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Re: Patents: Canon 85mm f/1.8 IS, 100mm f/2 IS, 135 f/2 IS
« Reply #30 on: January 22, 2014, 08:16:39 AM »
ooh.  I want an 85mm f/1.8 IS!

+1, also an IS version of the 135L f/2 (not the 2.8 version listed here - meh).
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Re: Patents: Canon 85mm f/1.8 IS, 100mm f/2 IS, 135 f/2 IS
« Reply #30 on: January 22, 2014, 08:16:39 AM »

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Re: Patents: Canon 85mm f/1.8 IS, 100mm f/2 IS, 135 f/2 IS
« Reply #31 on: January 22, 2014, 09:02:59 AM »
I don't see the point of a 135 f/2.8.
At the time of superlative sharp f/2.8 zoom lenses (24-70 II and 70-200 II), why would you buy a 135 that doesn't add anything "big" to your pics ? Maybe a tiny little bit sharpening ? Is it really worth it…? For me, it definitely ain't.



I see the point - small and light 135 2.8 IS prime for M would be nice :)

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Re: Patents: Canon 85mm f/1.8 IS, 100mm f/2 IS, 135 f/2 IS
« Reply #32 on: January 22, 2014, 09:29:12 AM »
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Re: Patents: Canon 85mm f/1.8 IS, 100mm f/2 IS, 135 f/2 IS
« Reply #33 on: January 22, 2014, 09:33:55 AM »
I don't see the point of a 135 f/2.8.
At the time of superlative sharp f/2.8 zoom lenses (24-70 II and 70-200 II), why would you buy a 135 that doesn't add anything "big" to your pics ? Maybe a tiny little bit sharpening ? Is it really worth it…? For me, it definitely ain't.



I see the point - small and light 135 2.8 IS prime for M would be nice :)

Definitely cheaper than a 70-200/2.8 IS II too.

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Re: Patents: Canon 85mm f/1.8 IS, 100mm f/2 IS, 135 f/2 IS
« Reply #34 on: January 22, 2014, 10:48:43 AM »
Ok, I'll try this again.
I think this is a FAKE post.
Just look at the block diagrams before you get too excited!


http://egami.blog.so-net.ne.jp/2014-01-22
The reason you are getting no traction is because this is always the source of patents for canon lenses. If this is a fake post, so are about 1,000 others on Canon patents.

Furthermore, as these lenses are very similar in focal length, their block diagrams are naturally going to look very similar. The difference between an 85mm and 100mm lens is tiny; thus why their current iterations are very similar in optical quality. Below are the current 85mm and 100mm lenses. Obviously IS shifts things a bit, but notice that their diagrams, at least in the front groups, are basically the exact same.




PS: Red scare text in capitals isnt really going to make anyone read your point

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Re: Patents: Canon 85mm f/1.8 IS, 100mm f/2 IS, 135 f/2 IS
« Reply #35 on: January 22, 2014, 10:52:59 AM »
There's no assurance this patent will result in a lens sold on the shelves, but if 10 years of digital photography didn't kill the 135mm f/2.8 w/ softfocus, it must sell well enough to justify it's continue production, and even upgrade.
Actually, the 135mm f/2.8 is discontinued. I don't think Canon officially discontinued it, but, try and find it from a reputable dealer anymore...it's dead. The price of the 135mm f/2 coming down a lot basically killed it.

Of course, I also think a 135mm f/2.8 IS would be dead in the water as well. Who would buy it? It'd have to be priced under the 135L, and less than an 85 and 100 IS lens to even gain traction. More likely its just to protect the design

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/12064-USA/Canon_2516A003_Telephoto_EF_135mm_f_2_8.html

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Re: Patents: Canon 85mm f/1.8 IS, 100mm f/2 IS, 135 f/2 IS
« Reply #36 on: January 22, 2014, 12:01:09 PM »
I'll take the 85 !

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Re: Patents: Canon 85mm f/1.8 IS, 100mm f/2 IS, 135 f/2 IS
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Re: Patents: Canon 85mm f/1.8 IS, 100mm f/2 IS, 135 f/2 IS
« Reply #37 on: January 22, 2014, 12:06:18 PM »
Ok, I'll try this again.
I think this is a FAKE post.
Just look at the block diagrams before you get too excited!

http://egami.blog.so-net.ne.jp/2014-01-22
The reason you are getting no traction is because this is always the source of patents for canon lenses. If this is a fake post, so are about 1,000 others on Canon patents.

Furthermore, as these lenses are very similar in focal length, their block diagrams are naturally going to look very similar. The difference between an 85mm and 100mm lens is tiny; thus why their current iterations are very similar in optical quality. Below are the current 85mm and 100mm lenses. Obviously IS shifts things a bit, but notice that their diagrams, at least in the front groups, are basically the exact same.




PS: Red scare text in capitals isnt really going to make anyone read your point


Sorry if it was too crude, although clearly it made someone more knowledgeable (you) read them :)
Wasn't trying to scare anyone or seek attention, but I was just trying to get some clarification (I'll change the color). Like many, I am also an interested party and would like to know if this is genuine.

As I clearly mentioned, I am not an expert on block diagrams, but-
The IS elements are at the very back. Is that common?
As you mentioned, 85 1.8 and 100 2.0 are similar. However, 135 2.8 is wildly different.
Finally, while this might be a reliable source otherwise, that doesn't mean it can have false information.
Anyway, thanks for listening.
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Re: Patents: Canon 85mm f/1.8 IS, 100mm f/2 IS, 135 f/2 IS
« Reply #38 on: January 22, 2014, 01:04:16 PM »
It's interesting to see that the 135 f/2.8 Soft Focus isn't available at any of the major retailer's sites or from Canon's shop, but it's still listed in their line-up.  I realize it's quite out-dated, but it's been available pretty recently, from what I can remember.  Maybe one or all of these lenses are coming soon?

