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Re: EF 400mm f/5.6L IS on the Way?
« Reply #30 on: December 27, 2013, 12:01:34 PM »
A 100-400L update supercedes the need for a 400/5.6 IS.

I believe this is what is happening.  The 100-400 is also getting heavily discounted. 

A new 100-400L is just around the corner and will effectively replace both lenses.
Many lenses are heavily discounted these days. That proves nothing.
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Re: EF 400mm f/5.6L IS on the Way?
« Reply #30 on: December 27, 2013, 12:01:34 PM »

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Re: EF 400mm f/5.6L IS on the Way?
« Reply #31 on: December 27, 2013, 12:19:09 PM »
I enjoy both zooms and primes. But to say an improved 100-400 will make the 400 prime effectively replaced, well there are many prime tele shooters (BIRDERS!) who will have a field day with that comment. I think they both have their place.

Now, which will I get?

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Re: EF 400mm f/5.6L IS on the Way?
« Reply #32 on: December 27, 2013, 12:21:47 PM »
I enjoy both zooms and primes. But to say an improved 100-400 will make the 400 prime effectively replaced, well there are many prime tele shooters (BIRDERS!) who will have a field day with that comment. I think they both have their place.

Now, which will I get?

That my friend is the real conundrum.
Rent them both :)
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Re: EF 400mm f/5.6L IS on the Way?
« Reply #33 on: December 27, 2013, 12:44:26 PM »
I have owned the 100-400 in the past and currently have the 400/5.6 - though it is up for sale (because a 200-400/1.4x is arriving today!).  The AF and image quality of the 400/5.6 beat the 100-400 hands down.  It is also a much lighter lens.  The 100-400 wins in terms of IS and flexibility.  For me though with a 70-200/2.8 II already in the bag I could no longer justify carrying the 100-400 too given that a 2x III extender brought the 70-200/2.8 very close.

My major frustration with the 400/5.6 was IS and the near focusing distance.  While for birds IS didn't matter because I used 1/1000 or more, at times I just wanted it for abstract images or landscapes and it was quite frustrating to still need to handhold it at 1/400.  Also its magnification made it difficult for small birds when they came close.

If Canon does release an updated IS version whether I would buy it would depend on the close focusing distance.  If they improve it then I would likely save up for a copy - even though I have the 200-400.  There are times when the light weight and portability of the 400/5.6 win out.  My guess is it would sell for a bit over $2k.  I doubt Canon sees this as a 'compete' lens but it does make sense to replace it given the age of the current model.

I am not too interested in a 400/4.  The 200-400 is far more versatile there.
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Re: EF 400mm f/5.6L IS on the Way?
« Reply #34 on: December 27, 2013, 12:44:58 PM »
I enjoy both zooms and primes. But to say an improved 100-400 will make the 400 prime effectively replaced, well there are many prime tele shooters (BIRDERS!) who will have a field day with that comment. I think they both have their place.

Now, which will I get?

That my friend is the real conundrum.
Rent them both :)

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Re: EF 400mm f/5.6L IS on the Way?
« Reply #35 on: December 27, 2013, 12:47:26 PM »
I enjoy both zooms and primes. But to say an improved 100-400 will make the 400 prime effectively replaced, well there are many prime tele shooters (BIRDERS!) who will have a field day with that comment. I think they both have their place.

Now, which will I get?

That my friend is the real conundrum.
Rent them both :)

I tried but Roger said he didn't have any Unicorns farting rainbows.
See if he has any beachfront property in Memphis ;D
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Re: EF 400mm f/5.6L IS on the Way?
« Reply #36 on: December 27, 2013, 01:58:18 PM »
I enjoy both zooms and primes. But to say an improved 100-400 will make the 400 prime effectively replaced, well there are many prime tele shooters (BIRDERS!) who will have a field day with that comment. I think they both have their place.

Now, which will I get?

That my friend is the real conundrum.
Rent them both :)

I tried but Roger said he didn't have any Unicorns farting rainbows.
See if he has any beachfront property in Memphis ;D

Which Memphis?  The new one in Tennessee or the original Memphis in Egypt.  I have some spare bitcoin rattling in my pocket.

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Re: EF 400mm f/5.6L IS on the Way?
« Reply #36 on: December 27, 2013, 01:58:18 PM »

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Re: EF 400mm f/5.6L IS on the Way?
« Reply #37 on: December 27, 2013, 02:03:49 PM »
I'm definitely hoping that it gets replaced with a 400mm f4 IS lens at an affordable price.

