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Re: New EF-S 24mm & USM Motor Coming? [CR1]
« Reply #15 on: February 18, 2014, 12:08:21 PM »
We’re told to expect a new EF-S 24mm STM prime lens to arrive some time in the summer.

But I ain't holdin' mah breath.

After years of using APS-C cameras with no dedicated EF-S prime lens of this or similar focal length, now they are going to release the EF-S 24mm, when I've shifted to full frame a couple of years ago.  :(

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Re: New EF-S 24mm & USM Motor Coming? [CR1]
« Reply #15 on: February 18, 2014, 12:08:21 PM »

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Re: New EF-S 24mm & USM Motor Coming? [CR1]
« Reply #16 on: February 18, 2014, 12:14:01 PM »
Is there a particular reason that makes EF-S cameras need (dedicated) 24mm lenses?

Is there any reason FF body shooters need a dedicated 35mm lens?

Come on, it's pretty much one of the most popular fl's in all photo history.
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Re: New EF-S 24mm & USM Motor Coming? [CR1]
« Reply #17 on: February 18, 2014, 12:35:14 PM »
Why 24mm? wouldn't it be more of the EF-M 22mm. Thats a true 35mm equivalent.

I'm all fo EF-S primes.
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Re: New EF-S 24mm & USM Motor Coming? [CR1]
« Reply #18 on: February 18, 2014, 12:41:19 PM »
Something like this would only make sense if it's f/2 or faster.  17-55 f/2.8 IS covers the range and has IS.  Yes, it's more expensive, but it's focal length range is useful.

I disagree for form factor reasons.  If it's a pancake lens, there's your value proposition.  It might not be for you, but many folks would love to turn their APS-C rigs into inconspicuous + easier-to-bring-with-them-everywhere 35mm FF equivalent walkaround setups. 

So I think that a fairly quick (say F/2) wider prime in a pancake format would be very well received I think.

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I don't necessarily disagree with you, but what if it was a f/2.8 lens without IS like the EF 40?  I see little value in that.  A person bringing both the 24 and 40 and possibly something else might be better served by the 17-55.  Either that or pick up the M with the 22 f/2, which is still less inconspicuous than an APS-C body.

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Re: New EF-S 24mm & USM Motor Coming? [CR1]
« Reply #19 on: February 18, 2014, 12:42:05 PM »
Why 24mm?

Because the 24mm focal length has been understood and perfected like 40 years ago already, so there's very little R&D involved in designing the optics for this new lens.
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« Reply #20 on: February 18, 2014, 12:43:57 PM »
A person bringing both the 24 and 40 and possibly something else might be better served by the 17-55.

Theoretically, yes. But everybody likes zoom lenses, for various reasons.
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Re: New EF-S 24mm & USM Motor Coming? [CR1]
« Reply #21 on: February 18, 2014, 12:44:21 PM »
EF-S 24 would be near to 40 pancake FOV on FF. It's also near to EF-M 22/2, so I hope will be cheap, light and F2.

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Re: New EF-S 24mm & USM Motor Coming? [CR1]
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Re: New EF-S 24mm & USM Motor Coming? [CR1]
« Reply #22 on: February 18, 2014, 01:02:37 PM »
Something like this would only make sense if it's f/2 or faster.  17-55 f/2.8 IS covers the range and has IS.  Yes, it's more expensive, but it's focal length range is useful.

I disagree for form factor reasons.  If it's a pancake lens, there's your value proposition.  It might not be for you, but many folks would love to turn their APS-C rigs into inconspicuous + easier-to-bring-with-them-everywhere 35mm FF equivalent walkaround setups. 

So I think that a fairly quick (say F/2) wider prime in a pancake format would be very well received I think.

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I don't necessarily disagree with you, but what if it was a f/2.8 lens without IS like the EF 40?  I see little value in that.  A person bringing both the 24 and 40 and possibly something else might be better served by the 17-55.  Either that or pick up the M with the 22 f/2, which is still less inconspicuous than an APS-C body.

This gets to the specificity of shooters' needs:

If you want a tiny camera/lens size + an AF prime in the 24-50mm FF-equivalent focal length + APS-C sensor --> EOS-M + 22mm pancake (plus a lot of Fuji options)

But if you want all that with a proper optical viewfinder, you are out of luck.  Some would say that's too picky a combination.  Give up one of your requirements:  you could opt for an MF lens on an adapter, a large 20mm or 24mm prime with an EF mount, or use the 40mm pancake with an effective FL of 64mm.

