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« Reply #15 on: December 20, 2013, 03:28:36 PM »
I want a 24-105 2.8L. I don't care for IS. Or if it is bigger and heavier...
I find my 24-70 II to be too short sometimes.
Maybe Sigma should do it. They did the world's first 1.8 zoom…
I think it's possible.
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Re: Two New 24-70's Coming in 2014? [CR1]
« Reply #16 on: December 20, 2013, 03:46:23 PM »
I wouldn't be the least surprised by a 24-70mm f/2.8 IS USM. It might have lower IQ than the IS-less' lens, as I think some people would be willing to compromise on price & IQ to get IS for the hand-hold-ability.

As for another 24-70mm, I'm not so sure. If it's f/4 IS-less, how would it compete with the cheap 24-105mm f/4 IS USM? What else could it be?
Regarding non-L, I don't think so.  Instead I think we will see the EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 II IS USM.  Remember, the 7D2 will likely be coming out so updating the 17-55 would probably be a better bet than a non-L 24-70.

In terms of L, the 24-70 IS would be welcome for videographers, even if it is a bit lower IQ than the 24-70 II.  The market is simply too large to ignore.

These comments surprise me, if only because the Tamron 24-70 VC offers exactly what you say people are looking for at a price that already seriously undercuts the Canon non IS version.  I don't personally think that a new version is worth more than the original price point of the 24-70LII unless it offers something more than just IS, particularly if that comes at the cost of higher weight and slightly compromised optics.
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Re: Two New 24-70's Coming in 2014? [CR1]
« Reply #17 on: December 20, 2013, 04:15:54 PM »
If Canon has room for four 24-70s in the lineup, then why not four 50s (I'm not counting the 2.5 macro)?  Can we get a quality 50L 1.4 that is sharp wide open and stopped down, WS, with a ring USM please?

It still amazes me that a major camera manufacture does not offer a 50mm lens worth buying.  I'm not talking about the (front/back focus) 50L which is more of a specialty lens.   I'm not interested in the plastic 1.8 or weak USM 1.4 with choppy bokeh.

Ok, I'm done ranting.   :)

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Re: Two New 24-70's Coming in 2014? [CR1]
« Reply #18 on: December 20, 2013, 04:26:59 PM »
My crystal ball is no better than anyone else's, but it's plausible that by the time a 24-70/2.8L IS hits the market, the price of the 24-70/2.8L II will have settled in somewhere around (or below) its current post-rebate sale price of $1700. Then the IS version could be priced at or near the same ($2300?) introductory price of the current vII.

I very much doubt that Canon will compromise on the iq for IS as this is a "flagship" product, they didn't stop tweaking 70-200L until the newest version was top notch. If there are people around that are able to afford and handle a 200-400L there's certainly a market for a 24-70IS for €3000+ if it "has it all" vs. Tamron:

* hybrid IS
* across the frame sharpness
* no vignetting wide open
* af speed
* af precision with newest Canon bodies
* cps

It still amazes me that a major camera manufacture does not offer a 50mm lens worth buying.  I'm not talking about the (front/back focus) 50L which is more of a specialty lens.   I'm not interested in the plastic 1.8 or weak USM 1.4 with choppy bokeh.

I tend to believe the rumors that Canon will release a 50/IS prime in early 2014, so that's covered.

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Re: Two New 24-70's Coming in 2014? [CR1]
« Reply #19 on: December 20, 2013, 05:04:37 PM »
How ridiculous

Yes. Not sure about your reasoning, but I have absolutely no interest in a 24-70 range. I'll keep my 24-105 thank you.
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Re: Two New 24-70's Coming in 2014? [CR1]
« Reply #20 on: December 20, 2013, 05:07:10 PM »
If Canon has room for four 24-70s in the lineup, then why not four 50s (I'm not counting the 2.5 macro)?  Can we get a quality 50L 1.4 that is sharp wide open and stopped down, WS, with a ring USM please?

It still amazes me that a major camera manufacture does not offer a 50mm lens worth buying.  I'm not talking about the (front/back focus) 50L which is more of a specialty lens.   I'm not interested in the plastic 1.8 or weak USM 1.4 with choppy bokeh.

