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Re: BIRD IN FLIGHT ONLY -- share your BIF photos here
« Reply #4755 on: February 10, 2018, 08:20:47 PM »
Alan, personally, good or bad I prefer to know every gory detail but that doesn't mean it necessary makes for a more enjoyable experience.  Of course, we read reviews and discuss these things in technical threads.  And some of those threads can get pretty heated.  ;)

A thread dedicated to sharing bird photos may not fully align with your objective.  The bottom line is that it's Ryan's call how much he wishes to delve into such things in this thread.  I don't think my stance is being defensive, I'm just offering an observation and as always have no interest in dictating what others do. :)

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« Reply #4755 on: February 10, 2018, 08:20:47 PM »

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« Reply #4756 on: February 10, 2018, 10:34:02 PM »
Sorry guys for the delayed response. Alan, I hope it doesn't bother you that I'm posting Nikon images in this thread. I have only ever shot canon, and still own canon gear, but I purchased the d500, for my wife to pair with the very light weight 300PF and compare. This had nothing to do with the Artie thread and I didn't actually mention they were on a d500 because I figured it didn't matter.  I've been sharing images on here for a while and I hope that can continue regardless of what it was taken on.

The images are noisy, especially compared to my 1dx. But I have never used noise reduction on any of the images I've posted. I don't like the loss of detail and much prefer the noise over the two. Perhaps I'm not skilled enough with that.

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« Reply #4757 on: February 11, 2018, 02:21:50 AM »
Sorry guys for the delayed response. Alan, I hope it doesn't bother you that I'm posting Nikon images in this thread. I have only ever shot canon, and still own canon gear, but I purchased the d500, for my wife to pair with the very light weight 300PF and compare. This had nothing to do with the Artie thread and I didn't actually mention they were on a d500 because I figured it didn't matter.  I've been sharing images on here for a while and I hope that can continue regardless of what it was taken on.

The images are noisy, especially compared to my 1dx. But I have never used noise reduction on any of the images I've posted. I don't like the loss of detail and much prefer the noise over the two. Perhaps I'm not skilled enough with that.

For what it's worth NIK selective NR can kill background noise without applying it to the subject material if you wish to bother doing that. 

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Re: BIRD IN FLIGHT ONLY -- share your BIF photos here
« Reply #4758 on: February 11, 2018, 03:03:54 AM »
Hi Alan, Jack, Ryan.
Don’t forget the shots seen on the forum are squished as it were and not true representations of the shots until you open them in their own page!
Aside from that lots of superb shots recently, well done all. 👍

Cheers, Graham.

sedwards, beautiful shots. I wish to capture shots of a snowy like that one day.

Here are some of a Barn owl from today.


Ryan
They are really great photos.  But, like the one you posted in Bird Portraits, the downloads are very noisy.  It's of interest to all of us weighing up the D500 to know what it is really like aside from its awesome AF.  Are you processing RAW files or are these jpegs from the camera? Are you not bothering to suppress noise?

Alan, although I share your interest, I think it might be a bit much to expect someone just investing a lot of money in their gear to start digging deeply for its shortcomings.  Like me with the 1DX2, there are somethings that aren't up to the 5D4 level but I prefer not to make them my focus or it tends to spoil the experience.  Just my thoughts. :)

Jack

Jack, that is unduly defensive  - it's hardly digging deep to ask about noise levels and whether those are out of camera jpegs or RAW? They are Nikon shots posted on a Canon forum to show us what the new gear can do so of course we want to know what is going on with them.

I wrote that the downloads are noisy - I always download attachments to examine or look at Flickr to see the originals and hopefully the EXIFS as I want to learn how others use settings etc and what a camera can do. I participate to share information, amongst other matters. What I wanted to know here was whether they were out of camera jpegs or RAW, and it looks as if I won't know and will have to try a D500 myself.
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« Reply #4759 on: February 11, 2018, 01:16:42 PM »
There is so much talk about Nikon AF being so superior but I find my 5DIV  and 400mm DO II really reliable. With the bare lens, I was able to get shot after shot of puffins whizzing past last year, with the 1.4xTC it rarely misses for me. With the 2xTC at 800mm it's relatively slow, but it's really quite good for distant birds. This morning in a pair of teals skimmed across the lake 60m in front of my hide. I wasn't ready but fired off two shots. The light was pretty poor, but I got acceptable images. The drake in front is in good focus but the duck behind is on the edge of the depth of field.
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Re: BIRD IN FLIGHT ONLY -- share your BIF photos here
« Reply #4760 on: February 11, 2018, 01:57:37 PM »
Alan, no problem with your various assertions other than your interests might fall more squarely in a technical gear thread.  In that case I'd expect the various points to be discussed and debated with gusto.  All I've suggested is that folk posting to a birds thread might be more interested in the esthetics, composition, type of bird or pose and less in the technical.  A while back someone commented that threads like this are so civil and enjoyable without insults be hurled around.  ;D  I tend to agree.

