Off Brand: Nikon Announces the D4S

[mackguyver]

To those who say "Canon is not innovative," can now boast of Nikon innovation with ISO 409600. I do not know what use it but the marketing arrange one.

That's what caught my eye, too, and as someone who uses ISO 102400 on my 5DIII all the time, I might have to sell all of my Canon gear to get the D4S.  I think it will really help with my upcoming series - Coal Mines by Matchlight.  If I accidentally run into some methane, this might be my last post

[tiger82]

That's what caught my eye, too, and as someone who uses ISO 102400 on my 5DIII all the time, I might have to sell all of my Canon gear to get the D4S.  I think it will really help with my upcoming series - Coal Mines by Matchlight.  If I accidentally run into some methane, this might be my last post

I thought you were doing A Bat's Eye View series

[Maximilian]

To those who say "Canon is not innovative," can now boast of Nikon innovation with ISO 409600. I do not know what use it but the marketing arrange one.

What's the use of ISO 409600 when you can't AF at the light conditions (call it darkness) you want to use that ISO in?
And I don't believe that MF is possible there either, except you have a cat's eyes.
 

[bseitz234]

I thought you were doing A Bat's Eye View series

That's what caught my eye, too, and as someone who uses ISO 102400 on my 5DIII all the time, I might have to sell all of my Canon gear to get the D4S.  I think it will really help with my upcoming series - Coal Mines by Matchlight.  If I accidentally run into some methane, this might be my last post

Both of these posts made my day, and it's not even noon yet. going to be a good day...

[Maximilian]

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Let's see if DxO can make some 16 steps of DR out of that 
(No, I won't take any bets on that)

[Northstar]

To those who say "Canon is not innovative," can now boast of Nikon innovation with ISO 409600. I do not know what use it but the marketing arrange one.

That's what caught my eye, too, and as someone who uses ISO 102400 on my 5DIII all the time, I might have to sell all of my Canon gear to get the D4S.  I think it will really help with my upcoming series - Coal Mines by Matchlight.  If I accidentally run into some methane, this might be my last post

lol

[bdeutsch]

I thought you were doing A Bat's Eye View series

That's what caught my eye, too, and as someone who uses ISO 102400 on my 5DIII all the time, I might have to sell all of my Canon gear to get the D4S.  I think it will really help with my upcoming series - Coal Mines by Matchlight.  If I accidentally run into some methane, this might be my last post

Both of these posts made my day, and it's not even noon yet. going to be a good day...

I agree ... who knew someone could actually be funny in a forum post?!  (Particularly in another Canon vs. Nikon thread.) 

Thanks! 

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[Famateur]

That's what caught my eye, too, and as someone who uses ISO 102400 on my 5DIII all the time, I might have to sell all of my Canon gear to get the D4S.  I think it will really help with my upcoming series - Coal Mines by Matchlight.  If I accidentally run into some methane, this might be my last post

I thought you were doing A Bat's Eye View series

LOL...I see a new gallery thread for showing off super high ISO: BIF - Bats In Flight 

"What, noise? No, that's the swarm of bugs the bats are feeding on..." 

[Rienzphotoz]

If I'm not wrong, Nikon is the only company that went back on their Megapixel count in their flagship cameras and went nuts on increasing MP count on their "second best" cameras.

In the year 2008
Nikon released a 24.4 Megapixel Full Frame D3X Camera (at that time it was their flagship camera)
While their second best camera D700 only had 12.1 Megapixel

In the year 2012
Nikon decreased the megapixel count on their flagship camera D4 (replacing D3X) by over 65% to only 16.2 MP.
But their "second best" camera D800 (replacing the D700) got a 300% increase to a whopping 36 MP

During this period, (after all this crazy increase/decrease business), they screwed up their flagship speedlite SB900 and "third best" DSLR D600.

As much as I like using some of their products, their logic baffles me ... so I stayed away from their 36 Megapixel business and bought the D610 instead.