Ok, I'm done ranting.   :)

It's a little off topic (and talked to death too on several occasions, like beating a dead horse) but you're right. I don't like any of the current Canon offerings so I covered the 50 mm 'prime' focal length with the Sigma 50mm f/1.4 (which does require some tlc to get pinsharp results) and the Canon 1.8 Mk I that has ancient but reasonably good build however... pentagonal bokeh. Compromises, compromises! But at least I got 35 mm covered now to utter satisfaction with the new Sigma :D

As for 'normal' zooms - I care less for these nowadays and in reasonable light I have the 25-105 to 'do it all' if needed. Else there's the primes of course ;)

It's great if Canon breathes life into variable aperture normal zooms for full frame though. And it would show that FF technology is trickling down further in future. When was the last time they released such a lens???
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Re: Two New 24-70's Coming in 2014? [CR1]
« Reply #21 on: December 20, 2013, 05:15:40 PM »
Still, if variable aperture, a longer zoom range would also be desirable like a replacement to the 28-135.

I'd really like to see a 24-135mm f4 IS L - make I'd a tad smaller than my 24-70 2.8 II and bingo - daytime walkabout lens - a 15-85mm EF-S for full frame ;-)
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Re: Two New 24-70's Coming in 2014? [CR1]
« Reply #21 on: December 20, 2013, 05:15:40 PM »

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Re: Two New 24-70's Coming in 2014? [CR1]
« Reply #22 on: December 20, 2013, 05:40:57 PM »
These comments surprise me, if only because the Tamron 24-70 VC offers exactly what you say people are looking for at a price that already seriously undercuts the Canon non IS version.  I don't personally think that a new version is worth more than the original price point of the 24-70LII unless it offers something more than just IS, particularly if that comes at the cost of higher weight and slightly compromised optics.


Perhaps, although you could argue that the Tamron 24-70 VC had/has a QC/manufacturing issue significantly greater than anything in the 24-70 II:
http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2012/09/tamron-24-70-f2-8-vc-issue

Also I have read of some getting error codes with the Tamron.  But, never a good thing when lens elements fall off.

Finally, the Tamron is lower IQ than the 24-70 II in the corners - whether Canon can improve on that is another question.  The AF is also slower.

But the Tamron is an option.
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Re: Two New 24-70's Coming in 2014? [CR1]
« Reply #23 on: December 20, 2013, 06:13:45 PM »
These comments surprise me, if only because the Tamron 24-70 VC offers exactly what you say people are looking for at a price that already seriously undercuts the Canon non IS version.  I don't personally think that a new version is worth more than the original price point of the 24-70LII unless it offers something more than just IS, particularly if that comes at the cost of higher weight and slightly compromised optics.


Perhaps, although you could argue that the Tamron 24-70 VC had/has a QC/manufacturing issue significantly greater than anything in the 24-70 II:
http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2012/09/tamron-24-70-f2-8-vc-issue

Also I have read of some getting error codes with the Tamron.  But, never a good thing when lens elements fall off.

Finally, the Tamron is lower IQ than the 24-70 II in the corners - whether Canon can improve on that is another question.  The AF is also slower.

But the Tamron is an option.


Regarding the report from Roger - if you read his updates, you would have seen that this issue was only in the very first batch and has subsequently been fixed.  Furthermore, if you have noticed this thread:  http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=15231.0;topicseen you will know that Canon has had its own manufacturing issues with its newest 24-70.  I wouldn't say that either issue invalidates the overall lens and its quality.

Regarding your points on the other limitations on the Tamron:  you aren't wrong about those, but my point was that I was reading that people would be willing to pay more for an IS version even if it wasn't as good optically as the 24-70II.  A slightly inferior lens optically with image stabilization already exists - the Tamron (and it doesn't cost more).

