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Re: Sigma Announces the 50 f/1.4 Art Lens & More
« Reply #90 on: January 07, 2014, 12:28:58 PM »

Good for lens collectors, but I imagine many people in the field would rather take the 35mm and do some cropping. That's what I'd do, at least.

Shoot a subject against any background with the subject being the same size with both 35 and 50 and you'll see just how different it looks. A 35 and 50 are different beasts.

I'm not saying that a 35mm replaces EVERY 50mm. I'm saying that, for me at least, it replaces a 50mm with the same characteristics and optical signature. I'd rather invest the money in something that really lets me do something different or at least in a different way.

Always in my opinion, of course, 50mm is a useless FL unless the lens you're using is really special (and I found a little gem in the CV Nokton 58mm). It's usually too long for a walkaround and too short for portraits. I'd rather have with me a 35mm and a 85mm instead of a 35mm and a 50mm - again, especially if both lenses have similar characteristics.

This time of year (when it's generally dark and glum) I find I carry both the 35 and the 50 a lot of the time. These focal lengths really are very different and have their specific uses although they can both perform as a general purpose lens depending on ones preference. Aside from the angle of view, the perspective is much more important. It took me a while to understand the 35, but in certain situations it offers me the ability to create pictures with more 'drama' to them.

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Re: Sigma Announces the 50 f/1.4 Art Lens & More
« Reply #90 on: January 07, 2014, 12:28:58 PM »

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Re: Sigma Announces the 50 f/1.4 Art Lens & More
« Reply #91 on: January 07, 2014, 12:42:35 PM »
Yes! Love my 2 ART lenses, now they just need to make that UWA zoom

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Sigma please can you hear that?  I am also waiting your UWA zoom art lens.
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Re: Sigma Announces the 50 f/1.4 Art Lens & More
« Reply #92 on: January 07, 2014, 12:45:58 PM »
I'm very happy with my current f/1.4 Sigma - but did anyone notice the maximum magnification ratio of 1:5.6?  The MMR of the current model is only 1:7.4, something I stumble into when I do museums with this lens.


I used to own the 50mm f/1.4 and used it on a 550D and 7D. Great lens for museums.
Africa Museum - very little light inside
550D iso3200 and f1.4(of course) - there is some noise here

It's a fabulous lens for this application; only the small displays could use a little more magnification though (on full frame) but I don't consider 1:5.6 vs 1:7.4 max magnification to be enough of a difference to justify getting the new Sigma for this feature only ;)

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Re: Sigma Announces the 50 f/1.4 Art Lens & More
« Reply #93 on: January 07, 2014, 01:00:12 PM »
I'm really intrigued by this lens, esp. if it's less than $1k.  I think it's a given that it will smoke the Canon 1.4 and 1.2 on the test charts, but I wonder how it will compare to the 1.2 in results.  The 1.2 gives such a unique look and the color and contrast, and bokeh are amazing, it may be hard to top that.  For portraits, sharpness isn't the end all, be all, so it's going to be interesting.

I'll plan to pre-order one and compare it to my 1.2 and go from there.
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Re: Sigma Announces the 50 f/1.4 Art Lens & More
« Reply #94 on: January 07, 2014, 01:13:57 PM »
I'm very happy with my current f/1.4 Sigma - but did anyone notice the maximum magnification ratio of 1:5.6?  The MMR of the current model is only 1:7.4, something I stumble into when I do museums with this lens.


I used to own the 50mm f/1.4 and used it on a 550D and 7D. Great lens for museums.
Africa Museum - very little light inside
550D iso3200 and f1.4(of course) - there is some noise here

It's a fabulous lens for this application; only the small displays could use a little more magnification though (on full frame) but I don't consider 1:5.6 vs 1:7.4 max magnification to be enough of a difference to justify getting the new Sigma for this feature only ;)

I visited a museum for ethnic sciences, they have some African stuff too :)
http://www.mrsfotografie.nl/musea/museum-volkenkunde

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Clearly, more will be improved than min focus distance...   :P

See attached.  Again, this is just for sharpness -- and there is a ton more to a lens than sharpness -- but there clearly is  room for improvement, esp. on the wider end, esp. in the corners.

