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Re: Canon DSLR Announcement in March? [CR1]
« Reply #30 on: February 20, 2014, 04:13:51 AM »
Where I live a 70D body costs about $1250. On initial release a Rebel Txi usually costs around $1100 with its crappy kit lens (they cost a lot less at the moment, but that is because the T5i is relatively old now). If what you say is correct, and they released a T6i with marginal improvements over the T5i, then it is going to have a tough time competing with the 70D. Who in their right mind would buy a T6i when for a little bit more they could get a much better camera in the 70D? I think one of the problems with Canon's DSLR lineup is that they have too many models on the market. It is not really economical to support future development of all of them.

It is much simpler for Canon to reduce the price of the 70D one or two hundred dollars than it is to start producing a new camera.

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Re: Canon DSLR Announcement in March? [CR1]
« Reply #30 on: February 20, 2014, 04:13:51 AM »

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Re: Canon DSLR Announcement in March? [CR1]
« Reply #31 on: February 20, 2014, 05:29:25 AM »
Well i think i´m not in the topic as you guys. So here is my question:
Why shouldn´t there be an 5D update like the 800 to 800e?

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Re: Canon DSLR Announcement in March? [CR1]
« Reply #32 on: February 20, 2014, 08:34:20 AM »
Well i think i´m not in the topic as you guys. So here is my question:
Why shouldn´t there be an 5D update like the 800 to 800e?
Currently 5D Mark III is the camera best selling in its category. This does not encourage Canon to launch a replacement this year. Maybe appear one "5D Mark IV" seen in 2015. On the other hand, Nikon D800 is not a great sales success, much less D800E. This forces Nikon update their models as quickly as possible, to avoid losing market share. Suppose Canon make now an "5D Mark IV" much better than the Mark III. It could steal sales from more expensive 1DX. In addition, Canon 1DX sells more of Nikon D4. Because of that Nikon did an update with D4S to stay competitive.
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Re: Canon DSLR Announcement in March? [CR1]
« Reply #33 on: February 20, 2014, 08:38:55 AM »
Well i think i´m not in the topic as you guys. So here is my question:
Why shouldn´t there be an 5D update like the 800 to 800e?
Currently 5D mark iii is the camera best selling in its category. This does not encourage Canon to launch a replacement this year. Maybe appear one "5D mark IV" seen in 2015. On the other hand, Nikon D800 is not a great sales success, much less D800E. This forces Nikon update their models as quickly as possible, to avoid losing market share.
The D800E is not an upgrade of D800. It is a D800 without the AA filter. Everything else about them is the same.

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Re: Canon DSLR Announcement in March? [CR1]
« Reply #34 on: February 20, 2014, 08:51:05 AM »
Well i think i´m not in the topic as you guys. So here is my question:
Why shouldn´t there be an 5D update like the 800 to 800e?
Currently 5D mark iii is the camera best selling in its category. This does not encourage Canon to launch a replacement this year. Maybe appear one "5D mark IV" seen in 2015. On the other hand, Nikon D800 is not a great sales success, much less D800E. This forces Nikon update their models as quickly as possible, to avoid losing market share.
The D800E is not an upgrade of D800. It is a D800 without the AA filter. Everything else about them is the same.
I did not say it D800E would be an update of D800, since they were launched at the same time. However, I imagine there will be only one version of the hypothetical D900, possibly without AA filter.

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Re: Canon DSLR Announcement in March? [CR1]
« Reply #35 on: February 20, 2014, 08:55:17 AM »
Well i think i´m not in the topic as you guys. So here is my question:
Why shouldn´t there be an 5D update like the 800 to 800e?
Currently 5D mark iii is the camera best selling in its category. This does not encourage Canon to launch a replacement this year. Maybe appear one "5D mark IV" seen in 2015. On the other hand, Nikon D800 is not a great sales success, much less D800E. This forces Nikon update their models as quickly as possible, to avoid losing market share.
The D800E is not an upgrade of D800. It is a D800 without the AA filter. Everything else about them is the same.
I did not say it D800E would be an update of D800, since they were launched at the same time. However, I imagine there will be only one version of the hypothetical D900, possibly without AA filter.
Your words: "Why shouldn´t there be an 5D update like the 800 to 800e?"

