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Re: EOS 7D Mark II Announcement in Q2 of 2014 [CR1]
« Reply #30 on: February 28, 2014, 04:59:01 AM »
Although I have been waiting to upgrade from the T3i to the 7d Mark ii for the longest time, if Canon continues uninspiring body upgrades, here is what I am predicting:

18mp sensor  :o
70d af
20fps
1080p 60fps video recording
1 CF slot
a tad more weather sealing
Last but not least, the famous "Mark II" badge  :)

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Re: EOS 7D Mark II Announcement in Q2 of 2014 [CR1]
« Reply #30 on: February 28, 2014, 04:59:01 AM »

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« Reply #31 on: February 28, 2014, 05:00:13 AM »
I have a question :

With the new 7D Mark 2 on the horizon..... Nikon will launch the the illusive D400 or they will let Canon  reign supreme over the pro APS-C segment?? The Nikon line died with the D300s?

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« Reply #32 on: February 28, 2014, 05:23:42 AM »
Seeing as the D4s is coming with a 'new' 16 mp sensor, I'm going to be brave and guess the 7DII will also be 16 mp, aps class leading low light performance, very fast and no pop up flash. See you in the second quarter.
Please God hear our prayers. Only 16 megapixel camera with ISO 3200 without noise bothering, costing less than $ 2000.

I'd rather have 24, 32 or even 72MP.  More resolution and less noise that way.

That's a misconception. If you account for noise as a factor of total sensor area, it doesn't really matter how large or small your pixel are. The expectation is that you are downsampling any and all of those sensors to some common output size...i.e. the same magnification.

Otherwise, smaller pixels are always going to have more noise at the pixel level. Any technology you might apply to smaller pixels is applicable to larger pixels. Any potential technological gains you might have that allow smaller pixels are only going to make bigger pixels better. In no way can smaller pixels be less noisy than larger pixels. They may resolve more detail, but assuming Q.E. remains roughly the same, that detail WILL be noisier.


All else being equal, if you have 6 micron pixels and 3 micron pixels, the 3 micron pixels are going to have 1/4 the FWC. A 6 micron pixel might have 60,000e- max charge at ISO 100, where as a 3 micron pixel is going to have 15,000e- max charge. Since noise is the square root of the signal, you have 244e- noise with 6 micron pixels, and 122e- noise with 3 micron pixels. In other words, you have a 244:1 SNR with 6 micron pixels, and a 122:1 SNR with 3 micron pixels.

The only way to make those smaller pixels equal to the larger pixels is to downsample by a factor of two.

What's the problem with having a high resolution sensor that allows detailed images at low ISO and then downsampling to reduce noise when you need to used higher ISOs?

I'm asking because you seem to know your stuff and I'd like to get this cleared up once and for all!

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« Reply #33 on: February 28, 2014, 05:32:13 AM »
People seem to be suggesting (not just on this forum) that Canon are scratching their heads over the potential specifications of a 7D Mk II. I'd have thought that it was pretty obvious -an APS-C sensor version of the 5D Mk III with a higher frame rate (i.e. 8-12fps).

The elephant in the room is whether the 20MP sensor from the 70D is good enough for their "flagship APS-C camera" or whether Canon are waiting to launch a new generation of sensors in the 7D Mk II. The more time passes from the 70D's introduction, the more likely I think the 7D Mk II will be the launch vehicle for the new generation of sensor; I would therefore expect any announcement to be just prior to Photokina. [Sod's law they will announce it next month and make this prediction wrong!  ::)]

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« Reply #34 on: February 28, 2014, 05:39:50 AM »
People seem to be suggesting (not just on this forum) that Canon are scratching their heads over the potential specifications of a 7D Mk II. I'd have thought that it was pretty obvious -an APS-C sensor version of the 5D Mk III with a higher frame rate (i.e. 8-12fps).

The elephant in the room is whether the 20MP sensor from the 70D is good enough for their "flagship APS-C camera" or whether Canon are waiting to launch a new generation of sensors in the 7D Mk II. The more time passes from the 70D's introduction, the more likely I think the 7D Mk II will be the launch vehicle for the new generation of sensor; I would therefore expect any announcement to be just prior to Photokina. [Sod's law they will announce it next month and make this prediction wrong!  ::)]

Purely speculation but I would imagine one of Canon's biggest concerns is a new 7D Mark II potentially eating into 1D X and the big white market. They need to make it attractive enough, but not so attractive to take away any of the market from their flagship body and lenses.
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« Reply #35 on: February 28, 2014, 06:36:28 AM »
The Canon 7D Mark II will come out just after the Nikon D400 comes out ....... ;D

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« Reply #36 on: February 28, 2014, 07:02:11 AM »
After all this time, I would expect the 7Dmkii to be a vehicle to introduce new sensor technology to the market.  It's the only reasonable explinatin I can think of for the time that has ellapsed between the 7D's release and now.  I'd almost say that Canon has to release a body with a drastic change in sensor technology, if they are going to compete with Sony and Nikon. 