Others might get a P&S for that need. 

And others would celebrate more pancakes from Canon.  I imagine that I'm not the only one.

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Re: New EF-S 24mm & USM Motor Coming? [CR1]
« Reply #23 on: February 18, 2014, 01:04:34 PM »
If it's a 24mm equivalent (15mm) this would be interesting. But 24mm...no thanks.
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Re: New EF-S 24mm & USM Motor Coming? [CR1]
« Reply #24 on: February 18, 2014, 01:36:41 PM »
I see little value in that.  A person bringing both the 24 and 40 and possibly something else might be better served by the 17-55.  Either that or pick up the M with the 22 f/2, which is still less inconspicuous than an APS-C body.
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For me, I do adventure sports, which either involves long treks, or being put into a small case in the back of my boat. That weight makes a very big difference over miles, and it effects how the camera handles.  The EOS M can't AF, which makes it of limited use for multi-frame bursts. It's the same issue with basically all the mirrorless cameras; I need portability AND the ability to shoot action.

Moreover, if the new lens ends up being about the size of the 22 STM, I can own it and the 40mm pancake and still have $400+ and 1lb of weight saved. If it ends up being f/2 instead of f/2.8, then its even better off than the 17-55 (IS is of no use to me in action shooting)
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Re: New EF-S 24mm & USM Motor Coming? [CR1]
« Reply #25 on: February 18, 2014, 01:41:30 PM »
And others would celebrate more pancakes from Canon.  I imagine that I'm not the only one.
Bingo. I was against the 40mm when it was released...didnt think it made sense with the 50mm already out there. But I get it now.

A combo of pancakes or smaller EF-S lenses would be great. 24mm is fine, though like others I'd obviously also like a 15-16mm EF-S prime and a longer prime (something in the 60-85 range).

Cause to date, the best mirrorless cameras dont quite measure up to what I need. If Canon can beat them there, giving me a useable combo with a DSLR instead, I'd gladly stay with them as a lineup

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Re: New EF-S 24mm & USM Motor Coming? [CR1]
« Reply #26 on: February 18, 2014, 02:40:33 PM »
OK, been thinking ... if Canon made this rascal weather-sealed ... oh, boy!
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Re: New EF-S 24mm & USM Motor Coming? [CR1]
« Reply #27 on: February 18, 2014, 03:03:46 PM »
OK, been thinking ... if Canon made this rascal weather-sealed ... oh, boy!

Is there a single EF-S weather-sealed lens?  I don't believe there is...

Surely, they'd save the first weather-sealed EF-S lens for use with a sealed body like the 7D (or 7D2), so I'd think it would be saved for a super high quality EF-S zoom, like a 17-55 F/2.8 IS Mark II if they ever made one.

If pancakes are coming to EF-S, we should keep our feet on the ground.  Don't expect IS, massive apertures, or weather-sealing.  Small size has a cost.  :P

Again, if pancakes are coming, I'll use Canon's last two pancakes as a read of things to come.  They will be small and sharp.  USM would be the most we could hope for, I think (and that would be awesome).

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« Reply #28 on: February 18, 2014, 03:12:47 PM »
Surely, they'd save the first weather-sealed EF-S lens for use with a sealed body like the 7D (or 7D2), so I'd think it would be saved for a super high quality EF-S zoom, like a 17-55 F/2.8 IS Mark II if they ever made one.

An EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS blah Mark II ... why isn't there a barf emoticon?
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Re: New EF-S 24mm & USM Motor Coming? [CR1]
« Reply #29 on: February 18, 2014, 03:20:13 PM »
Sometimes I get jealous of my friends who shoot with Nikon. :( One of them bought Nikon 35mm F1.8 DX lens, and that's great. ::) When I see the flash SB700 (medium model) also serving as master wireless, am ashamed of the 430 EXII not do the same. >:( When I complain of the lack of APS-C primes (here in CR) tell me that I can buy Sigma 30mm F1.4, or Canon 28mm F2.8 IS. :-[ Seriously, Sigma costing $500 without image stabilizer, and Canon  costing $550 for only F2.8? :-X APS-C allows a lens 24mm (or 22mm) F2 very compact and below $300. Come on, Canon! I'm waiting.
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