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Re: Get a 300mm or 600mm? Oh the agony...
« Reply #15 on: January 02, 2014, 05:44:18 PM »
If birds are your primary interest, get the 600. Per Neuro, I use the 600 w the 1.4X and it is never too long for birds. I also have the 300 2.8II (not rich, just obsessive) and it is a great walk around lens w either the 1.4 or 2X - but 600 is just not enough for smaller perching birds. There are a few other threads on this same topic, so I won't go on and on...
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Re: Get a 300mm or 600mm? Oh the agony...
« Reply #15 on: January 02, 2014, 05:44:18 PM »

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Re: Get a 300mm or 600mm? Oh the agony...
« Reply #16 on: January 02, 2014, 05:46:04 PM »
If you are rich, go for both. It is as simple as that.
I like that last bit of advice :)

I am far from rich but, up until a year ago I had both the 300 F2.8 IS and 600 F4 IS.
I found that they made a wonderful, if very heavy, combination. Although I would always use the 600 in preference to the 300 + 2 x Mk3 extender (Mk2 wasn't very good) the 300 + 2 x allows me to get to places that I simply couldn't lug the 600 to!
If you need to move around a fair bit then I think the 300 + extenders wins hands down. On the other hand if you are not walking very far and can use a tripod then the 600 is the better option.
As some posters have noted you will always need more reach, I am one of them, so my 600 was sold to fund an 800!

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Re: Get a 300mm or 600mm? Oh the agony...
« Reply #17 on: January 02, 2014, 09:30:18 PM »
The 800 is a great option right now, especially if you want to buy used. They are readily available in the $9k range. They have the same IS as the latest MarkII big whites and are only slightly heavier than the new 600.  If you want to photograph birds with a 600mm, you'll usually have the 1.4x and 2x attached. It's a lot easier and less of a hassle just to take off and on one tc than fiddle with two and their caps.

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Re: Get a 300mm or 600mm? Oh the agony...
« Reply #18 on: January 03, 2014, 05:53:59 AM »
As larger MP bodies come to market in the following years, (hopefully 2014) the cropping capabilities will get better thus giving the 300 a bit more "reach" when editing.  With that said, a 300 2.8 and hypothetical 46 MP camera combined would probably be about the same price as a 600mm alone....(obviously not the same reach)

Just something to consider when purchasing a lens to be used for many years to come.
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Re: Get a 300mm or 600mm? Oh the agony...
« Reply #19 on: January 03, 2014, 05:58:01 AM »
As larger MP bodies come to market in the following years, (hopefully 2014) the cropping capabilities will get better thus giving the 300 a bit more "reach" when editing.  With that said, a 300 2.8 and hypothetical 46 MP camera combined would probably be about the same price as a 600mm alone....(obviously not the same reach)

Just something to consider when purchasing a lens to be used for many years to come.
To some extent I agree. But the problem moves from resolution to focus. It does not matter how much you can crop, if you can't position the AF points correctly. That is why I believe (hope) the 7D replacer, whatever they decide to call it, will be interesting.
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Re: Get a 300mm or 600mm? Oh the agony...
« Reply #20 on: January 03, 2014, 02:29:27 PM »
There are allot of great points brought up. I was also wondering about a 7D as a possibility to give me the added reach. While I'm not rich affording both in the future is a possibility in the future. For now I need to pick one. The Frugal side of me says 300mm is the way to go. But considering the 300 price is halfway to the 600 it's one of those things. No one else can make the call except me.

To answer the folks that said I didn't provide enough info.. Truth is I would shoot what ever I can with which ever lens I had. If I had the 600 I would probably shoot more wildlife. Presently I do allot of autosports. so I think the 300 would be a great lens for that purpose. But I also shoot Macro.. So go figure... LOL
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Re: Get a 300mm or 600mm? Oh the agony...
« Reply #21 on: January 03, 2014, 03:01:35 PM »
There are allot of great points brought up. I was also wondering about a 7D as a possibility to give me the added reach. While I'm not rich affording both in the future is a possibility in the future. For now I need to pick one. The Frugal side of me says 300mm is the way to go. But considering the 300 price is halfway to the 600 it's one of those things. No one else can make the call except me.

