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Jack Douglas

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EOS utility for remote shooting - anyone getting good at it.
« on: January 31, 2014, 01:38:09 AM »
Perhaps this only pertains 6D and 70D users but I'd like to see some discussion on using EOS remote.  There is considerable potential especially for shooting birds or animals that don't like a human nearby.  From my digging the documentation seems minimal and I'm learning by trial and error. 

I have the app on my desktop computer and today installed it on an android phone.  They seem fairly different with the phone having fewer features - it seems to me.

So, I'd love to hear advice and hints on using it.

Today, shot from my desktop about 25 feet from the camera which was on the deck about 6 feet from the Downy.  -20 C or -4 F made this pretty appealing today!

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« on: January 31, 2014, 01:38:09 AM »

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« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2014, 11:12:18 PM »
Jack,

I've played with it a bit.  You are right in that the desktop app is different. In essence the desktop app is simply a replacement for the USB teather for the EOS utility whereas the app is less functional and somewhat crippled by being only for tiny screens on smartphones.

I was very excited when the sample shots for the EOS remote showed support for the 7D and disappointed when the actual released and subsequent upgrades did not support the 7D with the WFT (especially after buying the WFT  :( )

I do also have a 6D and have tried out the EOS Remote but the killer use AFAIK would be to be able to wirelessly tether an iPad in the field using the FULL resolution of the Retina display for checking critical focus for Macro. I'm getting older and need glasses now, the knees don't work as well so I'm a lot slower bending down to peer through an angle finder when I've got the legs splayed out on the tripod and am shooting flowers or other things close to the ground.

I did use the EOS Remote App the other day to take a couple of photos of a Think Tank Mirrorless Mover 10 to post on the EOS M forum here but that was mainly to play and as I use the iPad for random surfing a lot so being able to shoot the images using a 17-40 on the 6D mounted on a gorilla pod and then import them as JPEGs and crop them on the iPad was convenient.

The downside of the WFT and the WiFi enabled 6D is getting different profiles setup for ad-hoc (device to device) and infrastructure (device to access opine or wifi router) connections. The interface is a little clumsy and and must be confusing for people who don't work with these kind of things all the time.

I do a lot of event and I have thought about locking down a body somewhere with a wide angle set to the whole stage or portion of interest then have an assistant take shots. The issue, like you have mentioned, is the App is still immature and this shows in it being awkward and clumsy to use. Also I would hate to have to give up my 6D for this as then I'd be stuck with the much worse high ISO performance of the 7D or using my 1Ds Mk II which while has even worse high ISO compared to the 7D has that authoritative shutter snap that really annoys soloists when you get in tight to the stage. So locking down the 7D and using the pairing to the EOS Utility on a laptop would probably be better ( or just using an intervalometer).

I did think about using the remote app the other night when the lunar eclipse occurred. It was cold here and I thought it would be a good way of keeping an eye on things and picking shots off but I don't have a tracking rig and even with a grip with two fresh batteries I could see three hours of live view draining the batteries and necessitating changing them out which could affect focus and framing.  It was moot point though as it was overcast and there was noting to see.

I have used the 6D wireless for copy work and I like that but again it's paired to the EOS Utility rather than the EOS App. My longest USB cable is 8' and sometimes I need more length depending on what I'm set up for. Using the WFT on the 7D I usually use the Ethernet port for tethering as I have lots of long cables and I'd rather be wired than wireless especially when I have lots of copying to do.
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« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2014, 12:44:12 AM »
gordonbb, thanks for your thoughts. 

This obviously isn't a thread that gets much attention.  I guess in due course as more cameras have WiFi, that'll change.  It was WiFi along with price that swayed me to the 6D from the 5D3, which I could have afforded.  I really like the idea of remote shooting for wildlife but the problems you mention are a royal pain.  Not to mention that I'm not a computer geek (although fairly literate).

A friend was assisting me with Wifi issues and he downloaded an App that gave pretty much full functionality, I think it was $10, and for his tablet.  Since then I haven't even tried my 6D WiFi.  It's a pain I subconsciously seem to be avoiding.  And it does kill batteries pretty fast.  Maybe an external tethered battery would be feasible??

I now have a tracker but I previously tried shooting the moon using WiFi and 600mm (cold out) and I was running outside every few minutes, kind of surprised me.  Unfortunately, the recent eclipse was semi-cloudy here, also.

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« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2014, 09:16:41 AM »
This Article on the Canon Europe CPN site shows how a sports photojournalist is using the WiFi. In this case he is not remote shooting, rather using the wifi for uploading pre and post game photos to Social Media.
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« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2014, 09:47:36 AM »
Not quite on the exact topic, but now that I have a 1D X, I'm planning to get a long Ethernet cable (100+ feet) and set up my camera near some alligators or other shy/dangerous critters with my 16-35 for a different kind of shot.  I realize that it's different than using WiFi, but the same general techniques apply in terms of remote shooting. 

