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Re: Review: Sony A7R With Canon Glass
« Reply #30 on: January 29, 2014, 07:46:07 AM »
I've seen a lot of Canon users using this camera for their landscape acts until Canon releases its own comparable camera.  The Sony center guy located in my place (Kuala Lumpur) told me that a lot of users inquire about the A7r and immediately ask where to buy an adapter (then buy them).  It's just fortunate that both Sony and the third-party seller of the adapter is located in the same floor and at the same mall.  Most of my colleagues here are either macro and/or landscape shooters.  I myself, am waiting for cheap second hand ones from the market to use for my landscape photos.

Downunder, the adaptor is included in the camera price (as well as the battery grip). Sony have done their marketing.

http://www.digitalcamerawarehouse.com.au/prod10464.htm

So now all that they need to do is come up with a firmware update that fixes the shutter blur problem and they're home!

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Re: Review: Sony A7R With Canon Glass
« Reply #30 on: January 29, 2014, 07:46:07 AM »

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Re: Review: Sony A7R With Canon Glass
« Reply #31 on: January 29, 2014, 08:38:26 AM »
Nice, now Fred Miranda could use a Canon 5D2 and/or 5D3 and/or 6D with the dual_iso ML module and let us know how they compare to Sony...

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Re: Review: Sony A7R With Canon Glass
« Reply #32 on: January 29, 2014, 08:41:14 AM »
Hi,
I've seen a lot of Canon users using this camera for their landscape acts until Canon releases its own comparable camera.  The Sony center guy located in my place (Kuala Lumpur) told me that a lot of users inquire about the A7r and immediately ask where to buy an adapter (then buy them).  It's just fortunate that both Sony and the third-party seller of the adapter is located in the same floor and at the same mall.  Most of my colleagues here are either macro and/or landscape shooters.  I myself, am waiting for cheap second hand ones from the market to use for my landscape photos.

Downunder, the adaptor is included in the camera price (as well as the battery grip). Sony have done their marketing.

http://www.digitalcamerawarehouse.com.au/prod10464.htm

So now all that they need to do is come up with a firmware update that fixes the shutter blur problem and they're home!
    So the heavy shutter I feel when trying out the camera is the real... Why they need a shutter?? Isn't vibration free a selling point for Mirrorless camera??

    Have a nice day.

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« Reply #33 on: January 29, 2014, 08:58:05 AM »
I was thinking some more about the FM article...and I don't know about anyone else...but I am not taking 1000's of dollars worth of "precise" camera gear out into the field and relying on a glue-in-felt fix that I have to perform myself. (I totally have the skillset to do the fix, too) on a possibly off-center adapter (God that is funny!). If Metabones is selling expensive adapters for top-notch precision camera gear and they are that poorly made...um...NO THANKS.  I am just going to keep shooting with my 5D3 and lenses like my 17mm TSE and do my job as a photographer and get great exposures or just HDR (tastefully) when need be when I have that opportunity.  Plus...I do not have the spare pocket change to just run out and purchase a $2400 camera body plus a poorly made adapter to get to the latest supposed state of photographic nirvana. That Sony sensor is waaaaay cool...but I am just going to keep my wits about me and see how this all develops....oh and in the meantime keep creating images with the INCREDIBLE equipment that I already have!
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Re: Review: Sony A7R With Canon Glass
« Reply #34 on: January 29, 2014, 11:44:52 AM »
Hmm, there's something wrong with this thread: nobody is saying "We don't need that shadow detail" or "Shadow detail isn't important of you expose properly" or "Sony's better DR isn't required if you shoot properly."

Where did all of those folks go?

They are still here. Pretty sure they stopped caring after the first 100 times this conversation has been rehashed though.

FWIW, I don't think anyone has ever said having the extra bit of DR and cleaner shadow detail wouldn't be nice to have. The core of what most of us have said though is that the extra amount provided by the Sony sensor is not absolutely necessary in many people's work/play (especially when images are properly exposed). Furthermore, we should continue to note that the DR and detail increase is only in the lower ISO ranges which many of us don't always shoot in.

I would love to have a new Canon sensor with cleaner output in every way. As a matter of fact, I have and am still mildly playing with the idea of picking up an A7R just out of curiosity. But even if I don't, I am still going to be making the images that I need/want exactly as I intended them to be without issue.

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Re: Review: Sony A7R With Canon Glass
« Reply #35 on: January 29, 2014, 12:20:26 PM »
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<p><a href=\"http://www.fredmiranda.com\" target=\"_blank\">Fred Miranda</a> has completed his review of the Sony A7R camera body using Canon EF lenses.</p>
<p>I am currently shooting with the <a href=\"http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1008112-REG/sony_ilce7r_b_a7r_mirrorless_digital_camera.html/BI/2466/kbid/3296\" target=\"_blank\">Sony A7R</a> and I have been extremely impressed by this little gem. The 2 native Sony/Zeiss lenses I have for the camera, the <a href=\"http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1008123-REG/sony_sel35f28z_sonnar_t_fe_35mm.html/bi/2466/kbid/3296\" target=\"_blank\">35 f/2.8</a> and the <a href=\"http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1008124-REG/sony_sel55f18z_sonnar_t_fe_55mm.html/bi/2466/kbid/3296\" target=\"_blank\">55 f/1.8</a> have both been terrific.</p>
<p>Fred takes the review from the side of a Canon shooter and using Canon EF lenses along with the A7R for landscape work. If you want a high megapixel camera for your Canon lenses, this may be the camera for you.</p>
<p><strong>Says Fred<br />