Now if you started a thread on the capability of the D500 and I'd just bought one I'd probably be thrilled to contribute, for your benefit and others who'd be interested.  My skin would be thick enough to handle whatever started to appear and it would actually be fun.  I don't control CR and I'm not trying to influence you away from gear questions in a bird thread (I'm also interested), rather, as previously stated I am just offering my thoughts.  Perhaps others may wish to contribute theirs and whatever the outcome I'm fine with it.  Perhaps my position is not unlike suggesting that politics not be discussed at the Christmas dinner table. ;)

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Re: BIRD IN FLIGHT ONLY -- share your BIF photos here
« Reply #4761 on: February 12, 2018, 04:08:20 AM »
Canon Rumors is a web forum set up to discuss the latest Canon gear and its merits compared with other makes and how it affects your photography. As such, it is populated mainly by gearheads who want to elicit and exchange information, and do so at every opportunity. I am not going to start up a new thread every time I want to ask a technical question about a particular post. I have learned a great deal here about all aspects of photography and want to see the openness and exchange continue.
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« Reply #4761 on: February 12, 2018, 04:08:20 AM »

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« Reply #4762 on: February 12, 2018, 07:02:26 AM »
sedwards, beautiful shots. I wish to capture shots of a snowy like that one day.

Here are some of a Barn owl from today.
...

Very nice barn owl pics Ryan!
I especially like the second one; composition, bird posture, good contrast in the bird (3rd and 4th seem a bit soft...) and background not overly busy... Well done

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Still learning to make the best use of it ... ;)

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Re: BIRD IN FLIGHT ONLY -- share your BIF photos here
« Reply #4763 on: February 12, 2018, 12:11:35 PM »
One last time.  Alan, I have no problem with your wants.  I frequent CR for more or less the same reasons as you.  Furthermore, I have no interest in dictating what anyone does.  However, if you don't find all your technical needs being met on a bird photo display thread, I was just offering an explanation for why that might be the case

Keep up the good work, lovely bird postings and your helpful technical observations!  :)

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« Reply #4764 on: February 12, 2018, 05:53:07 PM »
I reciprocate your comments, Jack.
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« Reply #4765 on: February 12, 2018, 10:48:21 PM »
I reciprocate your comments, Jack.
That is a good capture of the two ducks in flight given the distance Allan, and the fact that you took it with the 2x extender in place!
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« Reply #4766 on: February 13, 2018, 03:09:36 AM »
Thanks Grant. Looking back a year ago, I posted a series of shorteared owls in flight using the 400mm DO II + 2xTC + 5DIV. They were about 100m away against a background of hay and trees.

http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=19270.msg646154#msg646154

Given the present discussion about Hazeghi migrating to Nikon, it is amusing to reread the caption:

"Ari Hazeghi writes that the 5DIV + 400mm DO II + 2xTC is too slow focussing for other than slow moving birds against a blue sky. Some 50% of my shots were ok for these flying low and fast against a background. All 100% crops at f/8, 1/1600 s and auto iso (~640-1250)."
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« Reply #4767 on: February 13, 2018, 09:54:30 AM »
Thanks Grant. Looking back a year ago, I posted a series of shorteared owls in flight using the 400mm DO II + 2xTC + 5DIV. They were about 100m away against a background of hay and trees.

http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=19270.msg646154#msg646154

Given the present discussion about Hazeghi migrating to Nikon, it is amusing to reread the caption:

"Ari Hazeghi writes that the 5DIV + 400mm DO II + 2xTC is too slow focussing for other than slow moving birds against a blue sky. Some 50% of my shots were ok for these flying low and fast against a background. All 100% crops at f/8, 1/1600 s and auto iso (~640-1250)."

So, my question would be, I wonder what Ari would say about your samples - can you hazard a guess?  He seems to be very finicky about what he finds acceptable, at least judging from some of his comments like the 5% he misses. Is 100m too far to be acceptable?

I assume your point here is strictly that the AF came through well, at about 50% keeper rate.  That's an awful lot better than zero.  I'm dying to get out where there are numerous BIF to really evaluate my DO on the 1DX2 because the last couple of years have had me up to my ears in renovations.  I won't be denied this summer-fall.

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« Reply #4767 on: February 13, 2018, 09:54:30 AM »

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« Reply #4768 on: February 13, 2018, 12:10:20 PM »
The point is that the lens and camera do lock focus accurately and fast enough with the 2xTC to be useful for distant BIF, which is when 800mm is really needed. If birds are that far away, I am happy to get a nice record for my end of year album. If they are close enough, the bare 400mm DO II on the 5DIV is blazingly fast and accurate and I can get great shots, and also with the 1.4xTC. The 100-400mm II is no slouch either. My Sigma and Tamrons are not in the same league for AF. Ari writes that the 1DX does focus fast with the 2xTC so you should be even better placed.
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« Reply #4769 on: February 13, 2018, 04:02:49 PM »
The point is that the lens and camera do lock focus accurately and fast enough with the 2xTC to be useful for distant BIF, which is when 800mm is really needed. If birds are that far away, I am happy to get a nice record for my end of year album. If they are close enough, the bare 400mm DO II on the 5DIV is blazingly fast and accurate and I can get great shots, and also with the 1.4xTC. The 100-400mm II is no slouch either. My Sigma and Tamrons are not in the same league for AF. Ari writes that the 1DX does focus fast with the 2xTC so you should be even better placed.

OK, that's what I figured you were getting at.  Thanks.

I've held off chasing a second camera (for my wife, but I might use it ;)).  I'd thought the 6D2 would do but now probably not.  A 5D4?? - somehow I'm not totally thrilled with that idea given it's similarity to what I have and it's large/heavy size.  Maybe just a travel camera.  So, I wait, surprisingly without GAS.

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