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Re: Lens Announcement [CR1]
« Reply #30 on: October 26, 2011, 03:44:45 PM »
If Canon release a 5D 3, 35L II and a 24-70 II then I'm going to be seriously broke!

Do you really need to buy all of he new things that come out?

I convince myself that I need the things I want.  It's a personal failing but one that I enjoy from time to time.

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« Reply #31 on: October 26, 2011, 03:52:57 PM »
The 35mm f1.4L does need an update. There are a ton of lenses I'd rather see updated but the 35mm has some terrible color fringing (at least my rented copy did).

I've never had an issue with CA or other types of 'fringing' on my 35L.  The only issues that I see with the 35L are a bit of corner softness and the lack of weather sealing.  I do hope it gets a MkII update, especially for the weather sealing.  I think it's due - as I've pointed out before, every L-series prime of 100mm or less, except the 35L, has been either updated or newly released in the last 5 years.
There are some CA, but nothing terrible. Do you think it is possible that Canon would make f/1.2 version instead of f/1.4 MkII?
Any thoughts about 135mm f/1.8L ? (even Sony has one  :) )
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Re: Lens Announcement [CR1]
« Reply #32 on: October 26, 2011, 04:44:49 PM »
There are some CA, but nothing terrible. Do you think it is possible that Canon would make f/1.2 version instead of f/1.4 MkII?  Any thoughts about 135mm f/1.8L ? (even Sony has one  :) )

Controversial perhaps, but I'm not expecting the entry level primes nor the slower selling L primes being updated ever.  The quality of zooms has improved to a level approaching many L lenses, times have moved on with digital tech to push the ISO performance to greater levels than ever...   In all seriousness, how much better is a 135mm f2 than a 70-200mm f2.8 IS II when considering the flexibility of the zoom.

What primes sell well ? I don't know for sure, but pop a circa 1995 entry level film camera with a cheaper f1.4-1.8 prime against a modern entry level digital with a modern zoom and better ISO and I suspect most users would shrug their shoulders and say can't tell the difference, which leads into the next gen zoom and sensor tech...   Why have dozens of zooms and primes that overlap, surely that's bad for getting production costs down...  Yeah sure, some primes are special, which is why canon can charge small car prices for them.

My feeling is that over the nex 10 years we shall see the lens range order into entry and midrange EF-S zooms, a f2.8/4.0 L range, plus a few select primes that sell well and a few specialist superteles, tilts and macros.  I fear the EF non L prime is dead and will slowly disappear, the the current range of L primes will start reducing in range choice and that we may also see a merge of some specialised lenses...  100-180mm zoom macro ?  45-90mm zoom tilt shift ?  24-35mm L f1.4 zoom ?  50-85mm f1.4 L zoom ?  Does anyone really need f1.2 DOF ?
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Re: Lens Announcement [CR1]
« Reply #33 on: October 26, 2011, 06:47:44 PM »
If Canon release a 5D 3, 35L II and a 24-70 II then I'm going to be seriously broke!

Do you really need to buy all of he new things that come out?

I convince myself that I need the things I want.  It's a personal failing but one that I enjoy from time to time.

Exactly.  Nobody ever says I'm happy with what I've got and I don't want any more.

It's the reason we all are where we are now, because of our drive to do better (even if that means buying better things)

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« Reply #34 on: October 26, 2011, 07:21:19 PM »
  It figures, I JUST BOUGHT A 24-70 f/2.8L TWO WEEKS AGO!!!  >:(

 

No worries, I just got one about 5-6 months ago. I'm extremely pleased with it. I could see it getting an update because it's fairly old but there is nothing really wrong with the Mk I. Enjoy it, it is a great lens.

I'm in the same boat (the 3 to 4 month timeframe). Unless the new one is amazing in some unexpected way I don't forsee upgrading. I mean sometimes the new lens is pure win - the 70-200 2.8L IS2 was a big upgrade. So it's possible.  It also depends on how expensive it is. If they do add IS it's a huge upgrade...and we'll pay for it.

