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Re: Patent: Canon EF 24-85 f/3.5-5.6 IS
« Reply #15 on: February 10, 2014, 02:43:48 AM »
So that would spell the end of the 24-105.

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Re: Patent: Canon EF 24-85 f/3.5-5.6 IS
« Reply #16 on: February 10, 2014, 02:52:21 AM »
So that would spell the end of the 24-105.

It will entirely depend on the IQ and price...

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Re: Patent: Canon EF 24-85 f/3.5-5.6 IS
« Reply #17 on: February 10, 2014, 03:01:04 AM »
So that would spell the end of the 24-105.
Example 3 on this patent is quite likely the end of the 24-105.
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Re: Patent: Canon EF 24-85 f/3.5-5.6 IS
« Reply #18 on: February 10, 2014, 04:08:02 AM »
I'm not sure that this isn't just a possibility that Canon patented when it was designing full-frame macro capable standard zooms; it seems to me that what we actually got was the 24-70 f/4 IS.

Does Canon need a lower price kit lens? That depends upon the price of the camera body; it seems that kit lenses tend to fall into the "cost ~25-33% of camera body price" bracket. Currently the 24-105 is selling for $1100/£650, which is fine for the $3200/£2300 5D Mk3, but a bit high for the $1750/£1350 6D.

Canon are also deeply Nikon focused (and vice-versa), Nikon have a cheaper kit option with their new 24-85 f/3.5-4.5 VR at $2296. Whilst the 6D has the better lens, for the uninitiated $2450/£1925 is still more expensive than the Nikon kit. On top of this, I'd be willing to bet that Canon is making a lower profit margin on its 6D kit than Nikon is on their D610 kit. This would leave them vulnerable to any price cutting promotion from Nikon, so there is probably some justification for a cheaper kit lens option, however boring to forum members!

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Re: Patent: Canon EF 24-85 f/3.5-5.6 IS
« Reply #19 on: February 10, 2014, 04:48:12 AM »
Nikon has a cheap low weight (465g) 24-85 f/3.5-4.5 VR lens as cheap kit lens.

Canon's patent calls for 24-85 f/3.5-5.6 IS.

Hope Canon can improve on this unless Canon's version is MUCH lighter.

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Re: Patent: Canon EF 24-85 f/3.5-5.6 IS
« Reply #20 on: February 10, 2014, 05:04:12 AM »
However I do see it might have merit if Canon can produce it at a price at least a couple hundred dollars lower than the 24-70mm L IS (which I believe is its current closest ‘competition’).

Doesn't mean much as the 24-70L/4 is still overpriced - but probably this upcoming new lens is the reason for that, they don't want to compete with themselves but intended to leave some space below all along.

Example 3 on this patent is quite likely the end of the 24-105.

... and as the new lens won't be sealed Canon at least gets rid of the competitior for their 24-70L zooms, making people interested in a large zoom lens buy a 70-xyz right away :->

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Re: Patent: Canon EF 24-85 f/3.5-5.6 IS
« Reply #21 on: February 10, 2014, 05:05:50 AM »
I really liked the idea of a new 24-85. But it will depend on the price, IQ and the size/weight.

The 24-105L is too big and heavy in my eyes and the 28-135 is not wide enough (and big, too). My old 24-85 is a nice small and capable lense and a *real* alltime-workhorse. Of course it's not fast or even weathersealed, but it's sharp from f5.6 on to at least f11 and the USM is fast and nearly silent. I shortly thought of replacing it with the 24-70L4, but the L was too big anyway.

It's one of the few lenses I would never get rid of. I just wonder why the new one will be 3.5-5.6 as the old one is 3.5-4.5. But that's most likely because of the longer IS-calculation.

Example:    24-85@f6.3   (straight out of a 5D)    http://tf.weimarnetz.de/downloads/24_85.jpg
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Re: Patent: Canon EF 24-85 f/3.5-5.6 IS
« Reply #22 on: February 10, 2014, 06:06:17 AM »
They need some sort of cheap FF kit lens. They just need to remember to make it cheap.
You fixed/variable aperture snobs can go on whinging though; this never is/was about saying it's a "good" lens though good to see Canon's recent releases even down the consumer end (like the EF-S STMs) have great IQ.

This is purely for the people who are convinced to buy one because it comes with a lens that doesn't add a bucketload of cost. Better getting them a body with future possibilities of sales than not getting the body sale at all because the price shot up too much with the L-zoom.

I agree.  I would add that being the 5Dc is a nice cheap entry level FF body for those wanting to dip their toe in the FF water, they then get hit with a lot of L-series expensive glass (even second hand lenses).  Having a cheap FF zoom alternative to learn about FF would be realy useful and allow people to aspire to the world of L-series. 

