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Re: CES 2014. Nikon D4s is a fact. What can be expected from Canon?
« Reply #30 on: January 07, 2014, 03:28:10 PM »
That's what I was thinking too. "Don't go guys... we have something GREAT in store for you. Have faith!"

Yep, we have the D4s - it has a new Expeed processor that will really make your jpg images pop, because we know none of you out there shoot NEF files.  Oh, and better AF.  Better how?  Just better.  Trust us.

You underestimate the importance of a good JPEG algorithm for professional sports photographers who shoot 1000s of pictures a day and don't have the time to do raw conversion.

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Re: CES 2014. Nikon D4s is a fact. What can be expected from Canon?
« Reply #31 on: January 07, 2014, 03:34:10 PM »
You underestimate the importance of a good JPEG algorithm for professional sports photographers who shoot 1000s of pictures a day and don't have the time to do raw conversion.

So the JPG output from the D4 is subpar?
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Re: CES 2014. Nikon D4s is a fact. What can be expected from Canon?
« Reply #32 on: January 07, 2014, 03:39:56 PM »
Hi, there was some movement on the "dark side", so what's next for us "Canonites"?

http://nikonrumors.com/2014/01/06/nikon-announces-the-development-of-the-nikon-d4s-camera.aspx/#more-69908

not a whole lot of info there other than improved AF

I wonder what they mean by HD-SLR?

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Re: CES 2014. Nikon D4s is a fact. What can be expected from Canon?
« Reply #33 on: January 07, 2014, 03:52:00 PM »
You underestimate the importance of a good JPEG algorithm for professional sports photographers who shoot 1000s of pictures a day and don't have the time to do raw conversion.

So the JPG output from the D4 is subpar?


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Re: CES 2014. Nikon D4s is a fact. What can be expected from Canon?
« Reply #34 on: January 07, 2014, 03:56:22 PM »
I wonder what they mean by HD-SLR?

HD-SLR = camera.   :P   HD as in HD video.  They call them all that, now (well, all of them except the Df - that's for 'pure photography'  :P :P).  The D4s HD-SLR is replacing the D4 HD-SLR.  They also just announced the D3300 HD-SLR. 
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Re: CES 2014. Nikon D4s is a fact. What can be expected from Canon?
« Reply #35 on: January 07, 2014, 04:07:12 PM »
And if it does or bests Canon, what then?
Does? All of the Nikon FF cameras best Canon *now*.

You're welcome to your own opinion, but that opinion obviously differs from that of the majority of people actually buying Canon and Nikon FF cameras.


If one values dynamic range and cutting edge sensor technology, it's pretty clear who the leader is now. 
Who buys what is a red herring.
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Re: CES 2014. Nikon D4s is a fact. What can be expected from Canon?
« Reply #36 on: January 07, 2014, 04:12:17 PM »
And if it does or bests Canon, what then?
Does? All of the Nikon FF cameras best Canon *now*.
You're welcome to your own opinion, but that opinion obviously differs from that of the majority of people actually buying Canon and Nikon FF cameras.
If one values dynamic range and cutting edge sensor technology, it's pretty clear who the leader is now.

Apparently those who value dynamic range and cutting edge sensor technology to the exclusion of other aspects of camera performance are in the minority.

If one values overall camera and system performance, it's pretty clear who the leader is now...and for the past 10 years. 
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Re: CES 2014. Nikon D4s is a fact. What can be expected from Canon?
« Reply #37 on: January 07, 2014, 04:13:35 PM »
If you can't recover highlights, who cares if you have two extra FPS and built in GPS with Insta-Facebook upload?

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Re: CES 2014. Nikon D4s is a fact. What can be expected from Canon?
« Reply #38 on: January 07, 2014, 04:16:33 PM »
If you can't recover highlights, who cares if you have two extra FPS and built in GPS with Insta-Facebook upload?
Eehhh ... and that refers to which camera(s) ??
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Re: CES 2014. Nikon D4s is a fact. What can be expected from Canon?
« Reply #39 on: January 07, 2014, 04:18:43 PM »
And if it does or bests Canon, what then?
Does? All of the Nikon FF cameras best Canon *now*.

