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Re: New DSLR on Tuesday, October 18, 2011. [CR3]
« Reply #15 on: October 12, 2011, 04:45:36 PM »
This makes sense. This would be a sports, pro body camera in time for the games.

I really wanted a high MP 5Dmk3 though! I suppose I will have to "live with" :o a 5Dmk2. 

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« Reply #16 on: October 12, 2011, 04:46:04 PM »
2 things.

1. As it's been mentioned countless times before....Nikon has a patent on the whole hardware cropping mode. You will NOT see this functionality in a Canon camera anytime soon.

2. It would not make much sense to create from scratch a new full frame sensor that is lower than the current chip. The 5DmkII is one of the best full frame chips made. The technology is over 3 years old now. I cannot see them engineering a brand new chip and lowering the MP count. If they put the 3 yr old chip in a 1D body, with new AF and computational power to shoot at 10fps...it would be a winner. Why spend dev time/money...retool the manufacturing...for a 16mp full frame chip? Can't see this happening. I don't need or want native 102K ISO....give me better DR.

I find the 21MPs of the 5D a sweet spot. It's high enough resolution be be used pretty much anywhere...and low enough that you aren't going to suffer file management issues or go beyond the limits of current 35mm lenses. My biggest complaint in using the 5DmkII is that the body/AF/features are nowhere as good as my 1D. I miss my 1D....

I too have been waiting since 2010 for a new 1Ds or 1D. I am happy it's finally here!!!

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« Reply #17 on: October 12, 2011, 04:49:15 PM »
2 things.

1. As it's been mentioned countless times before....Nikon has a patent on the whole hardware cropping mode. You will NOT see this functionality in a Canon camera anytime soon.

im not sure about that.
there are plenty of canon patents and you see similiar features in non canon cameras.

but then im not a patent lawyer.  ;)
and i don´t know if canon could fill a patent that does the same but in a different way.

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2. It would not make much sense to create from scratch a new full frame sensor that is lower than the current chip. The 5DmkII is one of the best full frame chips made. The technology is over 3 years old now.

would make sense to me if this is not a 1D model but a customer/prosumer oriented FF body.
to seperate the products a 16-18 MP FF sensor would fit.
but then i would not expect a speed of 12-14 FPS...  ;)

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If they put the 3 yr old chip in a 1D body, with new AF and computational power to shoot at 10fps...it would be a winner. Why spend dev time/money...retool the manufacturing...for a 16mp full frame chip?

maybe they fixed the rolling shutter problem with the new design or some other shortcomings of the old sensor design. dynamic range would also not increase with your approach.


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« Reply #18 on: October 12, 2011, 05:01:59 PM »
More than 9 fps on FF seems impossible with a moving mirror. A77 got a fixed one...

nope... if nikon can do it canon sure can.

Canon could do it?  Canon has done it...with several generations of film cameras.  Last time I checked, the reflex mirror didn't care whether there was a CMOS sensor or emulsion-coated gelatin behind it.
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« Reply #19 on: October 12, 2011, 05:04:19 PM »

1. As it's been mentioned countless times before....Nikon has a patent on the whole hardware cropping mode. You will NOT see this functionality in a Canon camera anytime soon.

I'm pretty sure that just means that Canon can't do it the same way as Nikon. If they came up with a different method of cropping the viewfinder they could do it all they wanted. That's how I understand it. Both companies have 70-200mm f2.8 IS lenses and 50mm f1.8s and 24-70mm f2.8s. But they are different designs.
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« Reply #20 on: October 12, 2011, 05:09:03 PM »
Canon could do it?  Canon has done it...with several generations of film cameras.  Last time I checked, the reflex mirror didn't care whether there was a CMOS sensor or emulsion-coated gelatin behind it.

yeah damn right... i just forgot the analog days. 
which ones?

the EOS-1N RS has done 10 FPS but doesn´t count.
as it had a fixed mirror.
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« Reply #21 on: October 12, 2011, 05:20:07 PM »
I wonder if it has some kind of video feature

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Re: New DSLR on Tuesday, October 18, 2011. [CR3]
« Reply #22 on: October 12, 2011, 05:31:29 PM »
Canon could do it?  Canon has done it...with several generations of film cameras.  Last time I checked, the reflex mirror didn't care whether there was a CMOS sensor or emulsion-coated gelatin behind it.

yeah damn right... i just forgot the analog days. 
which ones?

the EOS-1N RS has done 10 FPS but doesn´t count.
as it had a fixed mirror.