Jack, that's a cool shot, and all the more reason I need to give this a try.  How responsive is it from a desktop - i.e. AF/shutter delay?


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« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2014, 10:54:30 AM »
Depending on whether or not your needs permit it, I would say try out the Camranger. For use with mobile devices, the UI is significantly more feature rich and refined than using the EOS Remote with native wifi to say the least.

For the users that have concerns about battery consumption on the camera itself, the Camranger has it's own battery.

The only disadvantage is that you have to find a way to mount it that works for your needs. I have mine mounted on the hotshoe which may or may not work for some of you.

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« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2014, 11:07:26 AM »
I've been using the EOS utility for many years to shoot remotely.  I also use DSLR Remote by Breeze.
 
Its great.  The issue is focus speed.  While you can use the conventional phase detect, I prefer contrast detect because its silent, no mirror clacking up and down.
 
I'm looking forward to FF with the next generation of dual pixel technology for fast focus using live view. 

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« Reply #8 on: April 24, 2014, 01:32:29 PM »
Depending on whether or not your needs permit it, I would say try out the Camranger. For use with mobile devices, the UI is significantly more feature rich and refined than using the EOS Remote with native wifi to say the least.

For the users that have concerns about battery consumption on the camera itself, the Camranger has it's own battery.

The only disadvantage is that you have to find a way to mount it that works for your needs. I have mine mounted on the hotshoe which may or may not work for some of you.

I'd second that. I was just at a nature photography convention and one of the co-developers of the Camranger was there demoing the product. It was very slick, and used the full resolution of the iPad. Far more feature-packed than even the EOS Utility on a laptop, and as already mentioned has its own battery. Plus it will work across brands and models of cameras. Well worth the $300 if you need that functionality.

I have successfully used both the EOS utility and iPhone App with my 6D over WiFi, but I agree the WiFi is a little fickle and the App is immature. The lack of retina support is a real killer for critical work, too.

One more thing - this device was developed by a young couple, who are both engineers and avid outdoor photographers. Really nice story of home-grown entrepreneurs, and they really like interacting with clients. With all do respect to the innovators in the east, it's nice to support some young talent here in the states.
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« Reply #9 on: April 24, 2014, 01:42:51 PM »
I use DSLR Controller frequently (>50% of shooting) with my 6D and an Acer A500 tablet, couldn't be more pleased with it.  I find it works quite a bit slower with my phone, tho.  I also use it tethered with a 40D and 60D.  I was using it tethered for some time prior to getting the 6D, so I've stayed with it.  DSLR Controller was the main reason I bought a tablet.  I realize I'm sounding perilously close to being a shill, but I really do like the app.

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« Reply #10 on: April 24, 2014, 02:36:23 PM »
No doubt, get a Camranger! It works great! On the mounting issue,I hang mine from my tripod, no issues.

Not only do you get remote control, but it also makes macro easier, and time lapse too!

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« Reply #11 on: April 29, 2014, 05:27:59 AM »
it works
but Capture Pro One 7 is better...

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« Reply #12 on: April 29, 2014, 01:02:45 PM »
Thanks for this Brad.  A quick review of C1, which I'm previously ignorant of, has me wishing for some more explicit comments on the details for use with the 6D. 

Because of the challenges with EOS remote I've temporarily abandoned wifi shooting on my acreage, when that was one of the main reasons I bought the 6D over the 5D3.  This is a shame. 

Also, although I've fooled around with the inexpensive Corel Paint Shop, I've never owned Photoshop and am wondering about a C1 purchase, since I'm close to needing something like this.  I've been making do with Canon DPP for raw conversion, sharpening etc. and am fairly satisfied with the basics.

So any feedback, anyone, even beyond just remote shooting is greatly appreciated.  Only one year since getting the 6D and there is so much to learn!

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« Reply #12 on: April 29, 2014, 01:02:45 PM »

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« Reply #13 on: April 30, 2014, 05:56:47 AM »
if you are preforming capture via usb and NOT using a macbook air… it IS possible to use a powered usb extender without issue,.. the USB to ethernet extension works too.
the macbook air and some of the newer MacBooks do not have enough USB power to support USB extensions beyond the standard 15ft cable.

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« Reply #14 on: April 30, 2014, 12:46:57 PM »
And how does all this relate to WiFi remote??

I will be buying a decent laptop for this activity.

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« Reply #14 on: April 30, 2014, 12:46:57 PM »