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What will be Canon's approach to the second line of Speedlite flashes?

Stick with 430EX II and have the single RT-enabled flash, 600EX-RT
7 (29.2%)
Bring out an RT-enabled replacement for the 430EX II
17 (70.8%)
Bring out a non-RT enabled replacement for the 430EX II
0 (0%)
Other
0 (0%)

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Voting closed: March 14, 2014, 04:51:14 PM

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Re: RT-enabled 430EX II replacement
« Reply #15 on: March 14, 2014, 04:30:45 PM »
I think the Canon 600EX RT great, but too big and heavy (and expensive).

I tend to agree with "expensive", though often there are Canon rebate programs and even without them the 600rt is as expensive as Nikon's flagship with added 3rd party radio triggers.

However, after some time I have come to value the 600rt system - if you use light modifiers and/or shoot in bright outdoors with hss, big and heavy is the least concern if the flash "just works". Remember it might be big, but it doesn't need the clutter of an added receiver - and the 200mm zoom lets you concentrate the light more effectively where you want it also w/o an added modifier.

I'm going to sell my 430ex2, it's really nice to carry less weight esp. on a bracket, but except for bounce in small rooms it's just too weak.

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Re: RT-enabled 430EX II replacement
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Re: RT-enabled 430EX II replacement
« Reply #16 on: March 14, 2014, 04:56:41 PM »
I think the Canon 600EX RT great, but too big and heavy (and expensive).


I tend to agree with "expensive", though often there are Canon rebate programs and even without them the 600rt is as expensive as Nikon's flagship with added 3rd party radio triggers.

However, after some time I have come to value the 600rt system - if you use light modifiers and/or shoot in bright outdoors with hss, big and heavy is the least concern if the flash "just works". Remember it might be big, but it doesn't need the clutter of an added receiver - and the 200mm zoom lets you concentrate the light more effectively where you want it also w/o an added modifier.

I'm going to sell my 430ex2, it's really nice to carry less weight esp. on a bracket, but except for bounce in small rooms it's just too weak.


Nikon SB 910 street price today $546.95 http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/832699-USA/Nikon_4809_SB_910_AF_Speedlight_i_TTL.html

Canon 600-EX-RT street price today $449.00 http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productDetail&A=cart&Q=add

Nikon no radio, Canon radio included. THE 600-EX-RT IS NOT OVERPRICED; when compared to the competition it is cheap!
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Re: RT-enabled 430EX II replacement
« Reply #17 on: March 14, 2014, 05:13:54 PM »
I think the Canon 600EX RT great, but too big and heavy (and expensive).


I tend to agree with "expensive", though often there are Canon rebate programs and even without them the 600rt is as expensive as Nikon's flagship with added 3rd party radio triggers.

However, after some time I have come to value the 600rt system - if you use light modifiers and/or shoot in bright outdoors with hss, big and heavy is the least concern if the flash "just works". Remember it might be big, but it doesn't need the clutter of an added receiver - and the 200mm zoom lets you concentrate the light more effectively where you want it also w/o an added modifier.

I'm going to sell my 430ex2, it's really nice to carry less weight esp. on a bracket, but except for bounce in small rooms it's just too weak.


Nikon SB 910 street price today $546.95 http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/832699-USA/Nikon_4809_SB_910_AF_Speedlight_i_TTL.html

Canon 600-EX-RT street price today $449.00 http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productDetail&A=cart&Q=add

Nikon no radio, Canon radio included. THE 600-EX-RT IS NOT OVERPRICED; when compared to the competition it is cheap!


That's U.S. pricing. I imagine Marsu would like to be able to pay U.S. prices rather than Euros.
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Re: RT-enabled 430EX II replacement
« Reply #18 on: March 14, 2014, 05:21:43 PM »
I didn't get in on the poll, but really don't have a clue what Canon is going to do, anyway. Depending on one's needs and point of view, you could make an argument for any of the options (hopeful outcomes).

I really like the 600 RT system, and am very happy that I bought 4 of them nearly 2 years ago, even though they were going for almost $600 a pop. The radio triggering and new menu system in the 600s are golden. I sold my 3 580 II's for more than I paid for them, and a 420 for $30 less than my purchase price.

When I'm using flash, I want all the options I can get, and don't want any compromises. That's why I bought all 600's and no ST-E3-RTs ... the savings in size and weight didn't make up for the loss of AF assist.
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Re: RT-enabled 430EX II replacement
« Reply #19 on: March 14, 2014, 09:24:31 PM »
The 600-EX-RT is both very nice (it is great to have the added functions over the 430EX II, and I haven't even used the RT functions- have just one) and reasonably priced. But I miss the size and weight of the 430.
I understand if they bring out a 450-EX-RT it will probably not be much cheaper than the 600, and will probably not be worth the trade-off in functions- but it will be lighter and smaller, and than can be tempting.
As I am moving into off-camera flash more, I am trying to decide whether to buy a 600 now or 450 later (rather buy a 600 now anyway, and then decide whether to sell it for a 450 if that ever comes).
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Re: RT-enabled 430EX II replacement
« Reply #20 on: March 15, 2014, 01:12:03 AM »
Canon will eventually release it and it will sell like hotcakes.
By this point, I somehow doubt that. Yn will have their clone 600ex flashes out by then...
While I don't own 430EXII, preferring my pair of 580EXII for greater output and facility for an external power source, I see the 430EXII as an ideal flash for most people with relatively modest needs. Which is most people. Not anyone at CR of course! It's small, light, reliable and less expensive, with the cache of perceived Genuine Canon seal of quality.

