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cayenne

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Re: Getting into Videography | Workflow and Equipment
« Reply #15 on: April 09, 2015, 03:21:54 PM »
mkabi,

Thank you very much for your response! Since we will 'likely' also be shooting a wedding it knocks us down to two cameras and the available lenses. I have never tinkered with any video editing software and am not certain how long I should anticipate the editing process to last, especially with the learning curve it will bring with it.

I will definitely look into Premier, Final Cut 7, DaVinci, and After Effects.

This is a terrific start, thank you again!
-Tabor

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Re: Getting into Videography | Workflow and Equipment
« Reply #15 on: April 09, 2015, 03:21:54 PM »

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Re: Getting into Videography | Workflow, Equipment, and length
« Reply #16 on: April 09, 2015, 03:31:13 PM »
In addition to your lav mics.I"d recommend the Rode Videomic shotgun for ON camera:

http://www.amazon.com/Rode-Videomic-Shotgun-Microphone-Rycote/dp/B00CAE8PM4

It has been a workhorse for me.

Also, I think you said you're shooting with 5D3's too. It is VERY important to get white balance right IN camera. You don't have the dynamic range of a RAW still photo (unless you want to delve into Magic Lantern and do RAW video..I'm about to try that, but don't start with that added bit of complexity).....I use the ExpoDisc to shoot a still of where I"m about to video..and set custom WB with that...worth its weight in gold:

http://www.amazon.com/ExpoDisc-EXPOD2-77-Professional-Balance-Filter/dp/B00GUQJZCW

I have also found the Xrite Passport to be very useful, you can shoot video of this in your lighting situation, and in Davinci Resolve map to it for almost instant color correction before you start grading. I bought mine as a special combo with the Sekonic L-478 DR Light meter which works for stills AND video....

But the Xrite by itself:

http://www.amazon.com/X-Rite-MSCCPP-ColorChecker-Passport/dp/B002NU5UW8

Getting that WB is a HUGE thing to get right,especially if you cannot control the lighting situation fully to make sure all lights are the same color temperature. That was a huge hurdle I had to learn to overcome in early shooting....I do cooking videos, and I swapped EVERY light in my kitchen/living room area to the same color temp lights as my set lighting on stands with soft boxes..etc....

Anyway, just posting this in spurts...hope it helps.

cayenne

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Re: Getting into Videography | Workflow, Equipment, and length
« Reply #17 on: April 09, 2015, 03:47:44 PM »
cayenne,

That helps tremendously!

I was just watching videos done by some of the high-end pros in the area to see where I could improve the overall quality of our product. One of the factors I kept noticing was white balance issues. Sometimes they would have three different cameras going and all three had a noticeably different white balance setting. I have become so used to fixing white balance in post that I was thinking it would be a fairly non-issue to do on the video format. Thanks for the heads up there!

I am decently familiar with setting the custom white balance, but will dedicate some serious hours into getting it nailed prior to my first shoot coming up. Fortunately for me, my first video gig is a fairly small birthday party, but I still want to improve as much as I can even before that event.

I'm starting to really see the value in having a videographer who has the right equipment and knows what they are doing. I shoot ~50 weddings per year and have yet to have worked with an exceptionally great videographer. With that, I'm trying to learn as much as I can to fill that void in our market. With that, I will certainly go ahead and look into the links you placed.

Thank you again!
-Tabor
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Re: Getting into Videography | Workflow, Equipment, and length
« Reply #18 on: April 09, 2015, 05:48:36 PM »
In video white balance presets, or even manaul are your friend when you have time.

I generally shoot with a calumet greyscale reference card at the head of the clip in each new location.  So long as my WB is consistent and fairly close, it's easy to fix.  Auto WB could be doing anything.  Confused by terracota walls, confused by a blue dress, confused by the stained glass.  Auto WB, like auto anything in video.... bad news.

The biggest thing as I said, is that video is contiguous, not selected moments where everything worked.  No disrespect to photographers (who have great AF and LR) intended.  Nope.  None at all.
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Re: Getting into Videography | Workflow, Equipment, and length
« Reply #19 on: April 09, 2015, 10:15:26 PM »
The biggest thing as I said, is that video is contiguous, not selected moments where everything worked.  No disrespect to photographers (who have great AF and LR) intended.  Nope.  None at all.

None taken.

I have respect for videographers and great respect for great videographers. I was watching a video this afternoon and the garter toss was only in focus during ~30% of the clip. Realistically though, if I was photographing the same scene and only got a third of my shots in focus, I would edit the 33% and disregard the others. Videographers, to an extent, do not have that luxury.

Now it's on to manual focus practice. Suddenly I wish the screens on the 5D3 were significantly bigger...

Cheers!
-Tabor
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Re: Getting into Videography | Workflow, Equipment, and length
« Reply #20 on: April 10, 2015, 12:47:57 AM »
Video is spendy.  In fact just because something will be used for video it's likely 3x the photographers price for something similar. Yes you can do video on a budget but you'll constantly compromise. Your glass is good. The bodies are good but the supplemental gear you need. 

Don't short yourself on the education and practice. Capturing the footage, grading it, manipulating the gigantic size data, editing, and ultimately ending with something that fit the vision is HARD!

I didn't list the cables and plates and furries and cards etc. accessories but they are definitely needed.