To answer the folks that said I didn't provide enough info.. Truth is I would shoot what ever I can with which ever lens I had. If I had the 600 I would probably shoot more wildlife. Presently I do allot of autosports. so I think the 300 would be a great lens for that purpose. But I also shoot Macro.. So go figure... LOL

Be careful to consider if the 7D will deliver high enough image quality for you, particularly at higher iso's. Coming from a 5D MkIII you may be disappointed (I just got a 5D Mark III just for this reason). My 7D is still here, but I think I may sell it if I truly find I no longer need it.
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Re: Get a 300mm or 600mm? Oh the agony...
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Re: Get a 300mm or 600mm? Oh the agony...
« Reply #22 on: January 03, 2014, 03:51:33 PM »
Be careful to consider if the 7D will deliver high enough image quality for you, particularly at higher iso's. Coming from a 5D MkIII you may be disappointed (I just got a 5D Mark III just for this reason). My 7D is still here, but I think I may sell it if I truly find I no longer need it.
True, the current 7D is no alternative to the 5DIII or the 1DX. But if a 7D replacer (whatever they decide to call it) get a really decent AF system, then it may become an interesting alternative. We can expect more resolution and I would also expect significantly improved high ISO performance.
For motor sports the 300 will be a great alternative.
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Re: Get a 300mm or 600mm? Oh the agony...
« Reply #23 on: January 03, 2014, 04:25:51 PM »
"But considering the 300 price is halfway to the 600"

Check ebay for some deals on a non IS 600.  I bought one from Montereypark in Washington state.  I may have the seller name spelled wrong but should be close enough for a search.  Perfectly good lens that works well with the mark III 1.4TC.  Yes it's heavier but you'll most likely have it on a tripod anyway.  Shutter speed will most likely be high enough that IS is a non issue.
You can find them for around $5500.

I also made the upgrade from a 7D to the 5DIII.  The 7D rarely sees any action now.  Cropping down still gives me better image quality at ISO 800 and up than the 7D could ever hope for.
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Re: Get a 300mm or 600mm? Oh the agony...
« Reply #24 on: January 03, 2014, 04:33:56 PM »
+2 on the 7D - after buying a 5DIII, I found the 7D wasn't worth keeping and sold it, keeping my 5DII & III.  It's a great camera, but as soon as you hit ISO 1600, it's just way too noisy for me.

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Re: Get a 300mm or 600mm? Oh the agony...
« Reply #25 on: January 03, 2014, 04:38:00 PM »
The 7d is incredibly unforgiving.  Almost everything has to be perfect to get a pleasing image. Even ISO 400 is riddled with noise in the blue channel (problematic for birds in flight, etc). I still have mine, but that sensor is a mess compared to my 6D.

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Re: Get a 300mm or 600mm? Oh the agony...
« Reply #26 on: January 03, 2014, 06:56:12 PM »
I am still getting some superb results from my 7D but the focussing with the 300mm f/2.8 II + 2xTCIII can hunt when there is not a contrasty subject. I got sufficiently frustrated yesterday, despite getting some good BIF shots, that in the evening I ordered a 70D and it arrived this morning from WEX. The initial results are looking good, and I'll post a comparison when there is good weather here in a couple of days. DxO tests on its sensor suggest the 70D has significantly better IQ than the 7D.
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Re: Get a 300mm or 600mm? Oh the agony...
« Reply #27 on: January 03, 2014, 07:04:02 PM »
I am still getting some superb results from my 7D but the focussing with the 300mm f/2.8 II + 2xTCIII can hunt when there is not a contrasty subject. I got sufficiently frustrated yesterday, despite getting some good BIF shots, that in the evening I ordered a 70D and it arrived this morning from WEX. The initial results are looking good, and I'll post a comparison when there is good weather here in a couple of days. DxO tests on its sensor suggest the 70D has significantly better IQ than the 7D.

Congrats Alan...have fun!
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Re: Get a 300mm or 600mm? Oh the agony...
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Re: Get a 300mm or 600mm? Oh the agony...
« Reply #28 on: January 03, 2014, 08:13:58 PM »
I didn't see if you were trying to decide between the 300 II and the 600II, but if you are willing to go with Version I lenses you could get both for less then the cost of a new 600.  You would even still have some $$ left over for a new 5D Mark III to add to the mix.

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Re: Get a 300mm or 600mm? Oh the agony...
« Reply #29 on: January 03, 2014, 08:35:10 PM »
Alan F, I'll be waiting for some comparative shots from your 70D with great interest!  Any chance you could do a capture of the same subject with both cameras.  I had my 300 2.8 II on my friend's and it wasn't AFMA, anyway the result wasn't as good as we had hoped.

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Re: Get a 300mm or 600mm? Oh the agony...
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