I doubt this lens would be for the hardened user who already has a supply of L-series, but would be a good introduction or "even walk around and not get robbed" lens.
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Re: Patent: Canon EF 24-85 f/3.5-5.6 IS
« Reply #23 on: February 10, 2014, 06:49:30 AM »
They need some sort of cheap FF kit lens. They just need to remember to make it cheap.
You fixed/variable aperture snobs can go on whinging though; this never is/was about saying it's a "good" lens though good to see Canon's recent releases even down the consumer end (like the EF-S STMs) have great IQ.
This is purely for the people who are convinced to buy one because it comes with a lens that doesn't add a bucketload of cost. Better getting them a body with future possibilities of sales than not getting the body sale at all because the price shot up too much with the L-zoom.
It is time to replace the mediocre 28-135mm. It makes no sense to buy 6D to use zoom low quality. Being this  24-85mm only F5.6 at tele side, needs to be lightweight and cost less than $ 500 in kit with 6D. There is also a gap to be filled with a lens 28-200mm IS.
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Re: Patent: Canon EF 24-85 f/3.5-5.6 IS
« Reply #24 on: February 10, 2014, 06:55:29 AM »
I really liked the idea of a new 24-85. But it will depend on the price, IQ and the size/weight.

The 24-105L is too big and heavy in my eyes and the 28-135 is not wide enough (and big, too). My old 24-85 is a nice small and capable lense and a *real* alltime-workhorse. Of course it's not fast or even weathersealed, but it's sharp from f5.6 on to at least f11 and the USM is fast and nearly silent. I shortly thought of replacing it with the 24-70L4, but the L was too big anyway.

It's one of the few lenses I would never get rid of. I just wonder why the new one will be 3.5-5.6 as the old one is 3.5-4.5. But that's most likely because of the longer IS-calculation.

Example:    24-85@f6.3   (straight out of a 5D)    http://tf.weimarnetz.de/downloads/24_85.jpg


I still have my old 24-85 f/3.5-4.5 as well. I don't use it since I got my 15-85, but I would love to see a resurrection with modern optical quality and IS in the case I were to move to full frame.

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Re: Patent: Canon EF 24-85 f/3.5-5.6 IS
« Reply #25 on: February 10, 2014, 07:57:20 AM »
I really liked the idea of a new 24-85. But it will depend on the price, IQ and the size/weight.

The 24-105L is too big and heavy in my eyes and the 28-135 is not wide enough (and big, too). My old 24-85 is a nice small and capable lense and a *real* alltime-workhorse. Of course it's not fast or even weathersealed, but it's sharp from f5.6 on to at least f11 and the USM is fast and nearly silent. I shortly thought of replacing it with the 24-70L4, but the L was too big anyway.

It's one of the few lenses I would never get rid of. I just wonder why the new one will be 3.5-5.6 as the old one is 3.5-4.5. But that's most likely because of the longer IS-calculation.

Example:    24-85@f6.3   (straight out of a 5D)    http://tf.weimarnetz.de/downloads/24_85.jpg


I still have my old 24-85 f/3.5-4.5 as well. I don't use it since I got my 15-85, but I would love to see a resurrection with modern optical quality and IS in the case I were to move to full frame.


Yes that would be good; the 24-85 f/3.5-4.5 is a deliciously compact lens, but the image quality is sadly lacking.
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Re: Patent: Canon EF 24-85 f/3.5-5.6 IS
« Reply #26 on: February 10, 2014, 09:37:54 AM »
This is Canons new strategy for sure - patents.

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Re: Patent: Canon EF 24-85 f/3.5-5.6 IS
« Reply #27 on: February 10, 2014, 10:44:35 AM »
Was there a previous patent published for the 24-70L f/4 IS?

The filing date of this was not long before the announcement and release of that lens.  Is the embodiment described (number 3) that of the current 24-70L f/4 IS, or is there a difference?

Also, does anybody know if Japenese patent law has a provision similar to our 102(g) rule?

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« Reply #28 on: February 10, 2014, 03:45:08 PM »
Canon had a 24-85 kit lens that it sold with the ill fated IX-APS series.  It was a good - or a terrible - lens depending upon which physical lens you got and the variety was an insult to quality control techniques.
Then came the 28-105 with the A2/A2E series and later the 28-135IS.  Ignoring the "L" lenses, Canon has
tried this range again and again (don't forget the terrible 28-90 throw-aways that came with film Rebels).
Maybe this time they'll get the lens right - but I'll bet the price will be wrong.

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Re: Patent: Canon EF 24-85 f/3.5-5.6 IS
« Reply #29 on: February 11, 2014, 12:52:23 AM »
Maybe this time they'll get the lens right - but I'll bet the price will be wrong.

Good iq and good price at least for some time after the lens' release are mutually exclusive - it's a market system after all. If you want a good price you have to look with a product that has some flaws that you can live with but others cannot - like the 6d af system or the 17-40L's (corner) sharpness wide open.

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