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6D or 5Dm3?
« on: February 26, 2014, 09:50:48 AM »
Hi Everyone :D

Here is my question.
What do i purchase, the 6D or the 5DM3?

I've been using a 7D for the last 2 years and am now ready to go full frame. One of the reasons for this is because i shoot gigs and want to benefit from a lot less noise at high iso's.

My main concerns though are the price difference and the difference in auto focus.

I understand that the 6D is cheaper and has a great centre focus point which is great for low light. My main issue with that though is i dont like to focus and then recompose.

On the 7D with 19 foucs points (all cross-type) i always shoot with one focus point moving around the screen.

If im shooting in portait i usually stick the top point on the performers face. (far right in landscape)

Or sometimes if i want to get the full band in, i would again use one of the side focus points in landscape.

So i know that the 6D doesn't have cross type points on the outside, so would they work well enough in low light?
All anyone seems to talk about and test is the centre point.

I really dont want to upgrade model to then realise i've downgraded in features.


My other question is

I have spent the last 5 years using a Canon ef-s 10-22mm so going full-frame means I lose the ultra wide.
Now I might sound like a complete Biff here but how is this compared to my 24-70mm on a fullframe?
Is the 24mm end as wide as say 15mm on a crop using my 10-22?

Crop factor does confuse me

Anyway thanks for taking a look and if you can understand this waffle, please let me know what you think.

Thanks for looking

Matt

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6D or 5Dm3?
« on: February 26, 2014, 09:50:48 AM »

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Re: 6D or 5Dm3?
« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2014, 10:40:14 AM »
If you like everything about your 7D, you'll hate the 6D. The 5D3 is everything the 7D is but better.

I had a 10-22mm before making the switch and I replaced it with the 17-40L. It's not as distortion free like the 10-22mm but it's close enough.

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Re: 6D or 5Dm3?
« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2014, 10:48:59 AM »
The 5DIII would be a better choice for you than the 6D, given the parameters you've outlined. 

15mm on APS-C gives the same FoV as 24mm on FF, so if that's wide enough you don't need another lens.  If you need wider, the 17-40L or 16-35L II.  I went with the latter - the advantages are that it's sharper wide open and a stop faster if you shoot ultrawide in low light.  If you'll mainly use the ultra wide stopped down to f/8, the 17-40 is a good choice.
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Re: 6D or 5Dm3?
« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2014, 11:10:55 AM »
Thanks guys.

The reason i was also concerned about the wide angle coverage is because i hike a lot and take loads of photos of mountain scenery. I'm sure the equivalent 15mm (crop range) is good enough for a while.

I was considering a 6d and a 17-40L to cover my landscape efforts but the way I focus and the gig work has me leaning more to the 5DmIII.

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Re: 6D or 5Dm3?
« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2014, 12:55:43 PM »
I was considering a 6d and a 17-40L to cover my landscape efforts but the way I focus and the gig work has me leaning more to the 5DmIII.

For landscape it's fine, but completely forget about the 6d if you think about using the outer points and nail the af on a significant amount of shots, esp. with fast lenses.

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Re: 6D or 5Dm3?
« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2014, 06:34:09 PM »
Crop factor does confuse me

Hi Matt - If you're comparing APS-C to full-frame, such as 7D to 6D, you can always multiply the focal length of a lens by 1.6 to get the equivalent focal length when on a cropped sensor. Example: 15mm x 1.6 = 24mm. Good luck with your upgrade.

