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Re: BIRD IN FLIGHT ONLY -- share your BIF photos here
« Reply #4215 on: August 09, 2017, 05:40:26 PM »
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The 400mm DO II really comes into its own with extenders. The bare 400mm prime is just a little better than the 100-400mm II in terms of IQ but has phenomenal IS and AF. Put a 1.4xTC III on it and it is superb on a 5DSR or 7DII an significantly better than the zoom with a TC (though the zoom is pretty good), and is superb with a 2xTC on the 5DIV and 1D series.
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Re: BIRD IN FLIGHT ONLY -- share your BIF photos here
« Reply #4215 on: August 09, 2017, 05:40:26 PM »

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Re: BIRD IN FLIGHT ONLY -- share your BIF photos here
« Reply #4216 on: August 09, 2017, 09:46:42 PM »
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The 400mm DO II really comes into its own with extenders. The bare 400mm prime is just a little better than the 100-400mm II in terms of IQ but has phenomenal IS and AF. Put a 1.4xTC III on it and it is superb on a 5DSR or 7DII an significantly better than the zoom with a TC (though the zoom is pretty good), and is superb with a 2xTC on the 5DIV and 1D series.

Thanks Alan.  I'm not as focused as you on sharpness etc., I don't have the background/ability but I've really tuned into the AF capability.  For a small bird to be of usefulness in a photo it needs to be fairly large, preferably at least the center screen circle (10% ??) and in that case, tracking movements becomes really challenging and it is also evident that 800 doesn't match the 400 AF speed etc. but what can one expect.  I still say it's wonderful.

Minutes ago I shot my first 20 minutes of 4K60 goof-off video at 800mm.  No birds initially but some chickadees showed up.  It's the first time I've experienced DPAF on the screen tracking an object - so cool.  Sadly I have no expertise editing! :(

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Re: BIRD IN FLIGHT ONLY -- share your BIF photos here
« Reply #4217 on: August 12, 2017, 02:12:23 PM »
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Re: BIRD IN FLIGHT ONLY -- share your BIF photos here
« Reply #4218 on: August 12, 2017, 02:51:53 PM »
Very nice shots, Cog. I especially like the second one.   :)

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Re: BIRD IN FLIGHT ONLY -- share your BIF photos here
« Reply #4219 on: August 12, 2017, 03:18:17 PM »
Very nice shots, Cog. I especially like the second one.   :)

+1 Super in higher resolution

Now here is one from me.  I know, it's pretty bad but I'm posting it to show I'm trying!  I hope to luck out before these guys abandon my pond in a week or three.  I have a good number of almosts - they perch near the pond and then off they go in any direction based on where the but is and it's impossible to know from head orientation or whatever! :(  I can't possibly swing the camera fast enough to track them.

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« Reply #4220 on: August 12, 2017, 07:46:55 PM »
Nice one Jack.
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Very nice shots, Cog. I especially like the second one.   :)

+1 Super in higher resolution

Now here is one from me.  I know, it's pretty bad but I'm posting it to show I'm trying!  I hope to luck out before these guys abandon my pond in a week or three.  I have a good number of almosts - they perch near the pond and then off they go in any direction based on where the but is and it's impossible to know from head orientation or whatever! :(  I can't possibly swing the camera fast enough to track them.

Jack

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« Reply #4221 on: August 12, 2017, 07:53:51 PM »
Nice shot, Jack.   :)

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« Reply #4221 on: August 12, 2017, 07:53:51 PM »

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Re: BIRD IN FLIGHT ONLY -- share your BIF photos here
« Reply #4222 on: August 14, 2017, 02:39:07 AM »
Thanks guys but I'm not satisfied and spent another two hours to get one slightly better shot.  I hope one day to have a truly nice one if they stick around.  For now lunch time is 2 - 4 PM and I'm stuck with the half decent but not great lighting of that time, depending on where I sit.  ISO 3200+ is never going to be the best but hey, I'm seeing a lot of fun action including another bath.

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Re: BIRD IN FLIGHT ONLY -- share your BIF photos here
« Reply #4223 on: August 14, 2017, 02:45:46 AM »
That's a good'un Jack.
What shutter speed were your running at? I would normally have 1/2,000 as a minimum

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Re: BIRD IN FLIGHT ONLY -- share your BIF photos here
« Reply #4224 on: August 14, 2017, 02:58:32 AM »
That's a good'un Jack.
What shutter speed were your running at? I would normally have 1/2,000 as a minimum

1650 and that's pushing my ISO's up with 400 X2.  I need to experiment with higher shutter regardless.  Sometimes I luck out with better sunlight.  These guys are extremely challenging for me but I'm scheming and learning a little more of their behaviour which isn't predictable for the most part.