The reality is that the greatest majority of Canon shooters will have never heard of Yongnuo, let alone trust a non-Canon product. Those "in the know" will see no issues with a Yongnuo purchase and probably do so with a practical knowledge of any genuine shortcomings (if any) compared to the Canon original.

The current 430EXII will continue to sell in large numbers probably for years, I suspect it outsells the 600EX-RT. A 430 EX-RT would certainly be a successful product for Canon, but I wouldn't be holding my breath waiting for an announcement.

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Re: RT-enabled 430EX II replacement
« Reply #21 on: March 15, 2014, 03:22:22 AM »
Canon RT system is a brilliant and highly useful innovation for anyone ever using wireless flash. Unfortunately they chose to bring it in in the most limited manner only. 1 flagship speedlite, 1 controller - everything reliably working but with some (unnecessary) functional limitations. Priced at canon prices. An "affordable investment" for pros earning money with it and for well-heeled enthusiasts. BUT a fairly steep hurdle for all other Canon users.

I am convinced Canon would gain a lot by also introducing not only a sensibly-priced 430EX-RT but also a TX-RT transceiver that would allow to also include 580EX II / 430 EX II (possibly also mk 1) speedlites in a radio wireless setup. Ideally also select studio strobes where makers cooperate with Canon. Use of other third party ettl speedlites could be inhibited via some chip in such a canon RT transceiver.

By now, it would not hurt 600EX sales that much, since many who want and need them have purchased already. But it would go a long ways to make the Canon ecosystem even more useful and attractive to all existing users and to potential new clients. At least to everyone considering using wireless flash setups.

It would really be win/win for both Canon and their customers. They qould sell a ton of 430RTs and RT transceivers ... at very healthy margins. :-)





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Re: RT-enabled 430EX II replacement
« Reply #21 on: March 15, 2014, 03:22:22 AM »

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Re: RT-enabled 430EX II replacement
« Reply #22 on: March 15, 2014, 04:03:12 AM »
By now, it would not hurt 600EX sales that much, since many who want and need them have purchased already.

I doubt it because many people will have held back purchaising *more* 600rt because of the price and the expected 430ex successor - once the price drops a bit and there's no telling when and if a little brother will arrive, many people will "bite the bullet". I know I did.

The current 430EXII will continue to sell in large numbers probably for years, I suspect it outsells the 600EX-RT.

And there's a reason for this - people buying a 430ex2 like I did back than use it on camera for direct flash or bounce, so weight and size matters. Once you get the flashes off camera which is the whole point of  the rt system, these factors don't matter that much anymore, but power and recycling time do - so the advantage of a little rt unit is diminishing to the targeted users, at least for me.

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Re: RT-enabled 430EX II replacement
« Reply #23 on: March 15, 2014, 10:24:15 AM »
And there's a reason for this - people buying a 430ex2 like I did back than use it on camera for direct flash or bounce, so weight and size matters. Once you get the flashes off camera which is the whole point of  the rt system, these factors don't matter that much anymore, but power and recycling time do - so the advantage of a little rt unit is diminishing to the targeted users, at least for me.
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Personally, I wouldn't be interested in a RT version of the 430EXII.  I currently have 2 600EX-RT's and 1 430EXII.  I use the 430 on-camera any time I plan to bounce or use direct fill flash since its smaller and lighter.  I plan to buy another 600 or two to expand my RT flash capabilities, but will continue to use the 430 on-camera.
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Re: RT-enabled 430EX II replacement
« Reply #24 on: March 15, 2014, 10:25:28 AM »
And there's a reason for this - people buying a 430ex2 like I did back than use it on camera for direct flash or bounce, so weight and size matters. Once you get the flashes off camera which is the whole point of  the rt system, these factors don't matter that much anymore, but power and recycling time do - so the advantage of a little rt unit is diminishing to the targeted users, at least for me.
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Personally, I wouldn't be interested in a RT version of the 430EXII.  I currently have 2 600EX-RT's and 1 430EXII.  I use the 430 on-camera any time I plan to bounce or use direct fill flash since its smaller and lighter.  I plan to buy another 600 or two to expand my RT flash capabilities, but will continue to use the 430 on-camera when I plan to just use a single flash.
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Re: RT-enabled 430EX II replacement
« Reply #25 on: March 15, 2014, 10:34:24 AM »

I am convinced Canon would gain a lot by also introducing not only a sensibly-priced 430EX-RT but also a TX-RT transceiver that would allow to also include 580EX II / 430 EX II (possibly also mk 1) speedlites in a radio wireless setup. Ideally also select studio strobes where makers cooperate with Canon. Use of other third party ettl speedlites could be inhibited via some chip in such a canon RT transceiver.


I'm not sure about that one. Going backwards. RT is the future and besides as business I would not want to sell my customers something so they can keep using older technology. I would want to sell them new toys. Just look at the computer and cell phone industry.     
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