If they just slap some derivative of the 70D's sensor in the 7Dmkii, I think a lot of people are going to ditch their Canon bodies.

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« Reply #37 on: February 28, 2014, 07:06:11 AM »
We’re waiting for the usual sources to speak up, which would happen soon if the Q2 announcement rumors are true.
So am I ... this has been a long wait ... hope the MK II lives up to its hype and expectations.
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« Reply #38 on: February 28, 2014, 07:37:29 AM »
Honestly... I vote that this should be the last cr1 released on this body.  These are no longer becoming speculative rumor, but rather redundant and laughable.  (I think we were there 12 months ago...)  Dig in deep CR... find a cr2!

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Re: EOS 7D Mark II Announcement in Q2 of 2014 [CR1]
« Reply #39 on: February 28, 2014, 07:39:11 AM »
Seeing as the D4s is coming with a 'new' 16 mp sensor, I'm going to be brave and guess the 7DII will also be 16 mp, aps class leading low light performance, very fast and no pop up flash. See you in the second quarter.
Please God hear our prayers. Only 16 megapixel camera with ISO 3200 without noise bothering, costing less than $ 2000.
I'd rather have 24, 32 or even 72MP.  More resolution and less noise that way.
24, 32 or even 72 megapixel in APS-C sensor? ::) Why bother if already available Nokia Lumia 1020 with 42 megapixel? :P Which lenses can truly "see" 72 megapixel resolution in APS-C sensor? ??? ??? ??? Maybe Zeiss Otus stoped down 4 stops? :o
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Re: EOS 7D Mark II Announcement in Q2 of 2014 [CR1]
« Reply #40 on: February 28, 2014, 08:52:31 AM »
Hurry up already, Canon!!  I may have to break down and just get the 1DX if you don't  ;)
Joking aside, my 7d is feeling older and older the more I shoot with the 5d3.  I like the combo (7d,5d3), but... that 1DX rental has me craving something new.

I'm still using a 20D... I really want this camera, like yesterday.  Seriously though.  I hope that this camera is every bit the camera the original was when it is introduced.  I hope that Canon doesn't screw around with this.  If they do, I'll be going Fuji

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« Reply #41 on: February 28, 2014, 09:56:44 AM »
As a current 7D owner, I'd need to see a few things to upgrade:

1. 16mp sensor with minimal AA filter. If they cram more mega pixels into the same sized sensor, I'm just not interested.
2. Improved low ISO noise levels and dynamic range
3. 10 FPS
4. A focus system based on the 5D III
5. Dual SD slots (or CF, either one)
6. Flip out screen
7. 70D movie capabilities
8. MF adjust on the wide and long focal lengths
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« Reply #42 on: February 28, 2014, 10:01:32 AM »
As a current 7D owner, I'd need to see a few things to upgrade:

1. 16mp sensor with minimal AA filter. If they cram more mega pixels into the same sized sensor, I'm jut not interested.
2. Improved low ISO noise levels and dynamic range
3. 10 FPS
4. A focus system based on the 5D III
5. Dual SD slots (or CF, either one)
6. Flip out screen
7. 70D movie capabilities
8. MF adjust on the wide and long focal lengths

I think you're likely to see 3, 4 (at least partly), 7 and 8.  The 7D II will have more MP than the 7D, at least 20 MP, possibly 24 MP. 
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« Reply #42 on: February 28, 2014, 10:01:32 AM »

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« Reply #43 on: February 28, 2014, 10:11:55 AM »
As a current 7D owner, I'd need to see a few things to upgrade:

1. 16mp sensor with minimal AA filter. If they cram more mega pixels into the same sized sensor, I'm jut not interested.
2. Improved low ISO noise levels and dynamic range
3. 10 FPS
4. A focus system based on the 5D III
5. Dual SD slots (or CF, either one)
6. Flip out screen
7. 70D movie capabilities
8. MF adjust on the wide and long focal lengths

I think you're likely to see 3, 4 (at least partly), 7 and 8.  The 7D II will have more MP than the 7D, at least 20 MP, possibly 24 MP.
I hope they manage 2 as well... and avoid 5 unless they do dual CF, which I doubt.  Canon's surprised us before with their lack of innovation, though, so I guess it wouldn't be a huge surprise for the 7D2 to have very little ISO improvements.
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« Reply #44 on: February 28, 2014, 10:25:12 AM »
Canon's surprised us before with their lack of innovation, though, so I guess it wouldn't be a huge surprise for the 7D2 to have very little ISO improvements.

That's true if you define innovation solely as improvement in low ISO DR.  Most people have a broader definition of innovation...
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