P.S.  I have shot tens of thousands of shots in just about every kind of weather condition with my Tamron 24-70 VC, including at least one shot that has been used in promotions by Canon (now there's a bit of irony!) and it has served me flawlessly.  I did encounter the battery drain issue with the VC that has been widely reported, but had my lens back to me after sending it to Tamron within a week and a half, so I have no complaints about what I've gotten out of my copy.
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Re: Two New 24-70's Coming in 2014? [CR1]
« Reply #24 on: December 20, 2013, 07:15:50 PM »
Great, I just went ahead and bought myself the 24-70 II...no IS for me... :'(
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Re: Two New 24-70's Coming in 2014? [CR1]
« Reply #25 on: December 20, 2013, 08:16:03 PM »
So how much do you people guess a Canon 24-70 F2.8 L IS would cost ?

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Re: Two New 24-70's Coming in 2014? [CR1]
« Reply #26 on: December 20, 2013, 08:26:57 PM »
So how much do you people guess a Canon 24-70 F2.8 L IS would cost ?

Like CR said, a LOT. Big and heavy. I would say in the neighborhood of $2600-$3000 US.

I can imagine some people who'd been demanding this kind of lens for a long time won't be able to afford it when it comes :-)
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Re: Two New 24-70's Coming in 2014? [CR1]
« Reply #27 on: December 20, 2013, 08:48:27 PM »
Looks like a reasonable proposition, given the history of having four 70-200 'L lenses'. Besides that, the natural progression of full frame to more affordable levels means the need for uprated consumer level full frame-zooms is a real one.

I have to agree. I've often wondered why Canon didn't take the 24-70 range down the same marketing path of the 70-200s. When was the last time anyone has discussed a third party alternative in the 70-200 range ? Is there even a third party alternative in the 70-200 range ? Canon absolutely owns this segment and it's because they have offered a full range of price points and features that no other manufacturer can touch, and has done so for a long time. The only lens that is considered a legitimate contender is the Canon 70-300 L.

That Canon may be taking the same approach with their 24-70/105 offerings is no surprise to me. It's a tack that is long overdue and even though additional Canon products in this wide-to-normal zoom range will be entering a crowded market Canon is big enough to wade in at this late date and take back some market share. That should eventually lead to a battle over price points and that is a battle that Canon can win. It's also a battle that would benefit buyers.  ;)

I'm all for it.

As for the IS or no IS debate, you can be sure that Canon knows that there is a significant number of people with the means to purchase an EF 24-70 f2.8 L IS. They will line up to buy it with no complaints. That is all that matters. Will IS add too much weight ? Canon will work on that issue before releasing it. They aren't fools.

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« Reply #27 on: December 20, 2013, 08:48:27 PM »

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« Reply #28 on: December 20, 2013, 09:39:19 PM »
I wouldn't be the least surprised by a 24-70mm f/2.8 IS USM. It might have lower IQ than the IS-less' lens, as I think some people would be willing to compromise on price & IQ to get IS for the hand-hold-ability.

As for another 24-70mm, I'm not so sure. If it's f/4 IS-less, how would it compete with the cheap 24-105mm f/4 IS USM? What else could it be?
Regarding non-L, I don't think so.  Instead I think we will see the EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 II IS USM.  Remember, the 7D2 will likely be coming out so updating the 17-55 would probably be a better bet than a non-L 24-70.

In terms of L, the 24-70 IS would be welcome for videographers, even if it is a bit lower IQ than the 24-70 II.  The market is simply too large to ignore.

These comments surprise me, if only because the Tamron 24-70 VC offers exactly what you say people are looking for at a price that already seriously undercuts the Canon non IS version.  I don't personally think that a new version is worth more than the original price point of the 24-70LII unless it offers something more than just IS, particularly if that comes at the cost of higher weight and slightly compromised optics.

Here's a tip for canon, instead of wasting millions on developing their own 24-70 is just buy tamrons for $1000, put a red ring on them and sell them for  $3000

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Re: Two New 24-70's Coming in 2014? [CR1]
« Reply #29 on: December 20, 2013, 10:46:20 PM »
"It wouldn’t be a replacement to the current lens, just a very expensive bigger brother"-- Anybody want to take a guess on the price tag ::)


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