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Re: 6D should i wait for newer model or buy soon?
« Reply #15 on: January 07, 2014, 05:43:46 PM »
IMO the 6D AF is just fine as long as: B) You do not use lens faster than f/1.8 frequently.

Make that f2.8 - I sometimes get micro-misses with my 100L that I can pin to the non-crosspoint af of the 6d with faster lenses, meaning it falls back to only f5.6 precision. I don't know this phenomenon from the 60d with a real crosspoint.

Just today I had a couple of these (maybe 5% of the shots) - it's not the lens, it's not me, it's the af system. The good news: it's only visible at 100% crop, but the bottom line is that I have to take two exposures of every important scene if I want to be sure the af has got it :-\


All my lenses are f/2.8 or faster and my 6D auto focuses just fine!  I just shot a Boy Scout event last weekend, mostly with my 70-200 and 135mm, the majority at 2.8 or faster and only 3 out of focus shots out of 140+, nailed all the 135L shots at f/2 to 2.4.  Maybe there is something wrong with your camera?
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Re: 6D should i wait for newer model or buy soon?
« Reply #15 on: January 07, 2014, 05:43:46 PM »

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Re: 6D should i wait for newer model or buy soon?
« Reply #16 on: January 07, 2014, 09:13:12 PM »
thanks for all the feedback. I'm not one for sports photography only covered it once & only recently. I much prefer street portraits like at protests, which have been happening a lot more now than in previous years, prior to our bailout. I prefer the landscape & portrait styles. If there's an AF blip with the camera I'll keep that in mind & photograph on MF when it's important works & if its a wedding I'll pay extra care of that. Does the 6D need CF cards like other FF cameras or is it SD cards that it takes. Really can't wait to get one only a few more weeks to go now.
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Re: 6D should i wait for newer model or buy soon?
« Reply #17 on: January 08, 2014, 12:34:01 AM »
All my lenses are f/2.8 or faster and my 6D auto focuses just fine!  I just shot a Boy Scout event last weekend, mostly with my 70-200 and 135mm, the majority at 2.8 or faster and only 3 out of focus shots out of 140+, nailed all the 135L shots at f/2 to 2.4.

It's great to hear that your 6d is working fine, but imho unless your 6d has another sensor array this simply means you're lucky (or didn't look @100% crops) - with wider apertures, the 6d af is f2.8 non-cross and falls back to f5.6.

This means if you focus on a high-contrast target, you'll be fine, but you'll get some micro-misses on low-contrast surfaces, it might not occur often mind you. That being said, I cannot exclude the possibility that the 135L for some reason or another works better as the 100L is known to hunt a bit anyway, at least in low light (but that wasn't the case here).

Maybe there is something wrong with your camera?

I doubt it, but of course cannot exclude the possibility of a lens/camera problem w/o proper testing w/ another set. However looking at the amount of problematic experiences with the 5d2/6d af, the lens is afma'd and given the high af hit rate I suppose correctly so.

Here are two samples, f2.8 @ 1/4000s - in one shot there is a tiny mis-focus, i.e. another part of the shot is in focus. This is a live object and handheld so I cannot exclude the possibility of me slightly moving, but my 60d seems to be more reliable with this setup - which is to be expected since the dof is deeper on crop, but I also suspect the 6d af as a source of the problem because the misses are more often on low contrast surfaces.
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Re: 6D should i wait for newer model or buy soon?
« Reply #18 on: January 08, 2014, 11:23:17 PM »
I wouldn't wait. If you need it now, get it now. There is no indication that they'll release a Mark II anytime soon, but who knows. I'd think 2-3 years for something like this camera. The 6D is a great camera, though its AF system is a little on the weak side.
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Re: 6D should i wait for newer model or buy soon?
« Reply #19 on: January 09, 2014, 06:45:14 AM »
Get the 6D now! If you like to always have the latest and greatest you can sell it when 6DII is on sale...

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Re: 6D should i wait for newer model or buy soon?
« Reply #20 on: January 14, 2014, 06:54:26 PM »
Hey currently shooting on a 500D, have had it since xmas 2010. Still enjoy it, but I'm currently on a 3rd level course doing photography & was thinking full frame would be best for my 3 years i have left since first year is just over & its all black & white, which I'm loving. Do you think I should wait for the newer model or get while the price is dropping. I'm living in Ireland & the prices of it here with the 24-105mm f4 IS USM is €2599 (I've added a link). It has dropped down about €200 since about November. Great deal both Elements 11 & Lightroom 5. I was thinking of getting it around March-May when my current loan is paid back about €1200 left. Would the price drop by more come that time or is it worth to pay more for a newer one which I think will be more like the current 5D. I'm not one for having the latest & greatest, but coming from where I'm coming from would it be best to have the best at the time of purchase of the current one be a worth while upgrade?. Cheers

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I'd recommend getting one now as the refresh cycle is most likely a little ways out.

I just finished a video review of the 6D, feel free to check it out here: http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=19066

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Re: 6D should i wait for newer model or buy soon?
« Reply #21 on: January 16, 2014, 03:36:27 PM »
My Voigtlander 20mm focusses great on the 6D! But I have to turn the focus ring.
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Re: 6D should i wait for newer model or buy soon?
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Re: 6D should i wait for newer model or buy soon?
« Reply #22 on: January 16, 2014, 05:00:27 PM »
Getting back to the original point: While I think there is an outside chance that the 6D will be refreshed before the next 5D, I doubt you will see it happening for at least a year.

