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Re: Price predictions - with current lineup and possible changes
« Reply #30 on: September 23, 2010, 08:37:47 AM »
Wikipedia (yeah yeah...) had some info about the loyalty program on the EF lenses article (go to the section about L lenses).  I think they said something like one pro body (which at this point means no lower than the 7D, it seems clear that the 60D isn't supposed to qualify as a "pro" camera...) and three (or maybe just two?) L lenses.  I think that was for the US, and could be different for other regions.

You're talking about something different - the 'loyalty program' is where you trade in an older model of a Canon camera for a discount on a refurbished unit of a current model.  The program you are talking about (where you must own a certain number of bodies and lenses) is Canon Professional Services.  The requirements are fairly modest - in the US, you need two 20Ds or better or a single 1-series (i.e. no Rebels) - for the highest membership level you need a current 1-series body.  You need 3 'pro lenses' - and note that 'pro' ≠ L-series.  There are EF-S lenses on the 'pro' list (17-55, 10-22, 60mm macro), older EF lenses (e.g. 20/2.8, 50/2.5 compact macro), and heck, even the 28-135 kit lens is on the pro list.
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Re: Price predictions - with current lineup and possible changes
« Reply #30 on: September 23, 2010, 08:37:47 AM »

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« Reply #31 on: September 23, 2010, 08:13:00 PM »
You're talking about something different - the 'loyalty program' is where you trade in an older model of a Canon camera for a discount on a refurbished unit of a current model.  The program you are talking about (where you must own a certain number of bodies and lenses) is Canon Professional Services.  The requirements are fairly modest - in the US, you need two 20Ds or better or a single 1-series (i.e. no Rebels) - for the highest membership level you need a current 1-series body.  You need 3 'pro lenses' - and note that 'pro' ≠ L-series.  There are EF-S lenses on the 'pro' list (17-55, 10-22, 60mm macro), older EF lenses (e.g. 20/2.8, 50/2.5 compact macro), and heck, even the 28-135 kit lens is on the pro list.
Right you are, I was thinking of CPS and actually totally missed the part where trades were being mentioned (???).  I'll look into that list, see if I'm just 1/3 the way to CPS on the lens list or 2/3.

So that leaves me wondering if I can trade in my T1i with Canon, to better effect than selling it or trading it into a camera store.

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Re: Price predictions - with current lineup and possible changes
« Reply #32 on: September 23, 2010, 10:17:40 PM »
Is the loyalty program not solely for people with broken cameras that are out of warranty or for damage not covered by warranty?

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Re: Price predictions - with current lineup and possible changes
« Reply #33 on: October 29, 2010, 06:58:42 PM »
So I promised I would get back to you all. Here is what I found out and did.

First, I started by emailing Canon and telling them about my two cameras I would be interested in trading. The person who responded via email told me to call a number and tell them that I had been offered the Loyalty program. (I think I had already told you all this...any BTW, I am in the US).

I ended up calling in twice. The first time I was told that I could trade in my 20D for a 5DmkII and it would cost me $1679.20. I was also told that I could trade for a 7D for $1,100. Please remember that these are REFURBISHED units and not brand new. Also, the body only cameras are what are in the program, no bodies w/ lenses. They come w/ a 90 day warranty and I believe about a week to send it back for any reason. I needed to think about it and so I didn't purchase at that time.

So after the first call, I called and talked to another lady as I was ready to order. Long story short, they were out of stock. The lady gave me the website where I could look to check for when they got more back in stock. Needless to say I was bummed. I also, in the interest of full disclosure (and not wanting to cheat them) mentioned that the guy in the email never asked what was wrong w/ my camera. I told her that they were not broken beyond use, but that the 20D had given me problems in the past and that the A series point and shoot only had one of the lens protectors broken off. She said that it didn't matter (as the cameras get shipped directly to a recycler that destroys them).

Wait, there is more good news... you can now trade in an old point and shoot and upgrade to an SLR!! Not joking. The lady told me that if my 20D was still working sometimes, I could just keep it and trade in my point and shoot. I made her clarify for me that I would in fact get the exact same discount trading in my old Powershot A series that I would get for trading in my 20D, and she said yes, and again confirmed the price. She said you used to have to trade in an slr for an slr or a PS for a PS, but that they had just recently lifted the restriction. So, I set myself to stalking Canon's site waiting for it to come in stock again.

Fast forward to today...5DmkII refurbished was in stock. I called and ordered, but get this, the price had changed...it was now $1,599.20!!  ;D So anyway, I have a new camera coming and it should be here next week (fast shipping too). The way I look at it, I should be able to sell this used a year from now and upgrade if I like the new 5D when it comes out, and in the mean time I got to use an upgraded camera for a year or so. Or maybe I will like this one enough and just hang onto it.

Anyway, thought you all would want to know! :)

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Re: Price predictions - with current lineup and possible changes
« Reply #34 on: October 30, 2010, 04:19:02 PM »
Crazy.  Did you have to have anything else to qualify?  Or was it really just as simple as sending out the A-series and getting credit towards the 5D Mark II?

What is this website, also?  I'm wondering how their prices compare to B&H and Adorama Camera.

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« Reply #35 on: October 31, 2010, 06:31:41 PM »
Crazy.  Did you have to have anything else to qualify?  Or was it really just as simple as sending out the A-series and getting credit towards the 5D Mark II?

