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Re: What's Next from Canon?
« Reply #30 on: February 14, 2014, 12:34:35 AM »
The EOS M isn't that popular in Japan either, but at $300 it is at least affordable.

That is entirely FALSE.

After its price cut, the EOS-M is the SECOND most popular mirrorless camera in Japan in 2013 (see http://bcnranking.jp/news/1312/131227_27056.html) and this enabled Canon to capture 9.3% of the mirrorless camera market share (see http://bcnranking.jp/news/1401/140110_27101.html). In contrast, Panasonic and Nikon with their MULTIPLE camera models only managed to capture 14.2 and 9.2% market shares.

Please get your facts straight before you post rubbish on the web.

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Re: What's Next from Canon?
« Reply #30 on: February 14, 2014, 12:34:35 AM »

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Re: What's Next from Canon?
« Reply #31 on: February 14, 2014, 01:12:29 AM »
The EOS M isn't that popular in Japan either, but at $300 it is at least affordable.

That is entirely FALSE.

After its price cut, the EOS-M is the SECOND most popular mirrorless camera in Japan in 2013 (see http://bcnranking.jp/news/1312/131227_27056.html) and this enabled Canon to capture 9.3% of the mirrorless camera market share (see http://bcnranking.jp/news/1401/140110_27101.html). In contrast, Panasonic and Nikon with their MULTIPLE camera models only managed to capture 14.2 and 9.2% market shares.

Please get your facts straight before you post rubbish on the web.

Fair enough, I stand corrected. 9.2% of the Mirrorless market is hardly anything to have a song and dance about. And second place is still second place, as in there is another camera that is more popular.

Still hardly ever see them out in the wild. No one I know owns one.

You could have been a bit more tactful with your put down. I hardly stated any numbers or facts to begin with, and yeah I should have researched it and added that it was my opinion that it seems a less popular option.

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Re: What's Next from Canon?
« Reply #32 on: February 14, 2014, 01:26:46 AM »
The EOS M isn't that popular in Japan either, but at $300 it is at least affordable.

That is entirely FALSE.

After its price cut, the EOS-M is the SECOND most popular mirrorless camera in Japan in 2013 (see http://bcnranking.jp/news/1312/131227_27056.html) and this enabled Canon to capture 9.3% of the mirrorless camera market share (see http://bcnranking.jp/news/1401/140110_27101.html). In contrast, Panasonic and Nikon with their MULTIPLE camera models only managed to capture 14.2 and 9.2% market shares.

Please get your facts straight before you post rubbish on the web.

Fair enough, I stand corrected. 9.2% of the Mirrorless market is hardly anything to have a song and dance about. And second place is still second place, as in there is another camera that is more popular.

Still hardly ever see them out in the wild. No one I know owns one.

You could have been a bit more tactful with your put down. I hardly stated any numbers or facts to begin with, and yeah I should have researched it and added that it was my opinion that it seems a less popular option.

Your ignoring the fact that Canon gained 9.2% of the market share in a year. All other mirrorless contendors, including Nikon and Panasonic, were there years ahead of Canon. To gain as much market share as Nikon in a fraction of the time is very telling.

As I've said before, EOS-M seems to be selling like hotcakes in Japan, and sells relatively well in the Asian markets overall. If the current rate is sustained, Canon could easily rise to second largest mirrorless manufacturer in Japan and possibly all of the asian markets within another year or two. THAT is the point. ;)
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Re: What's Next from Canon?
« Reply #33 on: February 14, 2014, 01:33:28 AM »
I don't see why the G1X II would be any less than $799 at launch.  The RX100 II is still $699, and the G1X II is offers a heck of a lot more than that camera. 

I paid full price for the original G1X, and I'll do the same here.  To me the G1X was my dream camera, minus the 1cm macro form the G series.  The Mark II offers 5cm macro, a full stop faster, wifi, 24mm, and almost same size as EOS M.  Al-in-all it IS my dream camera, and in fact its MORE than I even dreamed of getting!!!  I'm not one those folks that dreams outside the laws of physics, lol.   BRAVO Canon.  Proved to EVERYBODY (Not literally) that they are the best of the best.  Sony looked good for a little while anyway. lol

Bring on the Mark II, WITHOUT the EFV, which I think is pretty dorky looking in practice. hahaha

You can get a Sony a6000 for $800 with faster AF, better DR, better lowlight, more AF points, 90% AF coverage, AND EVF.

FOR $800!


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Re: What's Next from Canon?
« Reply #34 on: February 14, 2014, 01:40:17 AM »
Somehow I bumped into a rumor of the Nikon D4s and though "This is my perfect camera!" FF, 24MP, 10FPS. Well, only in specs because Nikon ergos and UI don't work for me. But that's a sweet camera in specs. The D4 is a nice camera too.