</strong><em>“After a few days below sea-level in Death Valley, it’s always nice to come back home to capture a sunset by the pier in San Clemente. Watching the sky turn my favorite shade through the golden light, I still can’t believe the images churning out of this <a href=\"http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1008112-REG/sony_ilce7r_b_a7r_mirrorless_digital_camera.html/BI/2466/kbid/3296\" target=\"_blank\">Sony A7R</a>. Don’t let its size fool you, this baby packs a punch. For Canon photographers interested in landscape or studio photography, it’s a non-brainer. Combining this body with your arsenal of high quality Canon glass, makes for an unstoppable team.”</em></p>
<p><strong><a href=\"http://www.fredmiranda.com/A7R-review/\" target=\"_blank\">Read the full review</a> | <a href=\"http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1008112-REG/sony_ilce7r_b_a7r_mirrorless_digital_camera.html/BI/2466/kbid/3296\" target=\"_blank\">Sony A7R at B&H Photo</a></strong></p>
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Excellent review ... I have the a7 and the Metabones adapter, but now I'm thinking of getting the a7R and permanently having my 16-35 f/2.8 L II mounted on it for landscape images :-\ 
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Re: Review: Sony A7R With Canon Glass
« Reply #36 on: January 29, 2014, 03:32:13 PM »
At this point Canon just needs to concede defeat and us the Sony sensors.

Given Sony's financial struggles (particularly the Moody's downgrade), I can imagine a scenario in which Sony sells off its imaging division in order to stay afloat in other areas (TVs, computers, phones, etc.). I wonder if Canon might consider buying Sony's imaging division and/or patents. That could be exciting. Although, the downside is that there would be less pressure on Canon to innovate, so we'd get the short-term gain of Sony's current sensors, but could that be at the expense of long-term innovation/competition?

It'll be interesting to see what happens. My guess is that Canon is always working on new/innovative sensor tech. Whether/when we see it, of course, depends on effectiveness of the tech, reliability, production capability, competition, market conditions, et cetera. Canon may move slowly, but I'd be very surprised if a significant jump in sensor performance doesn't come along in the next 1-3 years.
That Sony's consumer electronics  are not doing  so  well does not include Sony sensor division.
The Sony imaging division has 50% of the whole sensor market today, and Im not talking about few SLR sensors
Sony has 50% of  the whole sensor market = mobile phones,computing,surveillance plus  several other areas .

That's an excellent point relative to the sensor market. If I understand your point correctly, you're saying it might not make sense to sell off a division that is doing well in its sector. I'm curious, though, what proportion Sony's imaging division is to the rest of Sony and/or what that division is valued at, should it be shopped to other companies. Could the success of the sensor division make it more attractive to sell if the company needs an infusion of cash to stay afloat?

Obviously, I don't have all of Sony's financials in front of me, but it's interesting (to me, anyway) to contemplate the possibility of Sony selling off its sensor/imaging division, where Canon could be a potential buyer...

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Re: Review: Sony A7R With Canon Glass
« Reply #36 on: January 29, 2014, 03:32:13 PM »

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Re: Review: Sony A7R With Canon Glass
« Reply #37 on: January 29, 2014, 04:13:45 PM »
Awesome, I'm going to keep using my 5D3 anyway because I enjoy the challenge of shooting with low DR!  ;D
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Re: Review: Sony A7R With Canon Glass
« Reply #38 on: January 29, 2014, 07:23:50 PM »
Obviously, I don't have all of Sony's financials in front of me, but it's interesting (to me, anyway) to contemplate the possibility of Sony selling off its sensor/imaging division, where Canon could be a potential buyer...
Sony's sensor division is not going anywhere. In fact, it is expanding.

http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sony-buys-nintento-chip-factory-to-increase-the-cmos-sensor-production/

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Re: Review: Sony A7R With Canon Glass
« Reply #39 on: January 29, 2014, 10:04:46 PM »
Excellent article by FM.  The shadow recovery of the a7r files is impressive.

I have a long way to go before my photography skills catch up to the capabilities of my excellent Canon equipment, so I'll be keeping an eye on this from the sidelines.  I think its healthy for the industry and good for the consumer that Sony is pushing the envelope here.

I was thinking some more about the FM article...and I don't know about anyone else...but I am not taking 1000's of dollars worth of "precise" camera gear out into the field and relying on a glue-in-felt fix that I have to perform myself. (I totally have the skillset to do the fix, too) on a possibly off-center adapter (God that is funny!). If Metabones is selling expensive adapters for top-notch precision camera gear and they are that poorly made...um...NO THANKS.