What is this website, also?  I'm wondering how their prices compare to B&H and Adorama Camera.


No, nothing else. Heck, I just told them I had an A series I wanted to trade in w/ the Loyalty program. I didn't give my model number or anything. Not even the serial number. I thought it was kind of crazy too. I was actually keeping the serial numbers with me at all times so that if I saw the cameras were back in stock I could call.

So, the websites...the first one where I made my initial contact was just the Canon USA website: http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/home The site where I was checking for stock is here: http://shop.usa.canon.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/subCategory_10051_10051_-1_29252 The link I posted should take you to a search for refurbished EOS slr cameras. Looks like the 5DmkII and 7D are still in stock as of today (10-31-10). Please note: they do NOT list the Loyalty Program prices there. I had to call in to get those. They are cheaper than the listed prices there.

Hope that helps! If you are curious, or have more questions, I can try to answer them, but really, I would just contact Canon. EVERY time I email I get a good, complete, informative answer, and I get one quickly (I have probably emailed them 5 times this past year for various reasons). They are also super nice and helpful on the phone. I spoke to a different person each of the 3 times I called and all were very helpful and friendly. Canon has definitely won points with me for customer service!

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Re: Price predictions - with current lineup and possible changes
« Reply #36 on: November 01, 2010, 12:17:55 PM »
For $400 off the price of a direct refurb, if you're interested in a refurb at all, just buy a used PowerShot - $50 on Amazon or less on eBay - and trade it in!
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Re: Price predictions - with current lineup and possible changes
« Reply #36 on: November 01, 2010, 12:17:55 PM »

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Re: Price predictions - with current lineup and possible changes
« Reply #37 on: November 01, 2010, 08:18:07 PM »
Crazy.  Did you have to have anything else to qualify?  Or was it really just as simple as sending out the A-series and getting credit towards the 5D Mark II?

What is this website, also?  I'm wondering how their prices compare to B&H and Adorama Camera.


No, nothing else. Heck, I just told them I had an A series I wanted to trade in w/ the Loyalty program. I didn't give my model number or anything. Not even the serial number. I thought it was kind of crazy too. I was actually keeping the serial numbers with me at all times so that if I saw the cameras were back in stock I could call.

So, the websites...the first one where I made my initial contact was just the Canon USA website: http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/home The site where I was checking for stock is here: http://shop.usa.canon.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/subCategory_10051_10051_-1_29252 The link I posted should take you to a search for refurbished EOS slr cameras. Looks like the 5DmkII and 7D are still in stock as of today (10-31-10). Please note: they do NOT list the Loyalty Program prices there. I had to call in to get those. They are cheaper than the listed prices there.

Hope that helps! If you are curious, or have more questions, I can try to answer them, but really, I would just contact Canon. EVERY time I email I get a good, complete, informative answer, and I get one quickly (I have probably emailed them 5 times this past year for various reasons). They are also super nice and helpful on the phone. I spoke to a different person each of the 3 times I called and all were very helpful and friendly. Canon has definitely won points with me for customer service!



I just called to try to trade in an old camera of mine and I was told that the 5DmkII was taken off the Canon Loyalty program today and was told that it might not come back and after I finally decided that I could afford the camera at that price its now $400 more.   

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Re: Price predictions - with current lineup and possible changes
« Reply #38 on: November 01, 2010, 10:49:57 PM »
...and I was told that the 5DmkII was taken off the Canon Loyalty program today...

 :'( Nooooooooooo!  They must have read this thread :)

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Re: Price predictions - with current lineup and possible changes
« Reply #39 on: November 02, 2010, 02:04:32 AM »
Oh man! That totally stinks  :( Sorry to hear that everyone. I'm kinda doubting it was because of this thread ;) I wonder if this maybe means something else is coming? It was weird because the first price I was quotes was $1680, but it was out of stock but when it was back in stock I was quoted $1600. Of course I didn't ask too many questions, I just bought it (figured that was the smart thing).

skiorules - did they say if the 7D was still on it? They were offering that for $1,100 on the loyalty program. That was going to be my backup choice if the 5D never came back in stock. Not exactly my first choice, but still an upgrade to my 20D, and enough to tide me over for a year. I know none of the 1D series cameras are in the program (yes, I asked  ::) ).

Man, I really wonder why they did that, or why they don't at least offer it but at a smaller discount (more like $200 'ish off; like the 7D is). It wouldn't be as good of a deal, but definitely still worth it.

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Re: Price predictions - with current lineup and possible changes
« Reply #40 on: November 02, 2010, 08:11:52 PM »
Yes the 7D was still an option at $1087.20 and the 50D at $719.20.  I hope that at some point in the future they add the 5DmkII back into the program.  I was told it has been taken out before and was brought back in.  Maybe it is because of the holidays?

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Re: Price predictions - with current lineup and possible changes
« Reply #41 on: November 02, 2010, 08:29:26 PM »
I looked at the site earlier today and saw a 5D Mark II on there...maybe have another look.

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« Reply #42 on: November 02, 2010, 09:25:36 PM »
Yes its on the site to buy the refurbished for the $1999.99, just not available to get in the Canon Loyalty Program at the additional discounted price mentioned in an earlier post for the $1680 or $1599.

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Re: Price predictions - with current lineup and possible changes
« Reply #42 on: November 02, 2010, 09:25:36 PM »