But you can see why some folks still prefer the Canon 50 F/1.4 over the L lens, and why most every 50mm prime shooter wants a better option.  This Sigma and the long-rumored Canon 50 refresh represent that opportunity.

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Re: Sigma Announces the 50 f/1.4 Art Lens & More
« Reply #95 on: January 07, 2014, 01:30:14 PM »
By the way, all of the problems of the 50/1.2L didn't stop this guy from putting it to good use:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/petezelewski/

Absolutely, but they are pretty much all dead center, and it doesn't appear to be that much shots wide open. Awesome portraits though, and it has nothing to do with the lens, or at least very little. Light and subject and balancing ambient and flash is done soo right.

"nothing to do with the lens, or at least very little"? ...  I wouldn't discount the quality of the lens so much.  The lens definitely contributes something to these photos.  How much is hard to measure.  Yes, a lot of the photos are at f/2.   The 50L is fantastic at f/2, at least for this kind of photo.  The 50L can't do everything, but it does some things very well. 

A photographer I know switched to Nikon for a while and the 50L is the one lens he missed.  He's a wedding & portrait photographer with a very refined sense of how various lenses draw.  Neither Sigma nor Nikon could fully replace what he liked about the 50L.  He's now back to Canon (5D3) + Leica.

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Re: Sigma Announces the 50 f/1.4 Art Lens & More
« Reply #96 on: January 07, 2014, 01:30:26 PM »
I can't compare this Sigma Vs my 50L yet. However, my 50L is quite awesome when shoot wide open or at f1.4. As an owner of 50mm f1.4 for 2-3yrs, I do know the history of this lens. The color and contrast from f1.4 are flat. I'm not good reading reviews or showing 3rd party testing data. I like to see my own photos ;)

The 50L sure does draw nice.  One good thing about this new Sigma is that it is about 4 ounces lighter than the 50L.  If it draws as nicely and autofocuses well, it may be a good substitute for the 50L and the 50/1.4 USM.

Goodness...does a bit of size and weight make THAT much of a difference to you folks?

I actually like having a nice lens with heft to it...feels like my money's worth was had, and I like the solid feel of it, like with my 70-200 f/28L II....sure it is big and heavy, but what a lens.

I rented the 50L from canon, and fell in love with it...definitely on my list to buy this year...

But really...is a little extra bulk and weight that big a deal? I  mean, do you all carry EVERY lens you own with you on every shoot?

Just curious...
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Re: Sigma Announces the 50 f/1.4 Art Lens & More
« Reply #96 on: January 07, 2014, 01:30:26 PM »

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Re: Sigma Announces the 50 f/1.4 Art Lens & More
« Reply #97 on: January 07, 2014, 01:33:20 PM »
Assuming the fabrication and image quality is at the same level as the 35mm Art, it should be very good.  Compared to what else is on offer, it simply should be better option than the current Canon's 50mm AF choices of:

•The slow/noisy 50/1.8
•The non-ring USM in the 50 F/1.4 that often hunts
•The diva of the 50 F/1.2L that needs AFMA tuning

I used and sold the f1.8 and f1.4 Canon versions, current Sigma 50mm f1.4 (not good AF) and currently have the 50 F/1.2L. This Sigma might address many of the problems we've had with Canon. If so, I will buy one ASAP.
Anyone interested in this 50mm f1.2L lens?

What are you wanting to sell the 50L for?

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Re: Sigma Announces the 50 f/1.4 Art Lens & More
« Reply #98 on: January 07, 2014, 01:49:14 PM »
I'm very happy with my current f/1.4 Sigma - but did anyone notice the maximum magnification ratio of 1:5.6?  The MMR of the current model is only 1:7.4, something I stumble into when I do museums with this lens.