After having used a few brands, I feel the Canon 5D MK III is the most balanced camera of any manufacturer ... for me it is the PERFECT all rounder DSLR.



 

[ajfotofilmagem]

I seem to be in the minority of people who still get excited by increasing maximum ISO speeds. But can someone explain, why/how is it possible that the difference between maximum base ISO (25600) and extended is 4 stops, whereas in Canon cameras (the 1DX/5D3 at least) it is just 2? Does it make a practical difference? Is it just another means of notating it? In my experience (300D->50D->5D3) the highest usable ISO is 1 stop below maximum base ISO (depending on what you're using it for). So extra extended settings would be irrelevant. Is Nikon different?

The range of uses ISO standard real analog signal amplifiers in each stage (100, 200, 400, etc.). The expanded ISO range is the same as Photoshop / Lightroom just pulls exposure digitally generating artifacts and random noise difficult to clean.

I've heard conflicting reports on this - some people say digital amplification is sometimes used within the non-extended range. But if you're correct, there's no advantage to having 4 extended stops over 2, right?

Indeed 1DX Canon camera is the one that has individual analog amplifiers for the intermediate ISO (ISO 125, 160, 250, 320, etc.). In all others, the ISO intermediaries are also digitally pulled or pushed. So ISO 125 ​​on the 1DX has much cleaner image than ISO 125 ​​on 5D Mark iii, even at ISO 100 noise is the same for both cameras.

[pdirestajr]

All the talk about the Canon 1Dx vs the D4/s , and referring to one as "king" is just silly. These are cameras made for professionals that use their system of lenses. Talking about "Canon Camp" just sounds like geek fanboys with lots of disposable income that graduated from arguing over Marvel vs DC and Xbox vs Playstation.

[thepancakeman]

All the talk about the Canon 1Dx vs the D4/s , and referring to one as "king" is just silly. These are cameras made for professionals that use their system of lenses. Talking about "Canon Camp" just sounds like geek fanboys with lots of disposable income that graduated from arguing over Marvel vs DC and Xbox vs Playstation.

You're right, it's silly to argue, because clearly Canon, Marvel and Playstation are the best.   

[Rienzphotoz]

All the talk about the Canon 1Dx vs the D4/s , and referring to one as "king" is just silly. These are cameras made for professionals that use their system of lenses. Talking about "Canon Camp" just sounds like geek fanboys with lots of disposable income that graduated from arguing over Marvel vs DC and Xbox vs Playstation.

I always find it funny when people come up with words like "lots of disposable income" etc ... the "lots of disposable money" did not grow on trees, it is hard earned money that people spend on the gear they like ... nothing wrong if they "argue" about their gear of choice ... but reducing/comparing it to some "Marvel vs DC" comics shows little or no understanding of why like minded people come to forums such as CR ... if anything those kind of words show a lame/false attitude of "I'm better than everybody else".

[Maui5150]

I seem to be in the minority of people who still get excited by increasing maximum ISO speeds. But can someone explain, why/how is it possible that the difference between maximum base ISO (25600) and extended is 4 stops, whereas in Canon cameras (the 1DX/5D3 at least) it is just 2? Does it make a practical difference? Is it just another means of notating it? In my experience (300D->50D->5D3) the highest usable ISO is 1 stop below maximum base ISO (depending on what you're using it for). So extra extended settings would be irrelevant. Is Nikon different?

They could extend it 100 stops if they want.  Big question is... how useable / how noisy is it?

Just because the camera says it can do 409600 ISO does not mean you would be happy with it.  Until we see  what it looks like at these high ISO, only then can we judge what is useable. 

From what I have seen out of the 1Dx, some of the high ISO images are actually quite good. 

Would be interesting to see if the Nikon can capture anything close to this at 25600

[canon1dxman]

There's a £400 off special offer on the D1X from one UK retailer until Saturday. Nikon did this with the D4.....I wonder......?