Not sure about others, but I know the EOS 1v (the only film SLR still in the lineup) shoots at 10 fps with the grip.

True about the 1N RS.  In fact, the F1 (pre-EOS, FD-mount, but also with a pellicle mirror) reached 14 fps!
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« Reply #23 on: October 12, 2011, 05:38:05 PM »
I always wondered why they didn't have a drive mode where the mirror stays up for double or triple frames.  Assuming sensor readout the shutter and write to buffer/flash could keep up, you could get 20 or 30 fps, and still get 10 FPS flashing in the viewfinder; which should be enough to track a subject under most circumstances.

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« Reply #24 on: October 12, 2011, 05:46:47 PM »
I bet you this will be the 3D that was rumored so many months ago. We have a big show coming up in Hollywood on nov 3rd, and I can only imagine that it will have some unique video features with this model. Basically, I am saying it will be a low light video Ff DSLR that is one step up from the 5D. I believe the 1D and the 5D will be updated next year well after nikons releases.
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« Reply #25 on: October 12, 2011, 05:52:21 PM »
Foveon-like 18MP 1Ds? The 1Ds is old...

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« Reply #26 on: October 12, 2011, 06:23:37 PM »
I will buy this camera if it is in the 5k ballpark and sell one of my 2 1D4s.  -self described 1D addict.

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« Reply #27 on: October 12, 2011, 06:43:33 PM »
An 18 megapixel 1D? That makes no sense as this is suppose to be the Flagship camera. An 18 megapixel Full frames sounds more like an entry level camera. It's fine for me as long as it has awesome video features. The lower the megapixel the better for video.

Also, regarding the Crop mode. Panasonic GH2 has a very good crop mode 3x, and Nikon hasn't sued them over it, so I'm sure Canon can do the same thing. The T3i has a 3x crop mode also, so I'm hoping that makes it into the high end camera (which makes sense).

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« Reply #28 on: October 12, 2011, 06:48:04 PM »
Where are the CR2 & CR3 sources? There have been some dates announced and lots of CR1 rumors, but it seems to be a bit like convicting someone on circumstancial evidence.  Normally, we'd have something more substantial by now; I'm not saying that there will be no announcement on Tuesday, just that it isn't following the pattern that we've seen before (hopefully some leaked pictures/publicity materials will appear soon). 

If the spec list that CR has posted is true, then it seems to be a 1D Mk5, not a 1Ds Mk4.  I can see Canon wanting to capitalise on the coming Olympics, but the 1Ds Mk3 is very long in the tooth.  I hear the speculation that Canon might do away with the 1Ds line since the 5D Mk2 stole a lot of its sales, but I can't see that Canon would want to lose the premium price point by making a future 5D Mk3 the top high resolution body. 

If this is a 1 series announcement, it will be interesting to see the reaction if Nikon releases its prosumer targeted D800 at around the same time, as NR predicts.  I guess we'll know in a couple of weeks...

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« Reply #29 on: October 12, 2011, 07:01:56 PM »
From a big Swiss retailer about availability of the 1D Mk IV:

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Neither we nor our suppliers have the item on stock. There is no information about the delivery date. It may be that the item arrives soon, or is not available over a longer period. If this article belongs to an order with more products this article can delay the delivery. Therefore, you can always contact us for a partial delivery of reserved items to be carried out.
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