I wish Canon would come out with something that exciting. The 1Dx last did it for me. The 5D MKIII just missed the boat a bit. If you don't need the much improved AF, you don't need an upgrade. And the older version is already 3 or so years old. It's sad.

The G1x MKII is a $400 - $450 camera. I hope no one has their career riding on sales of that camera. Give me the EOS-M anytime.
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Re: What's Next from Canon?
« Reply #35 on: February 14, 2014, 01:40:56 AM »
Well....I NEVER thought that I would say THIS....but I am more interested in What's Next From Sigma!!!   :o

Yup, I'm pretty much sold on the new 50mm, and If Sigma comes out with a solid supertelephoto prime it's going to make justifying the price of a Big White that much harder.
If only they could produce a decent body that puts AF with Sigma lenses at the same level as the established systems.

The 100-400 MkII could be interesting, but the SX50 IS successor actually is holding more interest than anything else at the moment.
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Re: What's Next from Canon?
« Reply #36 on: February 14, 2014, 03:08:40 AM »
And second place is still second place, as in there is another camera that is more popular.

Firstly, there are more than 30 models of mirrorless cameras out there and to be ranked in second place is nothing to snort at.

Secondly, the most popular model, NEX-5R, only managed to capture 11.9% market shares, a smidge more than the EOS-M at 9.2%. If the most popular model is commanding 20 to 30% market share, then you may have a point here. But that's clearly not the case here.

Still hardly ever see them out in the wild. No one I know owns one.

You could have been a bit more tactful with your put down. I hardly stated any numbers or facts to begin with, and yeah I should have researched it and added that it was my opinion that it seems a less popular option.

To extend your personal observations based on a small circle of people you know to the entire population of camera users in Japan is to spread falsehood with no basis.

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« Reply #37 on: February 14, 2014, 03:19:12 AM »
I don't see why the G1X II would be any less than $799 at launch.  The RX100 II is still $699, and the G1X II is offers a heck of a lot more than that camera. 

I paid full price for the original G1X, and I'll do the same here.  To me the G1X was my dream camera, minus the 1cm macro form the G series.  The Mark II offers 5cm macro, a full stop faster, wifi, 24mm, and almost same size as EOS M.  Al-in-all it IS my dream camera, and in fact its MORE than I even dreamed of getting!!!  I'm not one those folks that dreams outside the laws of physics, lol.   BRAVO Canon.  Proved to EVERYBODY (Not literally) that they are the best of the best.  Sony looked good for a little while anyway. lol

Bring on the Mark II, WITHOUT the EFV, which I think is pretty dorky looking in practice. hahaha

You can get a Sony a6000 for $800 with faster AF, better DR, better lowlight, more AF points, 90% AF coverage, AND EVF.

FOR $800!


http://camerasize.com/compact/#535,534,ha,f


yeah...
I know eactly who the G1X mark II is marketed for.... ME!
I think what people don't get is that people like me just don't want a camera with separate lenses! but still want decent image quality. If I could buy a good m43 camera with a lens that did macro, zoom, wide appature etc, then maybe I'd think about it, but what would be the point? as I would never take off that lens!
Ok so the price is a bit steep, but it would be the only thing I'd ever need in my kit bag!
Yes you can buy the new sony with a lens for about the same price, but then you'd need extra lens for the other shooting conditions.
I have pre-ordered the new G1x and I can't wait to get out there with it!

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Re: What's Next from Canon?
« Reply #38 on: February 14, 2014, 03:30:17 AM »
"Things haven’t been too exciting for Canon since the introduction of the very good EOS 6D".
Are you kidding me? I was really disappointed with the introduction of that camera as it has only one usable AF point (way behind the competition)

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Re: What's Next from Canon?
« Reply #39 on: February 14, 2014, 03:58:37 AM »
And second place is still second place, as in there is another camera that is more popular.

Firstly, there are more than 30 models of mirrorless cameras out there and to be ranked in second place is nothing to snort at.

Secondly, the most popular model, NEX-5R, only managed to capture 11.9% market shares, a smidge more than the EOS-M at 9.2%. If the most popular model is commanding 20 to 30% market share, then you may have a point here. But that's clearly not the case here.

Still hardly ever see them out in the wild. No one I know owns one.

You could have been a bit more tactful with your put down. I hardly stated any numbers or facts to begin with, and yeah I should have researched it and added that it was my opinion that it seems a less popular option.

To extend your personal observations based on a small circle of people you know to the entire population of camera users in Japan is to spread falsehood with no basis.

What exactly are we trying to achieve here?

As you can see I have an EOS M. I Like the EOS M. I want to see more lenses for the EOS M. I wish the camera had more notoriety and market share so that Canon might create more for the EOS M.