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« Reply #4225 on: August 14, 2017, 03:54:11 AM »
Brilliant shot!
Amazing.
-r

Thanks guys but I'm not satisfied and spent another two hours to get one slightly better shot.  I hope one day to have a truly nice one if they stick around.  For now lunch time is 2 - 4 PM and I'm stuck with the half decent but not great lighting of that time, depending on where I sit.  ISO 3200+ is never going to be the best but hey, I'm seeing a lot of fun action including another bath.

Jack

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« Reply #4226 on: August 14, 2017, 04:13:10 AM »
Hi Jack - 1/1600 is pushing it and it does come down to whether you want less IQ because of ISO or blur because of shutter speed. With the 1Dx2 I am coming down to getting the shutter speed at all costs. Provided you don't need to crop too much I think 6400 or 8000 is pretty acceptable for my eyes. This shot of a grebe was at 25,600 cropped to 70% of the original - the plain background helps a lot with apparent sharpness but I think it shows what ridiculous ISOs you can go to nowadays.

The other challenge with these critters is whether the AF can keep up with them, and I would be tempted to try zone AF hoping it does not pick up the background instead. Mind you, you can have large zone AF with the option to select the first AF point - have you experimented with that yet? I am just starting to with mixed results so far.

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Re: BIRD IN FLIGHT ONLY -- share your BIF photos here
« Reply #4227 on: August 14, 2017, 12:11:38 PM »
Hi Jack - 1/1600 is pushing it and it does come down to whether you want less IQ because of ISO or blur because of shutter speed. With the 1Dx2 I am coming down to getting the shutter speed at all costs. Provided you don't need to crop too much I think 6400 or 8000 is pretty acceptable for my eyes. This shot of a grebe was at 25,600 cropped to 70% of the original - the plain background helps a lot with apparent sharpness but I think it shows what ridiculous ISOs you can go to nowadays.

The other challenge with these critters is whether the AF can keep up with them, and I would be tempted to try zone AF hoping it does not pick up the background instead. Mind you, you can have large zone AF with the option to select the first AF point - have you experimented with that yet? I am just starting to with mixed results so far.

Thanks Mike.  Yes I'm kind of fighting all the various trade offs just like you. 

The AF can't keep up with these guys with large zone but it does offer one advantage.  If you lock onto the subject you can then move the frame off to the side with hopes that the action will occur in the direction you've left the space since panning at the speed they are going is for me, mere mortal, impossible.  Today my idea is to set up the tripod and try some 4K video and frame grabs.

There also is no hope of me getting this action as close as required to allow ISOs like 12500.  At 800 mm, I'm cropping to increase the size of the subject.  This shot was more forgiving by luck, auto ISO was lower.  The lighting is so variable that I'm auto ISO

Yes, Riley whatever I may be able to post is nothing but luck - well, coupled with perspiration and aching left arm muscles - close to tendonitis. ;)  This is totally outside of my ability!  O course I won't tell my friends around here that. ;)

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« Reply #4227 on: August 14, 2017, 12:11:38 PM »

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« Reply #4228 on: August 14, 2017, 01:16:49 PM »
Just between you and I, Jack, there is a lot of things that is pure luck.  It's our secret.
Blood, sweat and tears are only for the failures!!!
Just keep at it.
-r

Thanks Mike.  Yes I'm kind of fighting all the various trade offs just like you. 

The AF can't keep up with these guys with large zone but it does offer one advantage.  If you lock onto the subject you can then move the frame off to the side with hopes that the action will occur in the direction you've left the space since panning at the speed they are going is for me, mere mortal, impossible.  Today my idea is to set up the tripod and try some 4K video and frame grabs.

There also is no hope of me getting this action as close as required to allow ISOs like 12500.  At 800 mm, I'm cropping to increase the size of the subject.  This shot was more forgiving by luck, auto ISO was lower.  The lighting is so variable that I'm auto ISO

Yes, Riley whatever I may be able to post is nothing but luck - well, coupled with perspiration and aching left arm muscles - close to tendonitis. ;)  This is totally outside of my ability!  O course I won't tell my friends around here that. ;)

Jack

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« Reply #4229 on: August 15, 2017, 04:44:56 PM »
Juvenile Swallow at Uphill Boat Yard - Weston-super-Mare, UK.

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