather than just keep bumping specs and 'giving people what they expect'.

As others have mentioned before, if you ignore the marketing numbers and look at the new camera for how well it takes pictures in various extreme situations like low light or at high shutter speed, that's what will prove if it's an improvement or not.

The new tech will sooner or later make it into a 5DmkIII and it'll be awesome . . .
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« Reply #24 on: October 11, 2011, 04:14:24 AM »
I find this 1.3 to full frame transition to be ridicules. Think about the amount of sports photographers that have invested in thousands of pounds worth of lenses with the 1.3 crop in mind. It would really frustrate a regular user that in mind know his or her mm's. I can't see this rumour coming to life.

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Re: Next EOS not a 1Ds4 or 5D3.... could be a 1D Mark 5? [CR2]
« Reply #25 on: October 11, 2011, 04:15:08 AM »
I'm a wedding photographer primarily and for me more than 21mp isnt as essential as low light performance.

In most situations I have to keep the ISO low to keep the quality high but that often means I'm shooting at 2.8 at 1/60 sec.

For me I'd much rather take the same shot at 1/125 and F4 to stop motion and capture more areas in focus but in most situations I can't so if someone presented me with two cameras I would choose the one which addresed my needs more.

If it is an 18mp full frame with 4 years of sensor tech since the last ff sensor was released I would expect a massive jump in ISO performance. But then it would just be a D3x and not a step forward.
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Re: Next EOS not a 1Ds4 or 5D3.... could be a 1D Mark 5? [CR2]
« Reply #26 on: October 11, 2011, 04:35:50 AM »
Native ISO 51,200 NOT 100 - this is an amazing AMAZING claim.
But think, what does this mean. shutter speeds will need to be much faster - too fast for physical shutters?

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« Reply #27 on: October 11, 2011, 04:59:29 AM »
I think when they say native thats without the L & H expansion.. so a clean 12800 and usable ISO up to 51200


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« Reply #28 on: October 11, 2011, 05:47:06 AM »
With the damaged plants in recents days, as reported on NR, we will be lucky to get anything! Some companies are really feeling the pain with all these natural disasters lately.

Im surprised there isnt an update in the CR news about these floodings in the last few days
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« Reply #29 on: October 11, 2011, 06:03:50 AM »
Well I guess in 8 days time I'll know if I'm returning to Nikon. If they can manage 36mp and Canon languishes in the weeds with 2004 mp levels, that'll be the end of our 24 year relationship.

with respect, I don't see how not comming with at least 36mp would make you switch back? Unless you need an image that is that large for billboards, etc . .  . ? and after 24 years ;)


it´s the typical troll blahblah.

but on the other side... i see customers all day who ask for the cheapest camera with the most MP.... even in 2011.   ::)


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