I realise that both the 400mm f2.8 and 500mm f4 are really expensive, but the 300mm f4 is under £1000, so shurely a 400mm f4 could be made that isn't that expensive.

A 400 f/4 would be quite a bit larger, heavier and more expensive than a 300 f/4. Just look at the 300 2.8 compared to the 400 2.8! If it became too close to the 300 2.8 IS then people might just stick to using a 300 2.8 IS + 1.4x TC so I'm guessing that is why it's not been done.

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Re: EF 400mm f/5.6L IS on the Way?
« Reply #38 on: December 27, 2013, 03:02:26 PM »
I have no interest in this lens.  Who else has no interest in this lens?  Is it just me?  F/5.6 is only useful when you're already compromising because it's a zoom.  I've tried the current 400 f/5.6.  It's a fine lens for what it is, and considering its age. 

But I have no interest in an approx. $2000 fixed focal length 400mm f/5.6 lens.  If it were f/5, maybe...but not f/5.6.  If it were no more than $1450 at introduction?  Perhaps, but I doubt it will be.

Before I spent $2000 on a lens like this, I would rather use other less costly lenses and save up to buy a used or refurb 400mm f/4L DO.  It's entirely possible prices for those will dip into the low $4000's at some point, especially if a new f/4 model is never announced.  If Canon ever get around to bringing out a new 400mm f/4 (whether DO or not), it will cost $9000, thus prices on used 400 DO's will go up, rather than down.

Just my opinion and my thought process, no doubt others will differ.

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Re: EF 400mm f/5.6L IS on the Way?
« Reply #39 on: December 27, 2013, 03:10:06 PM »
Seems like they would fix the 100-400mm first. I will be replacing mine with the new Tamron if it is as sharp as the pictures suggest.  My 100-400mm already has dust behind the front element at under a year use and not sharp at all. I get better shots with the 70-200mm cropped.

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Re: EF 400mm f/5.6L IS on the Way?
« Reply #40 on: December 27, 2013, 03:16:51 PM »
A 100-400L update supercedes the need for a 400/5.6 IS.

I believe this is what is happening.  The 100-400 is also getting heavily discounted. 

A new 100-400L is just around the corner and will effectively replace both lenses.
Many lenses are heavily discounted these days. That proves nothing.

They only get heavily discounted 6 months after I buy one ( I'm not joking) :'(
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Re: EF 400mm f/5.6L IS on the Way?
« Reply #41 on: December 27, 2013, 03:21:13 PM »
They only get heavily discounted 6 months after I buy one ( I'm not joking) :'(
You and me both - looking at the current double-dip deals going on, I could have saved well over $1,000 just on lenses if I had waited 6 months...

Which Memphis?  The new one in Tennessee or the original Memphis in Egypt.  I have some spare bitcoin rattling in my pocket.
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Re: EF 400mm f/5.6L IS on the Way?
« Reply #42 on: December 27, 2013, 04:42:12 PM »
They only get heavily discounted 6 months after I buy one ( I'm not joking) :'(
You and me both - looking at the current double-dip deals going on, I could have saved well over $1,000 just on lenses if I had waited 6 months...
If you waited, a significant portion of your adult lives would have been spent without these lenses ... Buying was clearly the right decision :)
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Re: EF 400mm f/5.6L IS on the Way?
« Reply #42 on: December 27, 2013, 04:42:12 PM »

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Re: EF 400mm f/5.6L IS on the Way?
« Reply #43 on: December 27, 2013, 04:48:46 PM »
They only get heavily discounted 6 months after I buy one ( I'm not joking) :'(
You and me both - looking at the current double-dip deals going on, I could have saved well over $1,000 just on lenses if I had waited 6 months...
If you waited, a significant portion of your adult lives would have been spent without these lenses ... Buying was clearly the right decision :)
That's exactly how I look at it!
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Re: EF 400mm f/5.6L IS on the Way?
« Reply #44 on: December 27, 2013, 05:31:22 PM »
The 400 f5.6L is a really nice lens. It's sharp, light and it's AF is very fast.
But the lack of IS is a pity and it's Min Focus distance is painfully long. For many the 300 f4 LIS with a 1.4x is a better prospect.
If Canon can nail those issues, it'll be a far more versatile lens.

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Re: EF 400mm f/5.6L IS on the Way?
« Reply #44 on: December 27, 2013, 05:31:22 PM »