Which part do you disagree upon?

No one listens to my observations or opinions anyway. Sorry if I have tainted the web with my deceit!   
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Re: What's Next from Canon?
« Reply #40 on: February 14, 2014, 04:08:10 AM »
The EOS 7D Mark II will finally be unveiled and should be in your eager hands by the fall of 2014. It will set a new benchmark in the APS-C segment.

Lets take a look on the upgrade cycle:

xxxxD Series - every three years

xxxD Series - quite every year

xxD Series - up to two years

xD Series - 7D and the 1DsIII on top with up to six years. All the others between two and four years.

Why does it take forever for the 7D? This makes just no sense to me. I'm just quite sick of waiting... I even start thinking about buying a used 1DIV or a new 5DIII. Come on Canon, hurry up!


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Re: What's Next from Canon?
« Reply #41 on: February 14, 2014, 04:27:44 AM »
THAT is the point. ;)

But surely the point is - only in Japan...

There's no guarantee right now that Canon will sell any further M series products in the US or EU.

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Re: What's Next from Canon?
« Reply #42 on: February 14, 2014, 04:48:50 AM »


Lets take a look on the upgrade cycle:

xxxxD Series - every three years

xxxD Series - quite every year

xxD Series - up to two years

xD Series - 7D and the 1DsIII on top with up to six years. All the others between two and four years.


Canons Update cycle in the higher segments is rather unpredictable for me. The 60D was released back in 2009 together with the 7D. The sucessor of the 60D was released last year, so it took roughly 4 years to upgrade to the 70D. If the rumors of the 7D Mark 2 are true we will see a sucessor this year.
The G1X was released in 2012 ... so we have a 2 year upgrade cycle for this model so far. And the EOS M was released back in 2012 as well ... no "real" upgrade available so far.

I ask myself if the rumored third DSLR could be an upgrade for the 700D, the 6D, or for the EOS 100D??? I think one of the sucessors of these cameras could get Dual-Pixel technology as well
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« Reply #43 on: February 14, 2014, 04:54:05 AM »
I think I might be in the segment that is most under threat from Canon's mirrorless competitors.

I am not a pro, never will be. I enjoy my photography, but not that enthusiastic (nor have specialist interests like sport) that I am about to buy things like a 7D mk II or L lenses...

I have had a succession of low-end Canon DSLRs - 450D, 500D, 600D - all bought a price points when I could sell on my current model and upgrade for a low cost - and been happy enough with mainly EF-S lenses and a couple of the cheaper EF primes.

I then bought lock stock and barrel into the EOS M as I wanted a more compact system and my small investment in Canon lenses and accessories was enough to tip me in favour of staying in the Canon world.

Good though the M is for the price, it does have many shortcomings. And my worry is now that Canon are not showing any commitment to the M system outside of Asia and so I have no guarantee that even if they address those shortcomings, Canon will be willing to sell it to me.  Who knows? I was surprised like everyone that they didn't make the M2 available outside Asia, so there is no guarantee the M3 will be either should it arrive.

So now I look at the recent launches of the Sony A6000 and the Olympus OM-D E10, and can see that whilst they may not offer sufficient to tempt the committed Canon DSLR enthusiast away, they are good enough for the likes of me who might have bought an M2 or say a 700D.

Here in the UK it is interesting to note that the pre-order prices of the Sony A6000 (£729) and the Olympus OM-D E10 (£599) with kit lenses are both lower than the G1 X II (£749).  And that is before you even add the price of the EVF to the G1 X II, that the others already have.
Now we can argue that these are not really competitors, but it does kinda highlight the VFM these cameras offer for their feature set compared to Canon.

And you might argue that I will never be able to get the quality of Canon L lenses on Sony or Olympus, but for people like me that is a mute point because I will never be buying L lenses for my existing Canon anyway...

In the mass consumer market where I am happy to select my Cameras from then I really am tempted now to jump to a A6000 or E10 as Canon offer me nothing that comes even remotely close feature wise IMO.

The lure of an M3 or M-Pro at some distant unknown point in the future, without a guarantee that even then they will be willing to sell it to me in the EU, isn't enough.

Canon need to be making signs really quick - even if it is just lenses - that they are committed to the mirrorless market in the EU or I am gone  (probably before my summer holiday when I will be contemplating what camera I will take - and I don't want to be carting around a bulky DSLR...)
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Re: What's Next from Canon?
« Reply #44 on: February 14, 2014, 05:11:07 AM »
I personally just need a reliable 50mm.

1.8, 1.4, 1.X? I don't care.. Under $600 ideally, reliable, accurate, decent sharpness and bokeh, I'll buy one the day it's announced..


The new Sigma 50mm Art should get the job done for you.

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