And, as others have pointed out, it will be more expensive and you'll have another year's wait for the price to come down. Even then, I doubt it will come down to the current 6D level.

I also suspect that the price of the 6D has bottomed out for awhile. (You may see it drop a little over the next year, but I wouldn't expect to see any significant price drops until it is about ready to be replaced)

Assuming a 5DIII is out of the picture (and honestly I'm not sure it's worth the cost for student on a budget) it's about the best option out there. The 70D is a nice camera, but other than the dual pixel live view focus, doesn't have much that the 7D doesn't already offer. I wouldn't buy a 7D now, even though I own one and it has served me very well. It's too old and about to be replaced.
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Re: 6D should i wait for newer model or buy soon?
« Reply #23 on: January 16, 2014, 06:17:45 PM »
It's great to hear that your 6d is working fine, but imho unless your 6d has another sensor array this simply means you're lucky (or didn't look @100% crops) - with wider apertures, the 6d af is f2.8 non-cross and falls back to f5.6.

Seems to me the center-AF point is always cross-type as long as the max. aperture is wider than f/5.6.

From the 6D manual:

Maximum lens aperture: f/3.2 - f/5.6

Cross-type focusing (vertical and horizontal lines detected simultaneously) is possible with the center AF point. The other AF points are either vertical- or horizontal-line sensitive.

Maximum lens aperture: f/1.0 - f/2.8

Besides cross-type focusing (vertical and horizontal lines detected simultaneously), the center AF point can also perform high-precision, vertical-line sensitive AF. The other AF points are either vertical- or horizontal-line sensitive.

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Re: 6D should i wait for newer model or buy soon?
« Reply #24 on: January 16, 2014, 07:35:34 PM »
People here seem to be recommending Full frame over crop, which I completely agree with. Buying from Conn's Cameras I also recommend that too, but you also have the 2nd hand 6D market here in Ireland too after a 2 minute search on Adverts and donedeal I found several 6D's for sale (one by a guy wanting to buy a 70D instead).
This option might leave you with enough to buy an even better lens than the great 24-105, (eg a Tamron 24-70 f2.8) It is something to consider anyway.

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Re: 6D should i wait for newer model or buy soon?
« Reply #25 on: January 16, 2014, 08:44:19 PM »
You're in luck there, the 6d af isn't the latest & greatest, basically it's a years old 40d design and virtually the same as on the 5d2 :->
As someone who just upgraded from a 40D to a 6D I respectfully disagree. With the exact same lenses as I was using on the 40D my experience has been that the 6D's AF performs much better. I found myself using live view + 10x magnification and MF on the 40D whenever I was shooting relatively stationary subjects and using burst mode to shoot lots of pictures to up my chances of getting sharp shots with action. On the 6D my keeper rate has been noticeably better using AF, even with the peripheral AF points. I find myself having more fun shooting pictures and less time worrying about my gear. Give it a try sometime!
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Re: 6D should i wait for newer model or buy soon?
« Reply #26 on: January 16, 2014, 10:15:18 PM »
I agree %1000

I had a 40d then a 7d and now a 6d. I have learned to become a primarily a center point focus guy which does take some getting used to. The center point on a 6d is the best focus point Canon has ever made. I shoot at f/1.4 more than any f-stop with mine. Nothing wrong with focus system itself it could use a few more points but you can get used to it.

Go with the 6d and don't look back!
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Re: 6D should i wait for newer model or buy soon?
« Reply #27 on: January 16, 2014, 10:38:25 PM »
The 7D is my first SLR, which I bought in 2012. I got the 6D refurbished in December 2013. I must say the 6D's IQ is noticeably superior, and I find it difficulty to go back to the 7D, especially with regard to high ISO performance (1600 or higher).

The only exception has been shooting fast-moving objects such as birds.

I have no experience shooting fast lenses.

I also prefer the 6D over the 7D for its button arrangement. With the 6D I can review and magnify shots using just the right thumb. The 7D forces me to use the left hand, which I usually use to stabilize heavy lenses.

I love the idea of GPS and Wifi. In practice I leave them turned off, primarily to save battery.

In short, unless you're into action shots I'd recommend the 6D for its excellent center-point AF, superior high ISO performance, and not least the decent price.
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Re: 6D should i wait for newer model or buy soon?
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Re: 6D should i wait for newer model or buy soon?
« Reply #28 on: January 17, 2014, 01:12:25 AM »
I make a living from photography and have been using a 5d2 for the last three years and just got a 6d. I couldnt be happier and it is a great upgrade from the 5d2. Of course 5d2's are now going used for the same price as 70d's and that makes them great  bargains! From a professional point of view the 5d2 is still great. The 24-105 is a nice general purpose lens to have but its really not canons best. My most used lenses are all primes, a 24ts, 40mm pancake and the 851.8. Granted the TS cost more than the camera, but the 40 & 85 are all 'budget' lenses that are super sharp and from a working perspective are just great and deliver far superior quality than the 24-105 zoom. I have just come back from two weeks in Cape Town and the 6D behaved impeccably, and most of my images were made with the 6d plus 40mm combo...some of my Cape Town images can be seen here at ...http://thelazytravelphotographer.blogspot.com/2014/01/my-canon-eos-6d-review-part-1-image.html

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Re: 6D should i wait for newer model or buy soon?
« Reply #29 on: January 17, 2014, 02:03:49 AM »
You're in luck there, the 6d af isn't the latest & greatest, basically it's a years old 40d design...

What is this about, "Basically a 40D design?" What are you, a standup comedian?

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Re: 6D should i wait for newer model or buy soon?
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