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« Reply #35 on: October 26, 2011, 08:45:38 PM »
I'm not expecting the entry level primes nor the slower selling L primes being updated ever.  The quality of zooms has improved to a level approaching many L lenses, times have moved on with digital tech to push the ISO performance to greater levels than ever...   In all seriousness, how much better is a 135mm f2 than a 70-200mm f2.8 IS II when considering the flexibility of the zoom.

What primes sell well? 

Does anyone really need f1.2 DOF ?

I agree on the entry level primes. But would you call the 85L a fast selling lens? It was updated on 2006. Since then, every other L prime at 100mm and under - except the 35L - has been updated or is a new release. I'm pretty sure we'll see a 35L II at some point.

The 70-200/2.8L IS II is an amazing and versatile lens, and it's my second most used lens on my 5DII.  But, my 135/2L is better - and also the only option - when I need f/2 for either the background blur or the extra stop of shutter speed.

I do frequently shoot at f/1.2 on my 85/1.2L II. 
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Re: Lens Announcement [CR1]
« Reply #36 on: October 27, 2011, 05:57:03 AM »
There are some CA, but nothing terrible. Do you think it is possible that Canon would make f/1.2 version instead of f/1.4 MkII?  Any thoughts about 135mm f/1.8L ? (even Sony has one  :) )

Controversial perhaps, but I'm not expecting the entry level primes nor the slower selling L primes being updated ever.  The quality of zooms has improved to a level approaching many L lenses, times have moved on with digital tech to push the ISO performance to greater levels than ever...   In all seriousness, how much better is a 135mm f2 than a 70-200mm f2.8 IS II when considering the flexibility of the zoom.
So, you like zooms, but you can't really compare them with primes. They are different animals. The main advantage of the prime lens is it's wide aperture. You can't compensate it with IS or high ISO numbers, because those are just for exposure manipulation. Besides, some new crop bodies can be set to ISO12800 or even 25600 but the usable limit is the same old ISO3200.

What primes sell well ? I don't know for sure, but pop a circa 1995 entry level film camera with a cheaper f1.4-1.8 prime against a modern entry level digital with a modern zoom and better ISO and I suspect most users would shrug their shoulders and say can't tell the difference, which leads into the next gen zoom and sensor tech...   Why have dozens of zooms and primes that overlap, surely that's bad for getting production costs down...  Yeah sure, some primes are special, which is why canon can charge small car prices for them.
You already answered your own question here. Primes are for those who actually see the difference. If you don't - buy a zoom. Or, maybe you need the zoom flexibility for the job. Most professionals are mainly using zoom lenses, because they need to work fast and there is no time for lens swapping. Some are using primes only and there are 5 L primes and 3 5D2 bodies in their bag. Nothing is wrong with that.
It's your choice.

My feeling is that over the nex 10 years we shall see the lens range order into entry and midrange EF-S zooms, a f2.8/4.0 L range, plus a few select primes that sell well and a few specialist superteles, tilts and macros.  I fear the EF non L prime is dead and will slowly disappear, the the current range of L primes will start reducing in range choice and that we may also see a merge of some specialised lenses...  100-180mm zoom macro ?  45-90mm zoom tilt shift ?  24-35mm L f1.4 zoom ?  50-85mm f1.4 L zoom ?  Does anyone really need f1.2 DOF ?
I agree that in the future there will be only L and EF-S lenses. Some of the non-L primes should be updated with EF-S primes (like EF-S 28/1.8USM). However, reducing the L prime range is an absolute nonsense to me :D. I doubt that you would want to buy a f/1.4 zoom, because it would be too big, too heavy, too expensive and the IQ would be not so good.
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Re: Lens Announcement [CR1]
« Reply #36 on: October 27, 2011, 05:57:03 AM »