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Re: Canon DSLR Announcement in March? [CR1]
« Reply #36 on: February 20, 2014, 09:00:37 AM »
Where I live a 70D body costs about $1250. On initial release a Rebel Txi usually costs around $1100 with its crappy kit lens (they cost a lot less at the moment, but that is because the T5i is relatively old now).

Maybe Canon does things differently in some regions, but where I live (Japan) T5i's "crappy kit lenses" are exactly the same as the ones that come with the 70D: 18-55mm STM and 55-250 STM, neither of which are crappy at all.

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Re: Canon DSLR Announcement in March? [CR1]
« Reply #36 on: February 20, 2014, 09:00:37 AM »

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Re: Canon DSLR Announcement in March? [CR1]
« Reply #37 on: February 20, 2014, 09:10:12 AM »
Well i think i´m not in the topic as you guys. So here is my question:
Why shouldn´t there be an 5D update like the 800 to 800e?
Currently 5D mark iii is the camera best selling in its category. This does not encourage Canon to launch a replacement this year. Maybe appear one "5D mark IV" seen in 2015. On the other hand, Nikon D800 is not a great sales success, much less D800E. This forces Nikon update their models as quickly as possible, to avoid losing market share.
The D800E is not an upgrade of D800. It is a D800 without the AA filter. Everything else about them is the same.
I did not say it D800E would be an update of D800, since they were launched at the same time. However, I imagine there will be only one version of the hypothetical D900, possibly without AA filter.
Your words: "Why shouldn´t there be an 5D update like the 800 to 800e?"
Dear friend Tron. Just a misunderstanding. You responded by making a quote from my message, and referred to a statement from the new member of CR "Floder3" which seemed to affirm D800E would be an upgrade. I re-read, and understand that you fixed an incorrect idea of ​​"Floder3". All cleared up now.

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Re: Canon DSLR Announcement in March? [CR1]
« Reply #38 on: February 20, 2014, 09:11:57 AM »
Well i think i´m not in the topic as you guys. So here is my question:
Why shouldn´t there be an 5D update like the 800 to 800e?
Currently 5D mark iii is the camera best selling in its category. This does not encourage Canon to launch a replacement this year. Maybe appear one "5D mark IV" seen in 2015. On the other hand, Nikon D800 is not a great sales success, much less D800E. This forces Nikon update their models as quickly as possible, to avoid losing market share.
The D800E is not an upgrade of D800. It is a D800 without the AA filter. Everything else about them is the same.
I did not say it D800E would be an update of D800, since they were launched at the same time. However, I imagine there will be only one version of the hypothetical D900, possibly without AA filter.
Your words: "Why shouldn´t there be an 5D update like the 800 to 800e?"
Dear friend Tron. Just a misunderstanding. You responded by making a quote from my message, and referred to a statement from the new member of CR "Floder3" which seemed to affirm D800E would be an upgrade. I re-read, and understand that you fixed an incorrect idea of ​​"Floder3". All cleared up now.
Very true! I should have made bold the part of the text I was referring to. Sorry for that!

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Re: Canon DSLR Announcement in March? [CR1]
« Reply #39 on: February 20, 2014, 09:44:05 AM »
Well i think i´m not in the topic as you guys. So here is my question:
Why shouldn´t there be an 5D update like the 800 to 800e?
Currently 5D mark iii is the camera best selling in its category. This does not encourage Canon to launch a replacement this year. Maybe appear one "5D mark IV" seen in 2015. On the other hand, Nikon D800 is not a great sales success, much less D800E. This forces Nikon update their models as quickly as possible, to avoid losing market share.
The D800E is not an upgrade of D800. It is a D800 without the AA filter. Everything else about them is the same.
I did not say it D800E would be an update of D800, since they were launched at the same time. However, I imagine there will be only one version of the hypothetical D900, possibly without AA filter.
Your words: "Why shouldn´t there be an 5D update like the 800 to 800e?"
Dear friend Tron. Just a misunderstanding. You responded by making a quote from my message, and referred to a statement from the new member of CR "Floder3" which seemed to affirm D800E would be an upgrade. I re-read, and understand that you fixed an incorrect idea of ​​"Floder3". All cleared up now.
Very true! I should have made bold the part of the text I was referring to. Sorry for that!
Thanks for the quick response :)
Now there is nothing in my way to buy the 5d3...
And sorry for my incorrect assumption, as i said i´m not in this topic as you :)