I used to own the 50mm f/1.4 and used it on a 550D and 7D. Great lens for museums.
Africa Museum - very little light inside
550D iso3200 and f1.4(of course) - there is some noise here

It's a fabulous lens for this application; only the small displays could use a little more magnification though (on full frame) but I don't consider 1:5.6 vs 1:7.4 max magnification to be enough of a difference to justify getting the new Sigma for this feature only ;)

I visited a museum for ethnic sciences, they have some African stuff too :)
http://www.mrsfotografie.nl/musea/museum-volkenkunde

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Re: Sigma Announces the 50 f/1.4 Art Lens & More
« Reply #99 on: January 07, 2014, 02:19:13 PM »
I can't compare this Sigma Vs my 50L yet. However, my 50L is quite awesome when shoot wide open or at f1.4. As an owner of 50mm f1.4 for 2-3yrs, I do know the history of this lens. The color and contrast from f1.4 are flat. I'm not good reading reviews or showing 3rd party testing data. I like to see my own photos ;)

The 50L sure does draw nice.  One good thing about this new Sigma is that it is about 4 ounces lighter than the 50L.  If it draws as nicely and autofocuses well, it may be a good substitute for the 50L and the 50/1.4 USM.

Goodness...does a bit of size and weight make THAT much of a difference to you folks?

I actually like having a nice lens with heft to it...feels like my money's worth was had, and I like the solid feel of it, like with my 70-200 f/28L II....sure it is big and heavy, but what a lens.

I rented the 50L from canon, and fell in love with it...definitely on my list to buy this year...

But really...is a little extra bulk and weight that big a deal? I  mean, do you all carry EVERY lens you own with you on every shoot?

Just curious...
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A little extra bulk and weight is normally not a big deal, but it can add up.  Consider a 10-hour wedding day.  Two cameras with lenses on your body, sometimes one or both with a flash.  More cameras & lenses & flashes in the bag, along with batteries for everything.  ALL 10 hours on your feet, constantly moving, constantly searching for pictures, constantly lifting camera to eye, sometimes holding camera over head.  Sometimes getting down low and then getting up.  Up and down stairs, sometimes a narrow curving passageway to a church balcony.  Crossing streets, sometimes in rain or snow.  Getting in & out of buses, limos, etc.  Then the weight & bulk start to add up, and smaller lenses have more appeal.

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Re: Sigma Announces the 50 f/1.4 Art Lens & More
« Reply #100 on: January 07, 2014, 02:36:35 PM »
I'm very happy with my current f/1.4 Sigma - but did anyone notice the maximum magnification ratio of 1:5.6?  The MMR of the current model is only 1:7.4, something I stumble into when I do museums with this lens.


I used to own the 50mm f/1.4 and used it on a 550D and 7D. Great lens for museums.
Africa Museum - very little light inside
550D iso3200 and f1.4(of course) - there is some noise here

It's a fabulous lens for this application; only the small displays could use a little more magnification though (on full frame) but I don't consider 1:5.6 vs 1:7.4 max magnification to be enough of a difference to justify getting the new Sigma for this feature only ;)

I visited a museum for ethnic sciences, they have some African stuff too :)
http://www.mrsfotografie.nl/musea/museum-volkenkunde

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I must admit, I did not like the sigma 50 on my 5d MKIII. I sold it but I am awaiting the new sigma. First I would like to see some reviews with field examples using a FF camera

What didn't you like, specifically? I'm actually having even more fun with this lens on the MkIII than on the MkII although it's harder to check critical sharpness on the Mk III at wide apertures (my Mk II has a precision matte focusing screen). On the Mk II I use manual override to tweak the sharpness at wide apertures, on the Mk III I've set AFMA +8 for this lens.
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Re: Sigma Announces the 50 f/1.4 Art Lens & More
« Reply #101 on: January 07, 2014, 02:38:12 PM »
I can't compare this Sigma Vs my 50L yet. However, my 50L is quite awesome when shoot wide open or at f1.4. As an owner of 50mm f1.4 for 2-3yrs, I do know the history of this lens. The color and contrast from f1.4 are flat. I'm not good reading reviews or showing 3rd party testing data. I like to see my own photos ;)

The 50L sure does draw nice.  One good thing about this new Sigma is that it is about 4 ounces lighter than the 50L.  If it draws as nicely and autofocuses well, it may be a good substitute for the 50L and the 50/1.4 USM.

