Photokina 2010 Report

[tzalmagor]

...based on the last decade, five lenses is on par for Canon, so I would think any additional lens announcements at Photokina would be a surprise, rather than the expected.

Wait, wait - you mean that they aren't going to announce a 24-70mm f/2.8L IS?!??!?  I thought that was 'for sure, take it to the bank...'

 

As I stated before (though I don't recall using the words 'for sure, take it to the bank...') I think Canon will, only *next* year.

[size]

I think it's a mistake 
It is the 8-15 F4 L USM

I'm waiting for it....

[DeeWee]

Thanks for covering a bit of Leica show, that was classy

[neuroanatomist]

...based on the last decade, five lenses is on par for Canon, so I would think any additional lens announcements at Photokina would be a surprise, rather than the expected.

Wait, wait - you mean that they aren't going to announce a 24-70mm f/2.8L IS?!??!?  I thought that was 'for sure, take it to the bank...'

 

As I stated before (though I don't recall using the words 'for sure, take it to the bank...') I think Canon will, only *next* year.

Yeah, I was being sarcastic.  Sorry!  But I do recall the same thing (they'll release it *next* year) being said in 2009...

[tzalmagor]

As I stated before (though I don't recall using the words 'for sure, take it to the bank...') I think Canon will, only *next* year.

Yeah, I was being sarcastic.  Sorry!  But I do recall the same thing (they'll release it *next* year) being said in 2009...

Not by me.

[peejay]

This is really so disappointing.

I've been holding off making a decision to buy a camera because the 1ds life cycle is due. I've been renting and wasting money. Right now I really think Canon sucks - time for me to jump to Medium Format Digital I think.

Surely, there's no way that they'd make an announcement at the end of the show and lose out on the exposure. Corporate a-holes don't do surprises bigger than calculator mouses. Their blood is too thick, cold and slimy.

[richy]

Ah well, I guess thats it, back to waiting.  Whens the next likely time for announcements? Next Feb?

Thanks to Mrs CR guy for letting him attend PK on your honeymoon.

I guess since no 1ds4 (besides a picture taken on one) its time to test the s2 against the h4d40 and the phaseone 645. Anybody got experience of these?

[richy]

This is really so disappointing.

I've been holding off making a decision to buy a camera because the 1ds life cycle is due. I've been renting and wasting money. Right now I really think Canon sucks - time for me to jump to Medium Format Digital I think.

Surely, there's no way that they'd make an announcement at the end of the show and lose out on the exposure. Corporate a-holes don't do surprises bigger than calculator mouses. Their blood is to thick and slimy.

I'm thinking the same, posted the same time as you! Looking to use it for studio / outdoor portraits / wedding formals etc. Which way you leaning? Leica, hassie, leaf, contax or P1?

I'm begining to think central shutter is a must, syncing at 1/800 - 1/1600 and being able to work in film is great.

I know the 1ds4 would be more flexible but I can keep my current dslrs for flexibility and add the mfd when its easiest to do so.

[that1guy]

Thanks for checking out the Schneider lenses. Man, they are huge! Did they give you any kind of estimated price on those things?

All I have to say about Sigma is "wow." That is crazy that they didn't know what one of their own products was. It's funny, your experience with their people matches my experience with their products; hit or miss. It's a shame really, as they do have some neat technology. Did they have any sample prints from that new 15'ish MP Foveon camera (SD1 I believe)? If so, what did you think of them?

[c.d.embrey]

Many pros (myself included) have no issues with it assuming you accept it only has one great af point. That sensor for that $ is awesome, they had to put a semi crippled af in otherwise who would buy the 1ds3?

Nikon doesn't seem to have any problem with using the same metering and auto focus on ALL their pro cameras. Why can't Canon do the same? Why can't the 7D have the same focus and metering as a 1D IV? If they did this than the 60D could have the improved focus developed for the 7D (if the 7D had 1D IV focus) and the T2i could use the 40D focus. Three segments - consumer, prosumer and pro. Nikon only has two segments - consumer with SD cards and Pro with CF cards and the best metering and focus.

I'd buy a fully pro 5D MII over a 1Ds III because of lighter weight, while others would buy 1Ds III because of tougher build. Nikon gives you the choice between a D700 and a D3s, and both sell well! But it seems like I'll have to buy the D700 replacement (D800?) if I want a Pro Camera in a Small Body, because Canon has stopped listening to their customers who aren't interested in V-DSLRs.