I would also suggest a fake wedding. Sounds silly but hear me out. Hire the models, have a local shop provide the dress, and then do the church and a banquet hall. You won't need to rent the locations just tell them it's a setup for a future gig and you can pretty much do any weekday for free. You'll be able to see the white balance nightmares and ISO/glass combos you like. Prepare a shot list just like the real deal.

Buy this:

Adobe CC Premier and After Effects

A NAS and some big fast hard drives

A wicked fast PC running on latest SSDs, tons of RAM, giant cup, and a graphics card with crazy amount of cuda cores

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/683559-REG/Manfrotto_504HD_504HD_Fluid_Video_Head.html

A center column leveling set of sticks - will save you Lots of time

http://store.redrockmicro.com/Catalog/DSLR-Cinema-Studio-Rigs/

http://www.atomos.com/shogun/

http://www.k5600.com/kits/prjb800kit/index.html

http://www.rode.com/microphones/ntg-2

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/618739-REG/Sennheiser_EW_112P_G3_A_EW112_p_G3_Camera_Mount.html

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/967366-REG/zoom_h6_handy_audio_recorder.html

http://www.lynda.com/Video-training-tutorials/78-0.html?bnr=NMHP_blocks

https://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/shanesinnercircle/?tm=ic

http://www.videocopilot.net/tutorials/

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Re: Getting into Videography | Workflow, Equipment, and length
« Reply #21 on: April 10, 2015, 10:53:33 AM »
RickSpringfield,

Thank you very  much for your input and links!

I'm getting the idea of just how expensive and time consuming all of this is, yet it's still exciting! We have ~50 weddings coming up this year, almost all of which will not have a serious videographer. I have considered talking with some of them after I feel like I have a quality product that I can produce. For starters we will be working with very simple events like initial engagement sessions and parties, but working our way into the wedding videography industry.

The equipment links, tutorial links, and advice are all invaluable information at this stage of the process. I have already begun learning all that I can prior to my first small video gig (a birthday party we are shooting on the 25th), but even just creating a finished product is going to come with a huge learning curve.

I have considered your idea of the fake wedding before, and am glad to hear it reiterated. Just like my first wedding to photograph, I know I'll have to do my best to bring nerves of steel to our first wedding video, even if it is a fake wedding.

Thank you again for everything,
-Tabor
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Re: Getting into Videography | Workflow, Equipment, and length
« Reply #21 on: April 10, 2015, 10:53:33 AM »

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Re: Getting into Videography | Workflow, Equipment, and length
« Reply #22 on: April 10, 2015, 12:57:43 PM »
The biggest thing as I said, is that video is contiguous, not selected moments where everything worked.  No disrespect to photographers (who have great AF and LR) intended.  Nope.  None at all.

None taken.

I have respect for videographers and great respect for great videographers. I was watching a video this afternoon and the garter toss was only in focus during ~30% of the clip. Realistically though, if I was photographing the same scene and only got a third of my shots in focus, I would edit the 33% and disregard the others. Videographers, to an extent, do not have that luxury.

Now it's on to manual focus practice. Suddenly I wish the screens on the 5D3 were significantly bigger...

Cheers!
-Tabor

I let things drift in and out of focus, but it's usually in a predicatable way.  With video you might find that you use smaller apertures, wider angles, and zone focusing more frequently.   Something being out of focus at the start or end of a shot isn't always the end of the world.  So long as the shot motiviation is at the focus bite point.

It's not rocket science or I couldn't do it, but working in both disciplines, I think video is harder.  In some ways.
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Re: Getting into Videography | Workflow, Equipment, and length
« Reply #23 on: May 19, 2015, 01:35:17 AM »
Hey everyone!

So here is my very first video. I am now heavily investing in audio recording equipment and stabilization. I learned a ton from my first experience, and would value your feedback.

Thank you again for being the amazing people you are, and I hope you enjoy the show!

http://photosbytabor.com/brodys-birthday-video-tulsa-cinematographers/

Cheers!
-Tabor
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Re: Getting into Videography | Workflow, Equipment, and length
« Reply #24 on: May 19, 2015, 01:27:10 PM »
Hey everyone!

So here is my very first video. I am now heavily investing in audio recording equipment and stabilization. I learned a ton from my first experience, and would value your feedback.

Thank you again for being the amazing people you are, and I hope you enjoy the show!

http://photosbytabor.com/brodys-birthday-video-tulsa-cinematographers/

Cheers!
-Tabor
Hm.....I got audio, but saw no video....
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Re: Getting into Videography | Workflow, Equipment, and length
« Reply #25 on: May 21, 2015, 01:07:57 PM »
Hey everyone!

So here is my very first video. I am now heavily investing in audio recording equipment and stabilization. I learned a ton from my first experience, and would value your feedback.

Thank you again for being the amazing people you are, and I hope you enjoy the show!

http://photosbytabor.com/brodys-birthday-video-tulsa-cinematographers/

Cheers!
-Tabor
Hm.....I got audio, but saw no video....
:(

That's odd! I wonder I just checked on my side and it all seems to be working fine. I wonder if anyone else has had that problem.

Here is the Vimeo direct link; https://vimeo.com/127223798

Thank you very much for letting me know! I'll see if there is anything I can tweak.

Cheers!
-Tabor
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Re: Getting into Videography | Workflow, Equipment, and length
« Reply #25 on: May 21, 2015, 01:07:57 PM »