Goodness...does a bit of size and weight make THAT much of a difference to you folks?

I actually like having a nice lens with heft to it...feels like my money's worth was had, and I like the solid feel of it, like with my 70-200 f/28L II....sure it is big and heavy, but what a lens.

I rented the 50L from canon, and fell in love with it...definitely on my list to buy this year...

But really...is a little extra bulk and weight that big a deal? I  mean, do you all carry EVERY lens you own with you on every shoot?

Just curious...
:)

cayenne

It really depends on the usage.
For me, the use of a prime is for darker, indoor informal times like parties, restaurants, get-togethers. I don't want to use a large conspicuous lens in those times. And the difference between, say the 35/1.4 and the older 35/2 is considerable.
When I was using APS-C, I seriously considered the Sigma 30/1.4 DC. I shall hold on to my 50/1.8 unless something worthwhile comes along- but I am quite hopeful. Let's see.
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Re: Sigma Announces the 50 f/1.4 Art Lens & More
« Reply #102 on: January 07, 2014, 02:41:17 PM »
I still think this new Sigma will be sharper when equivalently stopped down than the new Canon 50mm F/'something' IS (we still don't know the max aperture yet), but not by so much that I don't want IS and a much smaller lens.

My mind's not made up by any means -- let's see the reviews!  But my 'overall lens sensibilities' / 'best lens for what I shoot' spidey sense remains pretty firmly in the 'small + IS is better' camp.


+1  I'm looking forward to the reviews. 

I'd certainly like to have a better 50mm option than my 50 1.4, but won't pull the trigger on the Sigma until I see if Canon is coming out with a 50mm f/1.8 or f/2 IS this year.  If they do, and its as good, small and light as the 35mm f/2 IS, I'll get one of those.   I seldom shoot below f/2.0 anyway and IS would be very nice.  Canon has done a terrific job with the other IS primes released recently.  The size of the Sigma is a negative in my book.
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Re: Sigma Announces the 50 f/1.4 Art Lens & More
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Re: Sigma Announces the 50 f/1.4 Art Lens & More
« Reply #103 on: January 07, 2014, 02:48:53 PM »
And the difference between, say the 35/1.4 and the older 35/2 is considerable.

I've got one of those 'old' 35/2's, and I love it for its tinyness. That, and the 50mm 1.8 mkI are great little primes that can always find a corner in my bag if I think I might need a prime but don't want the bulk, for instance when I travel :)
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Re: Sigma Announces the 50 f/1.4 Art Lens & More
« Reply #104 on: January 07, 2014, 02:51:20 PM »
I still think this new Sigma will be sharper when equivalently stopped down than the new Canon 50mm F/'something' IS (we still don't know the max aperture yet), but not by so much that I don't want IS and a much smaller lens.

My mind's not made up by any means -- let's see the reviews!  But my 'overall lens sensibilities' / 'best lens for what I shoot' spidey sense remains pretty firmly in the 'small + IS is better' camp.


+1  I'm looking forward to the reviews. 

I'd certainly like to have a better 50mm option than my 50 1.4, but won't pull the trigger on the Sigma until I see if Canon is coming out with a 50mm f/1.8 or f/2 IS this year.  If they do, and its as good, small and light as the 35mm f/2 IS, I'll get one of those.   I seldom shoot below f/2.0 anyway and IS would be very nice.  Canon has done a terrific job with the other IS primes released recently.  The size of the Sigma is a negative in my book.


Expect the new Canon 50 IS to highly consistently follow in the footsteps of the 24/28/35 non-L IS refreshes.

Expect the new Sigma 50 to highly consistently follow the Sigma 35 Art.

So I expect the new Sigma 50 to be slightly sharper than the new Canon 50 and likely be a shade quicker (again, that max aperture of the new Canon is unknown), but the Canon will be smaller and have IS.  I expect in this forum, between those two lenses it will be a 50-50 split of readers as for what's best for them.

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Re: Sigma Announces the 50 f/1.4 Art Lens & More
« Reply #104 on: January 07, 2014, 02:51:20 PM »