Also, with regards to the lens diagrams, take a look at the Mk II super telephotos - they are all nearly identical to each other - so it's not hard to imaging that these lenses could be as well given their similar focal lengths and Canon's desire to streamline design and manufacturing. 

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Re: Patents: Canon 85mm f/1.8 IS, 100mm f/2 IS, 135 f/2 IS
« Reply #39 on: January 22, 2014, 01:04:38 PM »
Of course, I also think a 135mm f/2.8 IS would be dead in the water as well. Who would buy it? It'd have to be priced under the 135L, and less than an 85 and 100 IS lens to even gain traction.

This is an easy one :)

Personally, I think the 135L f/2 will also be discontinued, and replaced with a 135L f/2 IS for double the price; 135mm is long enough where you really see some large benefits w/ IS.

As a result of that, this 135 f/2.8 IS lens will then be the only 135mm prime choice in the $500-$1000 range.
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Re: Patents: Canon 85mm f/1.8 IS, 100mm f/2 IS, 135 f/2 IS
« Reply #40 on: January 22, 2014, 01:34:35 PM »
Of course, I also think a 135mm f/2.8 IS would be dead in the water as well. Who would buy it? It'd have to be priced under the 135L, and less than an 85 and 100 IS lens to even gain traction.

This is an easy one :)

Personally, I think the 135L f/2 will also be discontinued, and replaced with a 135L f/2 IS for double the price; 135mm is long enough where you really see some large benefits w/ IS.

As a result of that, this 135 f/2.8 IS lens will then be the only 135mm prime choice in the $500-$1000 range.


For me a good reason to keep my 135 f/2
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Re: Patents: Canon 85mm f/1.8 IS, 100mm f/2 IS, 135 f/2 IS
« Reply #41 on: January 22, 2014, 02:30:51 PM »
Of course, I also think a 135mm f/2.8 IS would be dead in the water as well. Who would buy it? It'd have to be priced under the 135L, and less than an 85 and 100 IS lens to even gain traction.

This is an easy one :)

Personally, I think the 135L f/2 will also be discontinued, and replaced with a 135L f/2 IS for double the price; 135mm is long enough where you really see some large benefits w/ IS.

As a result of that, this 135 f/2.8 IS lens will then be the only 135mm prime choice in the $500-$1000 range.


For me a good reason to keep my 135 f/2
It is a very good lens

+1000000 !

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Re: Patents: Canon 85mm f/1.8 IS, 100mm f/2 IS, 135 f/2 IS
« Reply #42 on: January 22, 2014, 03:49:01 PM »


A 135 2.8 would feel even more unnecessary!

But a 135 f/1.8 (and with IS).. Please give me.
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+1, a real upgrade on the very good 135 f2 would be exciting. Faster for sports, IS for portraits - a winner for me. f 1.8 should be doable w/o being too heavy - lighter than the 200 f2 IS anyway (?).
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Re: Patents: Canon 85mm f/1.8 IS, 100mm f/2 IS, 135 f/2 IS
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Re: Patents: Canon 85mm f/1.8 IS, 100mm f/2 IS, 135 f/2 IS
« Reply #43 on: January 22, 2014, 03:49:46 PM »
This lineup would actually make sense with the previous IS primes released:  24/2.8, 28/2.8, and 35/2.  Each of the non-L IS primes replaced a low-cost model of the same focal length and aperture.  The 50/1.8 is ripe for replacement with a 50/1.8 IS.  These three would make sense, replacing their non-L counterparts.  The 135/2.8 IS would take the place of the 135/2.8 soft focus.  Consider the ultimate price points of the three IS primes we have now -- around $500 to $600.  That would leave plenty of room for somebody who wants a 2.8 telephoto with IS but doesn't want to shell out for the 70-200 2.8 IS II.  It also gives you options in the 135 (2 without or 2.8 with IS) and 100 ranges (2 with IS or 2.8 with macro and maybe IS).  The 85 makes sense because the L is such a specialty high price lens, and they could probably even keep all 3 in the lineup.  A lot of folks could probably get excited over a "holy trinity" with IS and 2-2.8 apertures that could be shot wide open, handheld, and for the price of a single 2.8 zoom lens. 
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Re: Patents: Canon 85mm f/1.8 IS, 100mm f/2 IS, 135 f/2 IS
« Reply #44 on: January 22, 2014, 04:07:51 PM »
This lineup would actually make sense with the previous IS primes released:  24/2.8, 28/2.8, and 35/2.  Each of the non-L IS primes replaced a low-cost model of the same focal length and aperture.  The 50/1.8 is ripe for replacement with a 50/1.8 IS.  These three would make sense, replacing their non-L counterparts.  The 135/2.8 IS would take the place of the 135/2.8 soft focus.  Consider the ultimate price points of the three IS primes we have now -- around $500 to $600.  That would leave plenty of room for somebody who wants a 2.8 telephoto with IS but doesn't want to shell out for the 70-200 2.8 IS II.  It also gives you options in the 135 (2 without or 2.8 with IS) and 100 ranges (2 with IS or 2.8 with macro and maybe IS).  The 85 makes sense because the L is such a specialty high price lens, and they could probably even keep all 3 in the lineup.  A lot of folks could probably get excited over a "holy trinity" with IS and 2-2.8 apertures that could be shot wide open, handheld, and for the price of a single 2.8 zoom lens.

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Re: Patents: Canon 85mm f/1.8 IS, 100mm f/2 IS, 135 f/2 IS
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