[J]

I emailed Canon USA about the AWESOME calculator mouse. Here is their reply:

Dear [name removed]:

Thank you for contacting Canon product support.  We value you as a Canon
customer and appreciate the opportunity to assist you with your
question.

The Canon USA Marketing Department has not announced any plans to
release a U.S. equivalent of the X Mark I Mouse.  I would, however, be
glad to forward this message to one of my superiors on your behalf, as a
suggestion bring this product state side.

Please let us know if we can be of any further assistance with Canon's
products and services.

Thank you for choosing Canon.

Sincerely,

[name removed]
Technical Support Representative

It's too bad. I might have to import one from Canon UK, where it looks like they will carry it. I think it would be a great nerd gift. I personally could use it in my day job...

[c.d.embrey]

I'm thinking the same, posted the same time as you! Looking to use it for studio / outdoor portraits / wedding formals etc. Which way you leaning? Leica, hassie, leaf, contax or P1?

I'm begining to think central shutter is a must, syncing at 1/800 - 1/1600 and being able to work in film is great.

I know the 1ds4 would be more flexible but I can keep my current dslrs for flexibility and add the mfd when its easiest to do so.

Schneider is making a Tilt Shift for the Phase One/Mamiya, here's the brochure  http://www.captureintegration.com/wp-content/uploads/Schneider-120mm-TS.pdf  One more reason to move to MF digital/film.

Last years CaNikon with this years MF would make a good combo. If you have never shot tethered into Phase One Capture One you have no idea what you are missing (C1 works with DSLRs too).

[peejay]

This is really so disappointing.

I've been holding off making a decision to buy a camera because the 1ds life cycle is due. I've been renting and wasting money. Right now I really think Canon sucks - time for me to jump to Medium Format Digital I think.

Surely, there's no way that they'd make an announcement at the end of the show and lose out on the exposure. Corporate a-holes don't do surprises bigger than calculator mouses. Their blood is to thick and slimy.

I'm thinking the same, posted the same time as you! Looking to use it for studio / outdoor portraits / wedding formals etc. Which way you leaning? Leica, hassie, leaf, contax or P1?

I'm begining to think central shutter is a must, syncing at 1/800 - 1/1600 and being able to work in film is great.

I know the 1ds4 would be more flexible but I can keep my current dslrs for flexibility and add the mfd when its easiest to do so.

Sucks don't it?

Not sure. I'm not particularly enamored by any of the cameras, except for the Leica S2. Pricey though, right?

I like the Hasselblad, I've found a very decent price on an HD3-39 but I'm not sure about the closed system and I prefer the look of the files form the Phase backs which I've used a fair bit. The Hasselblad H System I like but I'm not so sure of the backs...

It's looking like the Mamiya/Phase option I think, Or a V series Blad, but I would rather AF. I find the Mamiya a rather dull and uninspiring camera. The contax 645 was/is nice, but I don't want to invest in a redundant system. Blad V Series seems like a safe choice but I really could do with AF and a zoom...not that AF speed is that quick on the MF cameras, but it's nice to have the accuracy (hopefully) hat AF gives.

The Leaf AFi was a very interesting and a really possible route, shame it didn't work out. I've used the Leaf backs a fair bit though and find the colour and tone flat in comparison to the Phase backs.

So, I think it needs to be a Phase back but I'm not convinced by any one camera system yet. Shame when the system is a rather hefty investment.

I hate decisions like this, but I'm not waiting any longer for this damn Canon camera. And the extra I will spend I will gain in quality so I'm fine with that and I need to invest for tax reasons too.

So with all that in mind...I have no idea.

And you? What system do you like and are drawn too?

[peejay]

Last years CaNikon with this years MF would make a good combo. If you have never shot tethered into Phase One Capture One you have no idea what you are missing (C1 works with DSLRs too).

You're right. Capture One is nice to use, but for Canon, the results are far greater shooting tethered into DPP. It just looks how it's suppose to. I don't like the way Capture One renders the Canon files, flatter, off colour, depending of corse which shooting profile you are using.

Shame DPP is such a slug to use.

[c.d.embrey]

You're right. Capture One is nice to use, but for Canon, the results are far greater shooting tethered into DPP. It just looks how it's suppose to. I don't like the way Capture One renders the Canon files, flatter, off colour, depending of corse which shooting profile you are using.

Shame DPP is such a slug to use.

I have no problem getting a look the client likes with C1. But I do like DPP, and do use it to convert/correct some things I shoot on location. Too bad that Canon hasn't put the effort into developing what could be a really superior program.