+1. I'm really surprised the quality of the supposedly high-end Metabones adapter is so irregular. 
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Re: Review: Sony A7R With Canon Glass
« Reply #40 on: January 29, 2014, 11:41:31 PM »
Just curious about the following 2 questions to compare the image quality:

1. will a 30+mp upscaled picture looks the same quality to it's original 21mp by Canon 5D III, disregard the picture size/number of pixel difference

2. how will the shadow recovery comparison look like, if using original 5D III 21mp raw vs. Sony 30+mp raw, after recovery?
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Re: Review: Sony A7R With Canon Glass
« Reply #41 on: January 29, 2014, 11:53:08 PM »
Just curious about the following 2 questions to compare the image quality:

1. will a 30+mp upscaled picture looks the same quality to it's original 21mp by Canon 5D III, disregard the picture size/number of pixel difference

2. how will the shadow recovery comparison look like, if using original 5D III 21mp raw vs. Sony 30+mp raw, after recovery?
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2. Sony 36MP sensor will out resolve the 5D MK III in shadow recovery.
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Re: Review: Sony A7R With Canon Glass
« Reply #42 on: January 30, 2014, 04:46:11 AM »
Hello all. I've monitored this forum for several years but only just decided to join.

This story has interested and tempted me. I'm primarily a landscape photographer and own a 1DS III and some decent glass. Whilst the camera has been a trusty workhorse and delivered some great images, I've often been disappointed with the dynamic range and softness in RAW. I must accept that I'm using probably 7-year old technology now and it appears that lower-priced prosumer products are equalling and in some cases surpassing the IQ of my trusty old box.

For some time now I've been sure that a combination of a few criterea would tempt me into purchasing a new full-frame body:- Greater DR, greater resolution, less higher-iso noise, less weight. I don't care much for better/faster autofocus, framerates etc etc.

To those who might question these requirements:
DR has always been limiting to me, I've always missed the extra that seemed to be afforded by decent 35mm film. I'm often shooting into the light, whether the sun is visible or not. I filter many of my shots and often still need to combine heavy filtering and blending techniques - if I can reduce the need to do this, all the better.

Resolution - 21MP used to be BIG, it's become about average now. I often print landscapes large and would love  not to have to interpolate. The extra detail offered by higher resolution is always going to benefit my images, regardless.

ISO - It's true I shoot predominantly low-iso long esposures, but I also find myself in situations where higher-iso is needed. On the 1DS III, I'm hesitant to run above 400iso when I want a clean image. It seems to me that high-iso IQ is the area that has improved most in those 7 years.

So, I'm now in a position where I feel tempted by a little Sony which appears to offer the things I'd benefit from. I could probably fund its purchase by selling the 1DS III (retaining my glass). My question is; should I? Do you guys think I'll realise significant improvement from such a move, or so little I should stay-put?

Thanks for your time :)

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Re: Review: Sony A7R With Canon Glass
« Reply #42 on: January 30, 2014, 04:46:11 AM »

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« Reply #43 on: January 30, 2014, 06:07:00 AM »
Resolution - 21MP used to be BIG, it's become about average now. I often print landscapes large and would love  not to have to interpolate. The extra detail offered by higher resolution is always going to benefit my images, regardless.

ISO - It's true I shoot predominantly low-iso long esposures, but I also find myself in situations where higher-iso is needed. On the 1DS III, I'm hesitant to run above 400iso when I want a clean image. It seems to me that high-iso IQ is the area that has improved most in those 7 years.

So, I'm now in a position where I feel tempted by a little Sony which appears to offer the things I'd benefit from. I could probably fund its purchase by selling the 1DS III (retaining my glass). My question is; should I? Do you guys think I'll realise significant improvement from such a move, or so little I should stay-put?

Thanks for your time :)
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Going by what you've mentioned, and IF your work involves shooting landscapes and "general purpose/walk-around" focal lengths, then the Sony a7R will give far superior images then the 1DS III ... but keep in mind that there are only 3 good quality native lenses at the moment (i.e. 24-70 f/4, 35 f/2.8 & 55 f/1.8 lenses) and the maximum number of lenses Sony plans on releasing (till the end of 2015) is 15 (not sure how many will be useful for your needs) also Sony does have a reputation for dropping several of their product lines ... but you can use all the Canon EF lenses with the Metabones adapter ... I bought a7 as a supplement/compliment to my existing Canon gear and I will not sell my Canon glass or the 5D MK III ... personally, if I was in your place I wouldn't sell the 1DS III, but I would still get the a7R, if I can afford it.
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Re: Review: Sony A7R With Canon Glass
« Reply #44 on: January 30, 2014, 06:35:24 AM »
Thanks Rienzphotoz,

Yes, I would be shooting 90% landscape and would anticipate solely using my existing lenses via an adapter, particularly the tilt/shift.

I fear perhaps your right - There's a lot of sense in keeping the 1DS III and saving the money for something else in addition, rather than replacement, at least to begin with.

Interesting that you think it would still be a worthwhile investment. I've ignored the A7 in favour of the A7R for obvious reasons, but do you notice a significant improvement in general image quality and DR over your 5D III?

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Re: Review: Sony A7R With Canon Glass
« Reply #44 on: January 30, 2014, 06:35:24 AM »