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Re: Canon DSLR Announcement in March? [CR1]
« Reply #40 on: February 20, 2014, 09:59:19 AM »
Where I live a 70D body costs about $1250. On initial release a Rebel Txi usually costs around $1100 with its crappy kit lens (they cost a lot less at the moment, but that is because the T5i is relatively old now). If what you say is correct, and they released a T6i with marginal improvements over the T5i, then it is going to have a tough time competing with the 70D. Who in their right mind would buy a T6i when for a little bit more they could get a much better camera in the 70D? I think one of the problems with Canon's DSLR lineup is that they have too many models on the market. It is not really economical to support future development of all of them.

It is much simpler for Canon to reduce the price of the 70D one or two hundred dollars than it is to start producing a new camera.

So what you're saying is Canon should cut the price of the 70D by about $200 or more and not release a new T6i?

Great. Now they're selling the 70D close to break even thus losing profit and to top it off they have no income at all from what used to be a best seller.

Development costs for their rebel line are quite low. You said yourself "... with marginal improvements". How much development do you think is going on in these rebels?! The developing has already been done. The cameras use tech filtered down from the older high end models. A little spit and polish, add a few new creative filters and increase the model number accordingly and voila! A T6i is born! Sit back and enjoy as profits go up!

People will buy it simply because it's newer. Others will wait until the price drops. Either way it will sell.

Move along nothing to see here!

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Re: Canon DSLR Announcement in March? [CR1]
« Reply #41 on: February 20, 2014, 10:06:24 AM »
Well i think i´m not in the topic as you guys. So here is my question:
Why shouldn´t there be an 5D update like the 800 to 800e?
Currently 5D mark iii is the camera best selling in its category. This does not encourage Canon to launch a replacement this year. Maybe appear one "5D mark IV" seen in 2015. On the other hand, Nikon D800 is not a great sales success, much less D800E. This forces Nikon update their models as quickly as possible, to avoid losing market share.
The D800E is not an upgrade of D800. It is a D800 without the AA filter. Everything else about them is the same.
I did not say it D800E would be an update of D800, since they were launched at the same time. However, I imagine there will be only one version of the hypothetical D900, possibly without AA filter.
Your words: "Why shouldn´t there be an 5D update like the 800 to 800e?"
Dear friend Tron. Just a misunderstanding. You responded by making a quote from my message, and referred to a statement from the new member of CR "Floder3" which seemed to affirm D800E would be an upgrade. I re-read, and understand that you fixed an incorrect idea of ​​"Floder3". All cleared up now.
Very true! I should have made bold the part of the text I was referring to. Sorry for that!
Thanks for the quick response :)
Now there is nothing in my way to buy the 5d3...
And sorry for my incorrect assumption, as i said i´m not in this topic as you :)
Go on and enjoy it  :)

Having sold my 5D2, I ordered a second 5D3  :)  :)  :)

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Re: Canon DSLR Announcement in March? [CR1]
« Reply #42 on: February 20, 2014, 11:42:33 AM »
Really hope some of these upcoming announcements are of interest to professionals. Seems like their last 10 announcements have been a new Powershot, or new cheap kit lens.

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Re: Canon DSLR Announcement in March? [CR1]
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Re: Canon DSLR Announcement in March? [CR1]
« Reply #43 on: February 20, 2014, 12:34:25 PM »
I own a 5DIII and love it but I shot with a Sony 7R this weekend and the images were just better.  Sharper by a wide margin.  I make big prints and it really shows there.  Maybe I just had a good day and the camera had nothing to do with it?
Interesting! Although I do not intend to change my hardware (I just ordered a second 5DIII) could you care to elaborate please? (for example did you focus using LV in both models, you used same lens, same aperture, tripod, same PP?)