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Re: 6D or 5Dm3?
« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2014, 01:41:13 PM »
Hi Matt

I have the Canon 7d and the 6d, Ive also used the 5d MKIII at work. The simply answer is the 5d MKIII is the best match to the 7d for your concert photography, for sports and for wild life. The 6d is a great travel & landscape camera as its lighter, doesnt require 19 cross point AF but does benefit from Wi-Fi (great with the iPhone remote app.) and GPS. In Landscape I do a lot of manual focusing because I use NDs, ND grads and polarisers and I find I get sharper consistent results. The IQ between the two is virtually identical and the 6d is slightly better in low light where the centre cross point also works really well.
Lastly the cost is much greater for the 5d MKIII but it is built to last, has 50K better shutter count over the 6d and more comprehensive menu structure. I also prefer the jog wheel on the 5D MKIII which is like the 7d.
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Re: 6D or 5Dm3?
« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2014, 01:41:13 PM »

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Re: 6D or 5Dm3?
« Reply #7 on: February 28, 2014, 04:48:43 PM »
Given your needs, i think that the 5D3 is the best choice. I have a 6D, and i must admit that when using the outer points the AF is not quick: it usually takes a run across the whole focal range to achieve focus. It is clearly not suited for fast moving subjects. The central focus point is a whole different story it is very accurate, and, when coupled with lens that feature an ultrasonic focus motor, lightning fast. Coming from a 7D you might find it is a little lackluster.

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Re: 6D or 5Dm3?
« Reply #8 on: February 28, 2014, 05:48:15 PM »
Based on what you are saying, I would suggest the 5DIII over the 6D, even though it is more.

I have two of each, as I do concert photography and don't want to waste time changing lenses.  So I'm shooting side by side by side by side all the time. Frequently, there is not a great deal of difference between the 6Ds and the 5DIIIs, but there is the occasional show where the 5DIIIs autofocus fine and the 6Ds struggle, even set up the same and using fast lenses on all of them (f/1.2-f/2.8).

Based on that, and other things others here have already addressed, I would recommend the 5DIII if you are ever shooting in any challenging light.

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Re: 6D or 5Dm3?
« Reply #9 on: February 28, 2014, 05:58:43 PM »
Noticed you didn't mention price so I assume its not an object. I also have the 6D and love it, but think you would be better off with the 5DIII. I do use the GPS on the 6D for just about all shots, but I almost never use the WiFi. It did come in handy over ThanksGiving at my brother's how when he wanted the family pictures I had just taken. I downloaded them to my iPhone, uploaded them to DropBox, and just like that, he had them :-)
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Re: 6D or 5Dm3?
« Reply #10 on: February 28, 2014, 06:01:51 PM »
The 6D is a great low light camera, but at low light, it becomes a 1 point auto focus camera.  The outer points are basically useless for low light or contrast areas.  I figured it would be this way when I looked over the specs and have adapted to the cameras limitations.  I agree that the 5d3 would better suit you.  I'd love to own one, but I guess I really don't need the AF for what I'm shooting (would love to have it though :P)
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Re: 6D or 5Dm3?
« Reply #11 on: February 28, 2014, 08:45:13 PM »
I went from the 7D to the 5D3, mostly for shooting sports and events.  If you are accustomed to moving the focus point around or action is of a concern, you will love the 5D3.  After getting use to the benefits of the 7D's focusing system, the 6D may be a disappointment.  But, the 5D3 will be a real joy to work with.
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Re: 6D or 5Dm3?
« Reply #12 on: March 01, 2014, 12:33:58 AM »
Suggest you read why Dustin Abbott chose the 6D over the 5D3 here:

http://dustinabbott.net/2013/02/why-i-chose-a-canon-eos-6d-over-a-5d-mkiii/


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Re: 6D or 5Dm3?
« Reply #12 on: March 01, 2014, 12:33:58 AM »

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Re: 6D or 5Dm3?
« Reply #13 on: March 01, 2014, 12:37:02 AM »
You can also read Ken Rockwell's comparison here:

http://www.kenrockwell.com/canon/6d/vs-5d-mark-iii.htm

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Re: 6D or 5Dm3?
« Reply #14 on: March 01, 2014, 01:58:20 AM »
After 5 years using 10-22 and crop factor still confuses you...
In this case I'd definitely go with 5Dm3.
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Re: 6D or 5Dm3?
« Reply #14 on: March 01, 2014, 01:58:20 AM »