You're welcome to your own opinion, but that opinion obviously differs from that of the majority of people actually buying Canon and Nikon FF cameras.


If one values dynamic range and cutting edge sensor technology, it's pretty clear who the leader is now.

If the only component of a camera that you place any value on whatsoever is the sensor, then why are you worshiping Nikon? They didn't even make the sensor!

If you can't recover highlights, who cares if you have two extra FPS and built in GPS with Insta-Facebook upload?

And who uses a 1D X for facebook uploads using it's non-existent WiFi and GPS?

Just look at any major sporting event - how many more white lenses do you see there than black lenses?
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Re: CES 2014. Nikon D4s is a fact. What can be expected from Canon?
« Reply #40 on: January 07, 2014, 04:20:25 PM »
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If one values dynamic range and cutting edge sensor technology, it's pretty clear who the leader is now.
How many clients care about the sensor technology used? The closest I've been asked was "MF or small frame". In focus or not is also much higher on the priority, esp in sports, then some noise in pushed shadows, cue the colorblind AF in the Nikons and the red (induced) shift.

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Re: CES 2014. Nikon D4s is a fact. What can be expected from Canon?
« Reply #41 on: January 07, 2014, 04:23:36 PM »

If the only component of a camera that you place any value on whatsoever is the sensor, then why are you worshiping Nikon? They didn't even make the sensor!

I never said that's the only aspect I value. But, since this is a device that takes images, I think the quality of the image sensor should be placed at the top of the list.

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Just look at any major sporting event - how many more white lenses do you see there than black lenses?

This seems like a very lemming-like way to make decisions.

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Re: CES 2014. Nikon D4s is a fact. What can be expected from Canon?
« Reply #42 on: January 07, 2014, 04:37:07 PM »
If you can't recover highlights, who cares if you have two extra FPS and built in GPS with Insta-Facebook upload?

If you are shooting at ISO 3200, does the D4 still have better DR?

If your autofocus gives you a blurry image, who cares if you have an extra stop or two of dynamic range?

If you miss a key moment because your frame rate was too slow, who cares if you can't recover a blown highlight?

If you need a 17mm TS/PC lens, or a hand-holdable 600mm f/4 lens, how useful is a sensor with better low ISO DR?

If you can't expose to preserve highlights when you need to, should you find a new hobby/job?
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Re: CES 2014. Nikon D4s is a fact. What can be expected from Canon?
« Reply #43 on: January 07, 2014, 04:39:08 PM »
So all those DR and DxO score 'discussions' on the introns were for naught?

Why can't we all just get along and take a cue from Kai at Digital Rev?

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Re: CES 2014. Nikon D4s is a fact. What can be expected from Canon?
« Reply #44 on: January 07, 2014, 04:39:51 PM »

If the only component of a camera that you place any value on whatsoever is the sensor, then why are you worshiping Nikon? They didn't even make the sensor!

I never said that's the only aspect I value. But, since this is a device that takes images, I think the quality of the image sensor should be placed at the top of the list.

It is a certainly one of the many components that go into making the image. For scenes that don't move and photographers that are happy doing everything manual, it's pretty much all down to the senor and lens. But most people don't buy a camera like the D4 or the 1D X for landscape shots. There are cheaper cameras out there with lessor frame rates, AF and greater MP.

The D4 and the 1D X sacrifice sensor resolution solely to be able to capture the money shots - in other words, the decisive moments in non repeatable situations. Who's going to ask Usain Bolt to re-run the race because the AF was slightly off or the frame rate wasn't quite high enough to capture the moment. I'm not saying the D4 isn't a fantastic tool, or the 1D X is perfection. But I am saying its a better tool for the job than the D4.

A good camera helps the photographer get the money shot. Timing and focus are much more important than DR.

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Just look at any major sporting event - how many more white lenses do you see there than black lenses?

This seems like a very lemming-like way to make decisions.

So you'd say that those working professionals are ill-informed, and your escape from Nikon fanboy land into here is proof that the majority of them are wrong?
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