 I always wondered why the 22mp raw processing of 5D3 is so slower than the 21mp raw processing of 5D2. Combining this with old case where DPP was not producing sharp pictures - THAT HAS BEEN CORRECTED WITH AN UPDATE - I wonder whether a possibly strong AA filter has something to do with it (just wondering, NOT knowing...)

Just an informal photowalk. around lower Manhattan  With the 5DIII my usual lens for this type of thing is a 24-105L f4  On the Sony I used the 28-70mm F3.5-5.6  kit lens.  It's an area I know and photograph well so I was using the Sony under real life conditions (for me) and could compare to similar days out with the Canon.  Mostly full auto.  I like AV but the lens on the Sony was not fast so I just used Auto and RAW.  I didn't care for the menus, and that's not because I am unfamiliar.  Fuji has a great menu system you can pick up in an hour.  This was not a formal test, just a test of the way I use my camera every day.  Sony RAWs were far, far sharper than the best my 5D3 has ever put out....and It has put out some great ones.
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Re: Canon DSLR Announcement in March? [CR1]
« Reply #44 on: February 20, 2014, 09:56:53 PM »
I think one of the problems with Canon's DSLR lineup is that they have too many models on the market. It is not really economical to support future development of all of them.

I believe that that is one of Canon's biggest problems right now. I also believe that Canon, for years, have continued to set the bar of performance for DSLR's.

1) The 5D was the first "compact" full frame DSLR, it was in a class all on it's own. (Nikon didn't follow until about 3 years later with the D700)

2) Even though the Nikon D90 was first, Canon raised the bar by putting video into the 5D2, a camera that was ahead of it's time and far superior to the D90 (at twice the price) in many ways. To this day, it's a very popular camera.

3) The 7D was loaded with features and speed and showed what a high performance crop body could do. A test bed for a lot of the technology that is found in today's Canon bodies.

4) The 5D3 integrated affordable speed and fantastic full frame image quality into a compact DSLR body (compared to dual-grip bodies), not to mention many other great features.

5) The 1DX stands king of speed and image quality. It was smart for Canon to blend the 1Ds and 1D lines in favor of this new powerhouse and sales proves it.

I think a lot of people got used to Canon always leading the way and lately it seems like the semi-professional APS-C segment (I.E. 7D line) has been largely ignored. The 70D is a very nice camera, but it's no "7D". Maybe it's on par with the 7D but certainly not "class-leading".

Something else to consider that didn't necessary exist a few years ago is now we have a market flooded with tons of awesome used camera equipment for dirt cheap. I mean, the 40D was $1600 new and now you can get bodies for $250-$300. It's a powerhouse of a camera and still takes fantastic images. It's getting harder and harder for the companies to "impress" the people with REAL usable features. There will always be the useless features that look good on paper but I'm not too concerned with those. Not to mention the fact that DSLR's are still expensive and not everyone has a grand laying around to just buy new equipment each time a new body comes out.

One more thing is that not everyone shoots video, I don't. My 7D takes video and I have never taken a video with it. I am a still shooter so I don't look at DSLR's from a video point of view and I am sure there are plenty of people out there who feel the same way as I do. I think Canon is starting to forget that people still take still photos. Seems like more attention is being placed on video features than photography features. From a still photography point of view, just about all of the APS-C bodies from Canon over the past 3-4 years have been pretty much the same, just my opinion...

I always figured that when they released the T5i (at 5fps) they would integrate the xD line into the xxD line. Well, the 70D came out and I suppose with 2 entry level cameras under the Rebel line, it is still possible, but I thought they would get rid of the xxD in favor of a 7D replacement rather than the other way around. The fact that Canon has been mum on any news regarding any kind of 7D replacement adding to the V2.0 firmware update unlocking many new cool features to the 7D makes me wonder if they will even go down that road. Again, Nikon does not have a "7D" and they may feel the D7100 is sufficient enough competition to the 7D that they don't need to make a higher performance crop sensor body. The 70D is pretty close to the 7D in terms of features that I believe that a lot of people will buy the 70D on the fact alone that it is simply a newer camera body than the 7D.

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Re: Canon DSLR Announcement in March? [CR1]
« Reply #44 on: February 20, 2014, 09:56:53 PM »