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Re: Why no 400mm f/4L IS exists?
« Reply #15 on: January 24, 2014, 06:56:40 AM »
... because there is no need for such a lens.
Why?
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Re: Why no 400mm f/4L IS exists?
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Re: Why no 400mm f/4L IS exists?
« Reply #16 on: January 24, 2014, 07:00:02 AM »
Ok, how about a 400 5.6L IS?
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Re: Why no 400mm f/4L IS exists?
« Reply #17 on: January 24, 2014, 07:06:56 AM »
Ok, how about a 400 5.6L IS?
The hope of that one lens kept me from getting the current non-IS one.
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Re: Why no 400mm f/4L IS exists?
« Reply #18 on: January 24, 2014, 07:27:32 AM »
Ok, how about a 400 5.6L IS?
The hope of that one lens kept me from getting the current non-IS one.

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Re: Why no 400mm f/4L IS exists?
« Reply #19 on: January 24, 2014, 09:18:54 AM »
I really think the 500f4 is the ultimate "middle class" big white.
Does that make my 300 f/2.8 IS II low class?  If so, it sure didn't feel that way when I paid my AMEX bill that month.  I'm just kidding, but I've never heard the big whites discussed in terms of class :)

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Re: Why no 400mm f/4L IS exists?
« Reply #20 on: January 24, 2014, 09:22:10 AM »
I really think the 500f4 is the ultimate "middle class" big white.
Does that make my 300 f/2.8 IS II low class?  If so, it sure didn't feel that way when I paid my AMEX bill that month.  I'm just kidding, but I've never heard the big whites discussed in terms of class :)

Well, I don;t know about 'ultimate' but mathematically, 500 is exactly in the middle of a range running from 200 to 800.   :P
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Re: Why no 400mm f/4L IS exists?
« Reply #21 on: January 24, 2014, 09:28:49 AM »
... because there is no need for such a lens.
Why?

There's already five pretty decent lenses covering that focal length: the f/2.8L IS II, the f/4 DO IS, the f/5.6L, the 100–400mm f/4.5–5.6L IS, and the 200–400mm f/4L IS. Of these lenses, there are three that offer f/4 IS and thus another one would be serious competition for them all.
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Re: Why no 400mm f/4L IS exists?
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Re: Why no 400mm f/4L IS exists?
« Reply #22 on: January 24, 2014, 09:43:15 AM »
There's already five pretty decent lenses covering that focal length: the f/2.8L IS II, the f/4 DO IS, the f/5.6L, the 100–400mm f/4.5–5.6L IS, and the 200–400mm f/4L IS. Of these lenses, there are three that offer f/4 IS and thus another one would be serious competition for them all.

There are 11 pretty decent EF lenses covering the 200mm focal length, and of those there are four that offer f/4 IS.  I don't think Canon is too converned with multiple lenses covering a given focal length.  Generally, more choices are a good thing - as long as Canon sets a price that provides a return on investment for a given number of units sold, it's a win. 

It's also worth noting that two of those three lenses that provide 400mm f/4 IS are quite new, and deliver substantially better optical performance than the 400/4 DO.  Given that, there is quite likely a market for a 400mm f/4 IS lens that delivers optical performance on par with the recent MkII supertele lenses as a price that's around that of the current 400/4 DO, i.e. $4K cheaper than the 400/2.8 II or 200-400/4+1.4x.
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Re: Why no 400mm f/4L IS exists?
« Reply #23 on: January 24, 2014, 10:23:26 AM »
There are 11 pretty decent EF lenses covering the 200mm focal length ...

Now that's very interesting, as Canon only has three 50mm lenses and two each of 35mm and 24mm, and just one 28mm lens.
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Re: Why no 400mm f/4L IS exists?
« Reply #24 on: January 24, 2014, 10:58:57 AM »
There are 11 pretty decent EF lenses covering the 200mm focal length ...

Now that's very interesting, as Canon only has three 50mm lenses and two each of 35mm and 24mm, and just one 28mm lens.
Now it looks like you're changing your definition to include primes only plus you're forgetting the TS-E 24mm f/3.5II and 28 f/1.8.  If you include zooms, Canon has too many to count that cover the 24-28-35-50mm focal lengths.

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Re: Why no 400mm f/4L IS exists?
« Reply #25 on: January 24, 2014, 11:21:09 AM »
I found a little used Nikon 200-400mm f/4 VR on my local craigslist.  A local doctor had bought it and used it twice.  I even bought a used D300s to use playing with it, and a gimbal head, and was still below $3300.  Considering how over priced Nikon lenses usually are, I'll have no problem selling for a lot more if I ever do it.

That is the only Nikon lens I wish Canon had in its line-up (next to /other than the 200-400 1.4x). A former colleague of mine has it and it is absofabolutelyfantastic :)
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Re: Why no 400mm f/4L IS exists?
« Reply #26 on: January 24, 2014, 11:56:05 AM »
Wish you were correct about being able to get a 500 f4L IS II for less than $10K.  Lowest price listed on current canon price watch is $10,187.

Try visiting our friendly neighbors to the north…. Camera Canada has it for $9730, and with the current exchange rate that works out to US $8740.

Would that lens bought "up north", still have a US warranty? Is the warranty for North America in general, or is it specifically for CA or US, etc?

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Re: Why no 400mm f/4L IS exists?
« Reply #27 on: January 24, 2014, 12:06:48 PM »
Don't put off getting the non-IS 400mm f/5.6L if you really want to shoot birds in flight or reasonably well lit birds/ wildlife. The non-IS lens demands good technique, but technique can be learned. This is a great budget birding lens with reliable quick AF. We shall see how the new Tamron 150-600 does in terms of speedy and accurate AF.

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Re: Why no 400mm f/4L IS exists?
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Re: Why no 400mm f/4L IS exists?
« Reply #28 on: January 24, 2014, 12:20:32 PM »
Now it looks like you're changing your definition to include primes only plus you're forgetting the TS-E 24mm f/3.5II and 28 f/1.8.  If you include zooms, Canon has too many to count that cover the 24-28-35-50mm focal lengths.

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Re: Why no 400mm f/4L IS exists?
« Reply #29 on: January 24, 2014, 12:44:00 PM »
Yeah, you're right ... serves me right for trying to be clever.
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Re: Why no 400mm f/4L IS exists?
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